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Again, that is your opinion... I personally accept homosexuals, but I hate organized religion. But I am not going to dissuade my wife or kids to go to church. That is their choice, my choice is not to go. I don't want to start one here, but I have not heard a convincing argument for the existance of God. I believe I am an agnostic, as I don't deny the possibility of a God, but I want proof. That is just the way I am.
I felt P4Man had a wonderful post, and so far, no one has come up with anything intelligent to counter his points. If you want to debate this, bring facts (as much as possible) to the table. It is true that much of the things written about gays could sound like Nazi or KKK propoganda. That is a fact. "Choosing a religion and sticking your penis in another man's crusty cornhole are not the same thing." That is a fact, but it has no relavance to the conversation. They are not the same, but some will prefer one side, some will prefer the other side. It is like saying "The Cubs and The Yankees are not the same team." True fact, but nothing more.
In short, good job P4Man.
I HATE NET NAZIS!!!
While I disagree with your view, the fact that you stated having a religion and thus, specific standards of belief, I'm not gonna hold anything against you or hate you for it or disrespect you. At least you have some kind of background justification. I highly disagree with your sin stuff, but again, your religion= your own choice or view. And it's cool that you didn't go with the wave on the "should gays teach".
Again, you didn't bash someone and you explained your background, which I respect and won't hold against. (in other words, I CAN'T!)
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I am honestly very happy you just said that. You got my respect there buddy. To have at least thought about what P4Man suggested and even found some truth in it is applaudable. He's right, if we do replace the words, it won't sound so different than discrimination in the 30s.
I also applaud you for your tolerance towards gays. Good thing we got most regulars as accepting people. That includes you, Auburn, RobD and Wingy. Maybe some won't share the same view on gay marriage, but I could care less about it, since I don't even feel like wanting a marriage. I don't wanna enter one where in a few years I'll get tired of the relationship and break up and end up a number in the board of divorce statistics.
I also like your agnostic POV. Good to be in the middle and keep an open mind. I too feel agnostic, but I wholeheartedly believe in life after death. For spiritual reasons of course.
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You know DH, I may probably end up gay, but I don't find lesbian porn any digusting at all, nor heterosexual porn. (in fact I watch them for the moaning LOL...gay moans are fake and suck usually) So maybe you are generalizing a bit by assuming that's how you can understand RC.
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BTW P4Man, the gay marriage thread was actually locked. Too long of a thread, and prolly THE longest running thread in the OTHER forum that was over 80% serious and on topic.
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DH btw, since I cannot respond to you in the other thread anymore, I was refering to my reply to your post question me masturbating and smelling and using Phial as a reference often. Go reread my reply to it, and reply here if you can. I'm still curious if you still hold it against me after reading why I did all this.
Unless you want me to take seriously everything about my past and never get over it.
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Personally, I'm all for the spread of homosexuality in men. Increases the number of available women for me. Not to much into homosexuality in women though, prefer straight or bisexual there don't ya know? 
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I just honestly don't find it at all offensive, no it's not something that turns me on, but neither does watching another man and woman having sex, nor does watching two women have sex. Unless I'm personally involved nekkid people in general don't do it for me to much. I've worked at a local isp where people played games of finding things online that would make some of the techs throw up (both male and female, they were equal opportunity abuse games.) I've seen things that have made people I know retch and I don't even get phased a bit or upset or offended. Fact is the only thing I've ever seen that kinda hit me as "Ugh. No." was a bit of jap-scat, the girl squirted eggs up her ass with a turkey baster, crapped them out in a frying pan, ate them, threw them up, and ate them again. I was fine till she ate her own vomit, watching someone pick little chunks of vomit out of a mixed up mess and listening to the sounds made my stomache roll, but hey other than that I couldn't care... and honestly, I don't care if that little girl eats nothing but vomit the rest of her life, so long as I'm not forced to watch it.
Basically my theory is this-- If it doesn't infringe on anyones rights directly or hurt them, why should they care if it makes someone else happy? I have yet to hear a good answer that doesn't resort to religion and morality... which are entirely dependant on your upbringing and the state of society at the time and continually change.
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i agree those who oppose or have a different point of view about something doesnt make them a bigot.
bigot
n : a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own
im not prejudice against homosexuals i just dont approve. i can tolerate gay people though. i just know im not gay 
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hehe actually im colorblind so i wouldnt know. 
lol.
but i agree individuality makes the world interesting, but it doesnt mean i have to accept everyones idealogies though.
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PF, RC several times questioned gay people's rights to be authorities and often the argument was because of how they might even do pedophilic or perverted acts. Take the boy scout example.
