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Whats up with this garbage 660 ti?

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September 1, 2012 4:18:33 AM

I purchased a 660 ti to play guild wars 2. Upgraded from a 550 ti and I am seriously getting less fps with the 660 than the 550! temps are great - 60c under full load with air cooling. anyone know whats going on?

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a c 198 U Graphics card
September 1, 2012 4:22:43 AM

What power supply are you running?
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a c 198 U Graphics card
September 1, 2012 4:26:46 AM

Which 530W do you have? Brand is important. And your dual-core is probably the source of the bottleneck.
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a c 104 U Graphics card
September 1, 2012 4:26:49 AM

what cpu and ram do you have?
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September 1, 2012 4:27:09 AM

530 watt psu, 3.33 ghz dual core
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a c 104 U Graphics card
September 1, 2012 4:28:51 AM

can you tell us the brand and model of the psu? and be more specific with the cpu...what brand as well....did you uninstall the old drivers before you installed the new drives?
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September 1, 2012 4:30:01 AM

i have an overclocked one and its running at max - 1006 clock. my 550 ti was overclocked to 1000 base clock and with the exact same settings i had a constant 30 fps with the 550 and am now getting 15-22 fps with this 660
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September 1, 2012 4:31:08 AM

RAIDMAX HYBRID 2 RX-530SS 530W
intel core 2 duo 3.33ghz
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a c 198 U Graphics card
September 1, 2012 4:32:23 AM

You didn't answer any of our questions.

Which EXACT processor do you have?
Which EXACT power supply do you have?
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a c 104 U Graphics card
September 1, 2012 4:32:23 AM

look at my and demo's posts...can you be more specific when describing the rest of your rig...brand of psu and tell us exactly what cpu you have
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a c 104 U Graphics card
September 1, 2012 4:33:29 AM

Deemo13 said:
Well, the Core2Duo is probably the bottleneck of your computer, and that is an absolutely awful power supply.

Either or both of those is most likely the source of the problem.


+1 both of those are rough lol
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a c 198 U Graphics card
September 1, 2012 4:33:43 AM

Well, the Core2Duo is probably the bottleneck of your computer, and that is an absolutely awful power supply.

Either or both of those is most likely the source of the problem.
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September 1, 2012 6:50:20 AM

its not the psu. i have my gpu running soley on the 530 watt psu and hooked my cpu, fans, harddrive, mobo up to my 400 watt psu. still getting crap fps.
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a c 114 U Graphics card
September 1, 2012 6:59:21 AM

Wattage is not the only thing that makes a PSU good. There are more factors that regard the quality of a PSU.
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a b U Graphics card
September 1, 2012 7:10:20 AM

Maybe the driver not mature enough....
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a c 155 U Graphics card
September 1, 2012 7:10:38 AM

That may be the issue. Im fairly sure that a PSU will only turn on because of a signal from the 24pin cable. If youv only hooked up the GPU to it, might not even be supplying power. I suspect its only running off the 75W through the PCI-e slot.
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a c 128 U Graphics card
September 1, 2012 7:12:12 AM

if you don't know what you have.............. go into the device manager ( google it ) and look for the processor. hit the ( + ) sign. you will see it listed.

for the power supply, read the label...... you probably have to remove the case side. amperage under the 12v is what's more important.
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a c 155 U Graphics card
September 1, 2012 8:08:56 AM

Well aware of that Cyco, I believe Deemo mentioned the quality of the PSU.
We would have got around to it eventually... But trying to solve the problem at hand, which is bad GPU performance.
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a c 187 U Graphics card
September 1, 2012 8:15:50 AM

I see he did now didn't read the whole thread only part of it carry on then
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September 1, 2012 8:22:03 AM

Guild wars 2 is pretty new and the game is not fully optimized yet for video cards. My 2 GTX 670 SLI got around 30-90 fps, fps vary widely in different areas.
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a b U Graphics card
September 1, 2012 8:28:44 AM

Hmmm. Unlikely to be a CPU bottleneck, if that were the case he'd get the same fps as before.

Unless of course he's turned up CPU based effects.

Are you running the latest nvidia driver for your card?
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September 1, 2012 8:54:48 AM

Best way to tell if your video card is having problem is to run 3d mark 11 and compare it to similar systems. Your card should score within 1000k points of similar systems, if not then something is wrong. Guild wars 2 is not a good game to test since even the GTX 680 can struggle a lot depend on what area of the map you are in.
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a c 128 U Graphics card
September 1, 2012 9:56:04 AM

what about game update ?
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September 1, 2012 10:20:11 AM

ok update guys. btw i have an e8600 dual core 3.33ghz cpu. i have the 306.02 nvidia driver. interestingly i was just playing dark souls and it ran perfectly with the 660 ti.

there is an increase in performance on the heaven benchmark - on the 550 ti I would run dx11, moderate tessellation, 4x anisotropy, 2x AA and would average about 35 fps. With the 660 ti: dx11, extreme tess, 16x anisotropy, 8x AA and get 45 fps. Both of these are running the 26 stages as part of the "benchmark" option.

monitoring the 660 performance in guild wars i noticed gpu usage is only about 40-60% while I am getting the 20 fps. it is still playable like this bit i have to grit my teeth.

