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October 26, 2012 11:54:33 PM


Approximate Purchase Date: Probably Christmas Time

Budget Range: Prefer $600, don't mind going a little over

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming, YouTube, web browsing etc.

Are you buying a monitor: No



Parts to Upgrade: all except PSU and DVD drive.

Do you need to buy OS: Yes


Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Pc Part picker: cheapest websites

Location: City, State/Region, Country - Anchorage, Alaska, no micro centers near me.

Parts Preferences: intel, cheap but reliable parts

Overclocking: No

SLI or Crossfire: Don't know what this is.

Your Monitor Resolution: 1360x768 hdmi

Additional Comments: I already own a DVD burner and a power supply.
My current PSU: www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681717001...

And Most Importantly, Why upgrade: current computer cannot handle WoW or diablo 3 on min settings, time for an upgrade.
Games I would want to play: WoW, D3,DayZ,lfd. Not to worried about running crysis2 or BF3 on ultra settings.

More about : budget build 600

October 27, 2012 12:00:19 AM

Friend also gave me a radeon hd 5570 1gb ddr3, I didn't think that GPU was any good but is it?
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October 27, 2012 1:47:10 AM

Gpu isn't all that great. this one is much better.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($139.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI 970A-G46 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($69.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Pareema 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($31.89 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung Spinpoint F3 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.86 @ Compuvest)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7850 1GB Video Card ($167.55 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master Elite 431 Plus (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($91.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $596.26
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
Sorry posted wrong build!
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October 27, 2012 3:05:21 AM

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^lol? Trash build is trash no offense buddy.

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/lxBC
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/lxBC/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/lxBC/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i3-3220 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor ($119.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock H77M Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($25.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card ($179.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Rosewill REDBONE ATX Mid Tower Case ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Antec EarthWatts Green 650W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($91.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $617.92

Feel free to downgrade the video card the a 7770. The 7770 will MAX any game at the res you are playing at (including metro and bf3 multiplayer), however included a nicer card incase you decide to upgrade to 1080 ( 7770 will still MAX MOST but not ALL at that res) and to give you a little bit more staying power (it fits within your budget after all).

Also, no offense meant here, your current PSU is a piece of garbage so you will want to be upgrading that. You might be able to get by with it but it is a ticking time bomb.

Omg thanks for replying I actually posted the wrong build xD - But this looks pretty similar to the one I was putting together lol.
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October 27, 2012 4:00:13 AM

^ You shouldn't be apologizing. The i3 3220 is worse than the FX-6300 and your build was well within the OPs budget quite honestly. At this price point an AMD build would be better, specially since Piledriver has Steamroller as an upgrade which will be the same socket. AMD also provides a more well rounded budget build, great mutli-threading and decent frames.
http://www.techspot.com/review/586-amd-fx-8350-fx-6300/...

Applications:
http://www.techspot.com/review/586-amd-fx-8350-fx-6300/...
http://www.techspot.com/review/586-amd-fx-8350-fx-6300/...
http://www.techspot.com/review/586-amd-fx-8350-fx-6300/...

In applications, the 6300 straight destroys the i3 3220, the FPS benchmarks has the 6300 close enough where you wouldn't even notice the difference though.

Add a PSU to Milkshakez build and it's solid:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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October 27, 2012 4:09:50 AM

For gaming the AMD FX 4300 makes as much sense and is a little cheaper than the 6300
It will also outperform the best of intels dual core processors .

FX 4300
Asrock 970 Extreme 4 motherboard
2 x4 gig of 1600 Mhz DDR3 rated for 1.5 volts or less


would be the core of any under $600 system for best bang for buck ATM

At that resolution a 7850 radeon is not required . A 7770 would be fine .

Then you could use a 4- 500 watt psu . Possibly the Corsair CX 430

That might give you enough left in the budget to include a 120 gig SSD . Even if its not a top end unit it will make your computer much snappier

The Antec ONE case is good quality and the price is right . It even has front USB 3 ports which most other budget cases dont include

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October 27, 2012 4:15:11 AM

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^except hes GAMING and the 6300 gets straight DESTROYED by the i3 in that regard (the 6300 is a pretty terrible gaming cpu). Yes you could upgrade to Piledriver but guess what buddy i5/i7 ivybridge eats piledriver for BREAKFAST LUNCH AND DINNER.