That is absolutely wrong. Like I said, there was prolly a gay teacher in my previous school and no one got hurt or changed. No one was influenced. When they brought the two gays in class to talk to us about it, everyone was open and no one changed. Every one had their sexuality known to themselves. They were mature (16-17).
RC's views are too conservative and I happen to agree with P4Man, such attitude and generalization CAN be compared to the past dangerous acts by society. Take the word replacement dare he asked some of you and see.
You're one of my close friends, and I'm not asking you to turn back on RC, but I do ask you to at least try to see P4Man's POV and even try to take his little challenge. I don't believe in backing my friends up no matter what. Not when what they did was so wrong they're even happy with it. I'll back them anytime if they did something wrong but feel like they shouldn't have. Did I turn my back on you for what you did in the past during war?
No.
But if you did something now and you seem not to be aware of the wrongness in it, I will object, even publically. I don't believe in making anyone innocent just because we're good friends. That's ignorance. That leads us to let them do whatever they think is right, and let others be hurt in the process. And I've been hurt all too many times in that thread, and you never once tried to back me up a bit while RC got the golden treatment by his friends who happen to be mine too! (not that I am holding it against you)
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Shadus, didn't you once say you had a threesome which included another man in it?
In a way it was a homosexual relationship.
My question though is how did it feel? How did it go and how was it in your eyes? (prolly not as exciting as two ladies with you of course hehe)
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| Quote : Just because you have had teachers or others authoratative figures in your life that caused no harm doesnt mean it doesnt exist, right? |
You are correct. But then that doesn't mean he should also generalize, right?
| Quote : But i dont see how they relate to a Hitler. |
Perhaps I went too extreme, but his attitude in general, ressembles the kind of fear Hitler had, or many other leaders which caused in the end such things. RC wouldn't want hate and killing in his mind, but his kind of attitude and need to let others adopt it (wanting people to not let kids be taught by gay teachers, i.e.)is what is condemnable big time.
| Quote : If I did how would I back up your view and then turn around and say RC's view is correct too? |
You could back me up by telling him some of his comments were wrong, like the freaks of nature thing, since you know who I am now and know it could offend me. You can also propose to me to calm down a bit and let his views on gay marriage be heard, and I'd not be against that. You don't have to backup one side only, or likey P4Man said, Black and White all the time. Being able to help two different sides is what makes you the better one. Like Auburn did by trying to stop the fighting and giving points to each!
| Quote : As you have, I havent judged you or talked badd about you becasue of your "sexual awakening"(i dont know the words for it sorry) have I? |
And I am very happy for that.
| Quote : And I did make some distasteful comments in the other thread but edited them out because I was wrong didnt I? |
You regained a lot of respect back for realizing it and even DOING it (editing posts is not often a tasteful thing unless you made a typing error or something, but to change the past is often distasteful as you try to mask what you actually meant. However this time I see it as an act of goodness and admire it).
| Quote : but I did try to show you that he has said he was sorry and wishes he could take it back, if you dont forgive him, then you are wrong in the matter. period, no need for any discussion. He is trying to be sincere enough that he said he was wrong and you basically say his apology isnt good enough, thats your fault not his. |
Like I said, I accept his apology, I just wonder if he did it by pressure from his wife and neighbours, or from his own will by actually realizing he was wrong like your comments to Phial.
I am not attacking him on his apology now anyway, I am just showing that P4Man has a point, that RC should at least address and prove P4Man wrong. Because yes, right now, I beleive P4Man's theory, that RC is generalizing gays to pedophiles and that his comments overall could easily ressemble hateful speeches by KKKs or Nazis.
Of course, in the end, nothing is held against you. You're my sweet dickhead. 
Vic
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Erm, was that humor or some serious post?! I'm confused. 
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No I'm no longer confused. Thanks to your sekzy butt last night, I know where I'm heading!
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Kark, what's a kark?
New word perhaps?
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| Quote : Why do you somehow condemn me for trying to break free of what destroyed me first?
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I'm not condeming you. It's weird though.