I ran my 550 ti with the 530 watt psu as it came a day earlier than the 660, (my old 400 watt psu was the minimum for the 550). I did not look at the numbers but i noticed my fans were much louder on the gpu - my guess from the increased power. I know my 550 ti did NOT run at 100% gpu load when I would max guild wars when it was getting less than 60 fps. Perhaps its the same case with the 660 where it just isnt getting enough power? My guess is the 530 watt psu is running much lower than that.
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September 1, 2012 10:21:34 AM

also - with the 660 on guild wars my fps only increases to about 30 on the minimum settings. Where the 550 on minimum was over 100.
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September 1, 2012 10:54:01 AM

graphics score w 660 on 3d mark was 9012 (is that good?) physics 2774
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a c 114 U Graphics card
September 1, 2012 11:01:07 AM

Can you tell us exactly what settings that you are using for Guild Wars 2 and if they are the same settings that you used with your 550 TI?
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September 1, 2012 11:27:39 AM

I think it probably is that guild wars isn't fully optimized. My card seems to be running great outside guild wars - the average 3dmark score with a 660 ti is 8560. I have a pre overclocked one so it makes sense that mine is over 9k.

I have been running all guild wars options on the highest possible choice - "best looking" with super sampling. I kept an eye on gpu and cpu usage when I was getting the poor 20 fps: cpu load of both cores was about 70% and gpu load was 40%.
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a c 114 U Graphics card
September 1, 2012 11:33:03 AM

You could try messing around with some settings. Does Guild Wars 2 have PysX and if so, are you using it? Do you have V-Sync or Adaptive V-Sync enabled? What AA settings (if any) are in use)? Maybe there is a setting or two that the 660 TI simply isn't handling well.

Also, are these the exact same settings that you used on your GTX 550 TI?
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September 1, 2012 11:37:42 AM

iroxxar1 said:
I think it probably is that guild wars isn't fully optimized. My card seems to be running great outside guild wars - the average 3dmark score with a 660 ti is 8560. I have a pre overclocked one so it makes sense that mine is over 9k.

I have been running all guild wars options on the highest possible choice - "best looking" with super sampling. I kept an eye on gpu and cpu usage when I was getting the poor 20 fps: cpu load of both cores was about 70% and gpu load was 40%.


Well it looks like your card is fine since you have a higher than average 3dmark 11 score. 3d mark 11 stress your GPU much more than Guild wars 2, so I don't think it is a power supply not providing enough power either. The fps you are reporting in Guild wars 2 seems ok since you are playing everything at max settings. Again, keep in mind that I'm using a SB-E i7 3820 @4.3 ghz and my dual GTX 670 SLI (boost clock 1277 Mhz/6.4 ghz memory) only gives me 50-70 fps most of the time at 1920-1200 res max settings on everything, so your single GTX 660 Ti giving 30 fps in some area is about right. This game is still very new and not optimized yet. Future driver updates will probably give it major boost in performance.

Another factor that is also impacting your low fps in Guild wars 2 is the dual core E8600 CPU, you need to overclock that CPU to at least 4.0 ghz or higher because Guild Wars 2 does utilize Quad Core CPUs and higher frequency will yield better fps. Upgrade your CPU to i5 3570k is probably your next option to fully enjoy that 660 Ti.
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September 1, 2012 11:43:34 AM

Ok thanks jack, I feel better now haha. Messing around with some settings in an area with a ton of water I noticed turning reflections to "all" had about an instant 10 fps drop. Interestingly it forced the gpu usage up to 98% and then quickly shot up to 60 fps with vertical sync on and stuck between 60 and 40 fps (with reflections still set to All)
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September 1, 2012 11:55:32 AM

i wont be upgrading my cpu anytime soon. I have a dead socket and have the best cpu that fits the socket. So I would have to upgrade mobo, cpu, ram, and get an os cd.
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a c 114 U Graphics card
September 1, 2012 11:58:03 AM

iroxxar1 said:
i wont be upgrading my cpu anytime soon. I have a dead socket and have the best cpu that fits the socket. So I would have to upgrade mobo, cpu, ram, and get an os cd.


Don't you have an LGA 775 CPU? There are quad core LGA 775 parts. You're is a dual-core. Unless I'm wrong about your socket. you do not have the best possible for it (although the motherboard itself might not support them, that would be the thing to look into IMO).

Also, if your motherboard is capable of it, overclocking might be an option to get more CPU performance without an upgrade.
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a c 187 U Graphics card
September 1, 2012 12:00:06 PM

Well rather your willing to upgrade your cpu mobo ram elect i don't think was the point it was meant to tell you a reason why the card is not preforming better for you
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a b U Graphics card
September 1, 2012 1:38:14 PM

My advaise is to give it some times, New game/driver need some times to be fully matured..
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a b U Graphics card
September 1, 2012 2:01:08 PM

Maybe turn on adaptive vsync instead of vsync.

BTW isn't GW2 still in Beta? I remember reading someone's post that the most recent build/patch brought the fps from 60 to 30 or something.
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a b U Graphics card
September 1, 2012 2:11:18 PM

nope, GW2 already out from beta :D 
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September 1, 2012 2:36:35 PM

Hit 4.0Ghz it should reduce bottleneck.
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September 8, 2012 6:10:28 AM

well guys i thought i would give you an update. i upgraded to a 750watt corsair, 3570k @ 4ghz and a pcie 3.0 mobo. i am downloading gw2 right now so i havnt had a chance to compare yet. however my 3dmark 11 graphics score is now 13409, up from just over 9000.
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September 8, 2012 6:10:56 AM

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a c 332 U Graphics card
September 8, 2012 8:53:36 AM

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