Go back to maintaining your crap blog and leave the advice giving to those who actually have a clue. kthnx broski ;D



Please dont be offended , but you have no idea what you are talking about

The intel shines in old DX9 games because the game engines cant multithread . If you wanted to build for yesterdays games then its an OK choice

But when you play DX 10 or 11 games the AMD's are not going to slow you down , and with mild OCing you can kick the intels butt . In multiplayer online gaming the AMD just gets better since it has the resources to handle the extra data .

And since you are getting everything wrong : the 6300 IS A PILEDRIVER cpu

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October 27, 2012 4:17:52 AM

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Why dont you back your AMD fanboyism up? Give us some links to prove what you are saying. The i3 will *** all over the fx 4100 in gaming (believe it or not im actually a huge amd fanboy myself im just more realist about the current environment than you are).



no problem pothead
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-4170-core-i3-322...
Thats a 4170 compared to the intel

The 4300 is faster than the 4170 by 6 - 15 % , and the margins swing more in favor of AMD

and he results speak for themselves . The AMD is generally faster in applications
slower in old DX9 games
and almost identical in DX 10 and 11

Add in that you have an upgrade path for another generation at least the AMD is much better value than the intel that will be obsolete in a few months
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October 27, 2012 4:21:44 AM

Jrgong, stop being so ignorant.

I provided you gaming benchmarks, stop pulling up Bulldozer benchmarks, those don't even accurately reflect Piledriver.
Gaming
http://www.techspot.com/review/586-amd-fx-8350-fx-6300/...

Applications:
http://www.techspot.com/review/586-amd-fx-8350-fx-6300/...
http://www.techspot.com/review/586-amd-fx-8350-fx-6300/...
http://www.techspot.com/review/586-amd-fx-8350-fx-6300/...

The i3 is CRUSHED, in every applications benchmarks, it's not even close. Your i3, BARELY edges wins in FPS. Less than .5 FPS every time, and with that being the case, NO ONE will notice the difference. Games are BARELY effected by CPU anymore, it's mostly GPU related.

Why don't you actually look at benchmarks instead of being hypocritical and looking like an Intel fanboy. The FX-6300 is Piledriver, don't be so ignorant. Steamroller is the next series and that is forcasted to have a 10-15% increase from Piledriver which means a cost effective upgrade as Steamroller will use AM3+.
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October 27, 2012 4:23:32 AM

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^except hes GAMING and the 6300 gets straight DESTROYED by the i3 in that regard (the 6300 is a pretty terrible gaming cpu). Yes you could upgrade to Piledriver but guess what buddy i5/i7 ivybridge eats piledriver for BREAKFAST LUNCH AND DINNER.

Go back to maintaining your crap blog and leave the advice giving to those who actually have a clue. kthnx broski ;D


You should be banned for your asinine comments and ignorance, let alone your flat out constant harassment of other forum members. Grow up and learn some respect. I haven't attacked you once, but I'm pretty sick of your comments. They're baseless and you use no evidence to back up your talk. Ever.
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October 27, 2012 4:31:22 AM

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Lol i find it funny that we both reference the same article to prove our opposite points. The mind believes what it wants ;D. Yes the AMD is faster in 2+ core applications no doubt. But for the vast majority of games ( those that use 2 cores or less) it wipes the floor the AMD cpu. In games that use more than 2 cores (ie a select few of the MOST cpu intensive games [bf3 really] the fx is CLOSE but still behind the i3. IMO, its more about the nature of the games than new vs old and dx9 vs dx11. There are plenty of dx11 games the i3 rapes the fx on as that is a pretty small sample size (check out MWO, Civ5, Dishonored to name a few). Furthermore yes piledriver is sweet but it only narrowed the gap between AMD and lga 1155. Lga 1155 still shits all over AMD unfortunately, especially in gaming.



A 5-15 increase in performance from the 4170 to the FX 4300 will mean that the "gap" in gaming performance has the intel behind in DX 10 and 11 games

There is no reason anyone should buy an intel dual core and a limited spec motherboard for gaming when AMD's chips perform so much better at the same price point

and they definitely shouldn't waste money on a Radeon 7850 for a 1360x768 resolution screen

I think your inexperience is showing


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October 27, 2012 4:34:04 AM

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Lol i find it funny that we both reference the same article to prove our opposite points. The mind believes what it wants ;D. Yes the AMD is faster in 2+ core applications no doubt. But for the vast majority of games ( those that use 2 cores or less) it wipes the floor the AMD cpu. In games that use more than 2 cores (ie a select few of the MOST cpu intensive games [bf3 really] the fx is CLOSE but still behind the i3. IMO, its more about the nature of the games than new vs old and dx9 vs dx11. There are plenty of dx11 games the i3 rapes the fx on as that is a pretty small sample size (check out MWO, Civ5, Dishonored to name a few). Furthermore yes piledriver is sweet but it only narrowed the gap between AMD and lga 1155. Lga 1155 still shits all over AMD unfortunately, especially in gaming.