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What's the difference? Everyone vs not abnormal? That's semantics. I still maintain that it is not normal. Unfortionately only you, I, and P4 have spoken about their childhood experiences.
| Quote : I never said it was like me. I said ask him about his bisexual feelings if you want to know more. |
I don't need to ask him. His bisexual feelings don't affect me one bit and we talk about other stuff. If we end up talking about that fine, but I don't need to ask him. Just like you, I accept him any way he is. I was just implying that you're relying on Phial as a source of information as if he's the oracle. You kept bringing him into this when all he's done is say a word or two.
| Quote : I never said I liked to smell it or it was some obsession, I said I did it once or twice, and didn't find it displeasing. Just thought I'd share it as part of the THGC OTHER Law of Dirtyness! |
Wingy's dirtiness is one thing, but you were being serious. I'm not sure if I'd find my own semen displeasing, since you have to smell it when you unload all over some woman, but I sure as hell don't take a warm bath, masturbate, and then smell it. That's weird dude. It's not dirty, it's straight up bizarre.
| Quote : He, among many others said it himself that it's not a minority that has had such experiences when young, trying to discover sexuality. |
His experience is limited and he is not the encyclopedia britanica.
| Quote : Approval only to prove to Scammy or others that there are people like Phial who indeed are capable of having both relationships with almost equal pleasure. Can you point to me where I am seeking approval elsewhere? |
You're trying to justify homosexuality when you aren't even sure if you're gay. You're 17, confused, and you can't communicate properly with guys or girls. Get off MSN and go ask that girl out. Go ask a guy out even. Just stop hiding. You need to find out what's going through your head and it's not going to happen by being on MSN. That doctor told you to get laid. He's probably right. However, long before you get laid you need to be able to ask someone out. "Hey, I was wondering if you'd want to grab some lunch with me". "Hi, nice shoes. Wanna [-peep-]". Use either one, but do it in person.
| Quote : My friend is completely straight and is one of my best friends in real life, and he has shared such experiences with me. I can likely find others. |
Ok. That's one person. What about the gay and lesbian club? What about your own experiences? Go out on a date. Don't worry about stage fright. Go out on several dates. If you truly are comfortable with guys then if you see a guy you like you should be able to ask him out. Don't ask me how since I have no clue, especially considering the grace needed so that you don't pick up on a homophobe.
Try the nice shoes pick up. Wear kevlar.
| Quote : It's only now that this is finally evolving and changing. |
I guess. I still think being curious about other guys penises when you have your own is odd as well as not masturbating when you have a penis is odd, but maybe you're just a bit behind.
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| Quote : I don't need to ask him. His bisexual feelings don't affect me one bit and we talk about other stuff. If we end up talking about that fine, but I don't need to ask him. Just like you, I accept him any way he is. I was just implying that you're relying on Phial as a source of information as if he's the oracle. You kept bringing him into this when all he's done is say a word or two.
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Phial's about the only bisexual I've ever known to have exhibited nearly equal feelings for both genders. Hence why I relied on him. I'll stop if you want, meh...
| Quote : I'm not condeming you. It's weird though. |
If you understood my psychological breakdown, you wouldn't feel weird about it but consider it logical to have happened and accepted it as a consequence.
| Quote : since you have to smell it when you unload all over some woman, |
You never jacked off in the bathroom sometime? One little touch on the finger and a smell is all it takes. And like I said, it's not even on purpose that I do it, let alone still do it. I merely tried to see how it was. I was discovering what I should've discovered at the age of puberty, around 13, which I didn't, and now I did, so I was curious about my body. What else can I say? Please stop implying I am doing it as fun and on purpose. Besides, if you think THAT is bizarre, you've obviously not seen other peoples' sexual acts.
| Quote : You're trying to justify homosexuality when you aren't even sure if you're gay. You're 17, confused, and you can't communicate properly with guys or girls. Get off MSN and go ask that girl out. Go ask a guy out even. Just stop hiding. You need to find out what's going through your head and it's not going to happen by being on MSN. That doctor told you to get laid. He's probably right. However, long before you get laid you need to be able to ask someone out. "Hey, I was wondering if you'd want to grab some lunch with me". "Hi, nice shoes. Wanna [-peep-]". Use either one, but do it in person. |
Recent troubles between me and her (she suddenly seems to reject me) have made me pull back my offensive plan. So that will have to wait.
As for gays, I live in a region where it just don't appear. It's so rare, let alone seeing on at my college, one that could please me, that I could relate to and connect with. Truth be told, people like Phial could be right for me, if only someone like him was living here.
So my chances lately have really sunk and I am once more caught in the waiting game, letting my problem escalate or stay there trying to grow. I can't help it man.
| Quote : guess. I still think being curious about other guys penises when you have your own is odd as well |
That's homosexuality dude, and I thought you were beyond wondering why it happens and accepted it as something that just HAPPENS!
| Quote : as well as not masturbating when you have a penis is odd, but maybe you're just a bit behind.
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Yes and it took quite a bit of guts to admit publically in a forum that I am sexually retarded by over 5 years, and have not taken care of that side of mine for years. At least feel for me rather than just say "it's weird though", "maybe you're just behind". Just accept how true it is, cuz my shrink sure was surprised hearing it. (yeah, I surprised a goddamn psychologist! The guy who knows about almost every kind of behavior or attitude)
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