Great, you provided benchmarks from the LAST GENERATION OF AMD CHIPS, I'm glad you keep up to date with CPUs. Vishera/Piledriver I will repeat again IS MUCH BETTER THAN BD. The FX-4170 IS NOT THE SAME AS THE FX-4300 OR 6300...

Show me benchmarks of DX11 or DX9 where the i3 RAPES the FX-6300... I really want to see, because last I checked the margins are less than 5 generally and even then the FX-6300 RAPES the i3 in every other benchmarks for Applications and real-life usage.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6396/the-vishera-review-a...

The i3 3220 is used here:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6396/the-vishera-review-a...
It's not even contention for frames in comparison to the FX-6300 or the FX-4300

Here's different games:
http://www.legionhardware.com/articles_pages/amd_fx_835...
The margin is within 3 and the FX-6300 can overclock while the i3 3220 or any non-K chip cannot. The FX-6300 can pull way ahead after an overclock too...
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October 27, 2012 4:40:54 AM

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Lol cmon man i though for a second we might actually be able to have a rational discussion. Clearly i outlined my reasoning behind the 7850. And yes there is ample reason to buy an intel dual core for gaming as it will rape AMD in that regard and provides MUCH greater upgradability as AMD cant even touch the i5 3570k LET alone the i7 3770k yet both of which are lga 1155.


Haswell will be a different socket, after that NO UPGRADE WILL BE MADE FOR LGA 1155. Can you NOT get that through your thick head?

AMD has stated Steamroller will be on the same platform as Piledriver, AM3+. With that said YOU STILL CAN UPGRADE, and if the 10-15% boost from BD to PD is true, then it'll surpass the Ivy Bridge mark in performance. AMD has also hinted that the chips after Steamroller will also possibly be AM3+.

A dual core IB can't even overclock as well, the FX-6300 is priced similarly can overclock to at least 5GHZ and gain IMMENSE amount of performance as we've seen from an overclocked FX-4300 or FX-8350 OC'd... Enough to pass up or catch up to the i5s/i7s. With that said, for the cost FX chips can't be beaten for a low gbudget like $600

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October 27, 2012 4:44:05 AM

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Lol cmon man i though for a second we might actually be able to have a rational discussion. Clearly i outlined my reasoning behind the 7850. And yes there is ample reason to buy an intel dual core for gaming as it will rape AMD in that regard and provides MUCH greater upgradability as AMD cant even touch the i5 3570k LET alone the i7 3770k yet both of which are lga 1155.



I have complained about your language . Its inappropriate for this message board .

And your dishonesty is not appreciated . Its definitely not useful to the OP , nor anyone else building a computer

You might want to read this
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1285/pg1/amd-fx-8...

and especially the pages of comments

but then again your mind is closed so you might not

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October 27, 2012 5:08:19 AM

Sooooooooooooo.... Heres what I have:
CPU Intel Core i3-3220 3.3GHz Dual-Core
Motherboard ASRock H61M/U3S3 Micro ATX LGA1155
Memory G.Skill 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3-1600
Storage Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM
Video Card XFX Radeon HD 7750 1GB
Case Rosewill CHALLENGER ATX Mid Tower
Power Supply Corsair 430W ATX12V
Operating System Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit)
Total: $556.92 after rebates
So should I get the AMD cpu or Intel cpu???
And would it be necessary to get the 7850? I would rather not go to much over budget. Again, I don't/need to play BF3 or crysis on high/ultra graphics. Just like WoW/D3/Dayz, games likes that.
Thanks for feedback though!
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October 27, 2012 5:24:51 AM

FX-6300 + MSI 970A-G46 - $210
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
Patriot 8GB DDR3 1600 - $26
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
WD 500GB + Cooler Master Elite 431 - $115 before $20 MIR from Cooler Master
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
Antec Neo Eco 520w $45
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
MSI R7770 $125 before $15 rebate
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Total: $486 after rebate, $521 before.

OS $69: http://www.softwaresupplygroup.com/microsoft-windows-7-...

Affordable Windows from a BBB A+ Approved website:
http://www.bbb.org/memphis/business-reviews/computer-so...
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October 27, 2012 5:42:03 AM

Lol AMD fanboy's so happy that AMD finally has a processor that can sort of compete with Intel's low end dual cores. Except that they consume twice the power to do it and run much hotter.

IMO, Go with the i3-3220 and an HD 7770.
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October 27, 2012 5:49:34 AM

Ironslice said:
Lol AMD fanboy's so happy that AMD finally has a processor that can sort of compete with Intel's low end dual cores. Except that they consume twice the power to do it and run much hotter.

IMO, Go with the i3-3220 and an HD 7770.


I'm not a fanboy of any company, I mean I've always liked Intel and I like AMD GPUs, but its hard to deny AMD of progress that Piledriver brings. The FX-6300 CRUSHES, absolutely CRUSHES, the i3 in multi-threading and especially in applications of real life usage. WinZip, Encoding of movies (Eg. AVI to MP4 or something), things that you may not think you use a lot but you really do. The FX-6300 has a small enough margin to the i3 that if the build can cost less or the same price, the real life performance offered warrants it to be used.

Granted efficiency is a huge issue, it has improved upon BD's terrible efficiency but it's still poor in that catagory. However how many people are actually going to see such a HUGE effect on their electric bill, it's not like we cared when i7 950 OC'd + GTX 480 was inefficient.

Plus the FX-6300, you cannot discount that. After overclocking, we see performance numbers get close if not past or equal to the i5 3470/i5 3570K. So IDK about you but the Piledriver's ease of overclocking, reviewers have shown that you can get to 5GHZ just as easy and even above 4.5GHZ on the reference cooler.
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October 27, 2012 7:57:24 AM

Ironslice said:
Lol AMD fanboy's so happy that AMD finally has a processor that can sort of compete with Intel's low end dual cores. Except that they consume twice the power to do it and run much hotter.

IMO, Go with the i3-3220 and an HD 7770.



AMD always had a cpu that was competitive .
The power usage difference amounts to about 2 cents an hour when gaming [ where I live] , and nothing at all if you are watching a dvd or reading an email

And clearly the i3 cant compete with the FX 4300 , let alone the FX 6300
The AMD build is the better option
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October 27, 2012 8:37:50 AM

IDK why you would still go with Intel at this budget but your choice OP.
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October 27, 2012 8:43:58 AM

Man can someone please answer my question. Thanks for all the feedback but if you guys want to continue to argue why not answer my question a midst haha?
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October 27, 2012 8:47:01 AM

aznshinobi said:
IDK why you would still go with Intel at this budget but your choice OP.

I'm still trying to decide but he I3-3320 is either cheaper or $10 more expensive than all amd cpus listed. The price is marginal. And I still have no idea which is better, just more confusion from all of the mixed reviews on this thread.
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October 27, 2012 8:57:02 AM

zZCory said:
I'm still trying to decide but he I3-3320 is either cheaper or $10 more expensive than all amd cpus listed. The price is marginal. And I still have no idea which is better, just more confusion from all of the mixed reviews on this thread.



Short answer: the i3 intel plays old games better
Both play modern games just as well
the FX 6300 does everything else much better than an i3
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October 27, 2012 9:56:08 AM

Your monitor has a very low resolution, so I would recommend using the 5570 actually. It should be adequate in those games, but you might not be able to max them out.

Case 40$: Fractal Design Core 1000 Micro ATX http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352009
Cpu 130$: Intel Core i3-3220 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116775
Motherboard 55$: ASRock B75M-DGS LGA 1155 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157335
RAM 34$: G.SKILL Value Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231422
SSD 85$: Mushkin Enhanced Chronos MKNSSDCR120GB 2.5" http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226236

This should be $344 plus shipping. A few notes, you may want to swap the SSD out for a HDD if you plan to store a bit, or just add a hdd to the build. I do recommend an SSD as it makes booting up and everything just snappier. That motherboard can't overclock if you should want to get a K cpu later (it's not really worth the effort to be honest).

You already have a monitor but you should consider upgrading to a 1080p one but if you do you will want a better gpu:

Monitor 110$: Acer G215HVAbd Black 21.5" 5ms Full HD http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009306
GPU 120$: PowerColor AX7770 1GBD5-DH Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131477

This would leave you at $574, and then you'd need to buy windows 7 or 8 so you would go over the budget a bit. If you can find a spare windows xp, you can upgrade it to windows 8 for $40.

Good luck with your build no matter what you decide to go for :) 
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October 27, 2012 9:05:03 PM

When a mod sees the same names crop up over and over in threads with bickering, they do remember those names. Be polite, make a strong case for your choice, then move along. Either the OP will agree or not, but you should not be trying to change the mind of other posters in a thread that should be about HELPING THE OP.
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October 28, 2012 12:55:53 AM

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