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October 28, 2012 5:06:49 AM

Hey everyone,
Earlier tonight I posted in the homebuilt forums the parts I had picked out for my first home built. That total was $1075.41. I do not know how to overclock (not that I can't learn) and since it's over $1000.00 I would hate to mess this up. What do you guys think about this iBUYPOWER customized pre-built? It's not much more and is professionally overclocked to 20%, plus has liquid cooling. Pros/cons and any other advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for your time.

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2012 Halloween Intel Z77 Core i5

1 x Case ( Raidmax Orion Gaming Case - Black )

1 x Processor ( Intel® Core™ i5-3570K Processor (4x 3.40GHz/6MB L3 Cache) - Intel Core i5-3570K )

1 x iBUYPOWER PowerDrive ( PowerDrive Level 2 - Up to 20% Overclocking )

1 x Processor Cooling ( Liquid CPU Cooling System [SOCKET-1155] - Standard 120mm Fan )

1 x Memory ( 8 GB [4 GB X2] DDR3-1600 Memory Module - G.Skill Ripjaws X )

1 x Video Card ( NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660 - 2GB - Single Card )

1 x Video Card Brand ( Major Brand Powered by AMD or NVIDIA )

1 x Free Stuff ( [FREE Game Voucher] Assassins Creed III - Free with purchase of NVIDIA GeForce GTX 650Ti or above )

1 x Motherboard ( Gigabyte GA-Z77-D3H -- 1x PCI-E 3.0 x16, 4x USB 3.0 )

1 x Power Supply ( 750 Watt - Corsair CX750 )

1 x Primary Hard Drive ( 1 TB HARD DRIVE -- 32M Cache, 7200 RPM, 6.0Gb/s - Single Drive )

1 x Optical Drive ( 24X Dual Format/Double Layer DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW Drive - Black )

1 x Sound Card ( 3D Premium Surround Sound Onboard )

1 x Network Card ( Onboard LAN Network (Gb or 10/100)

1 x Operating System ( Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium + Office Starter 2010 (Includes basic versions of Word and Excel) - 64-Bit )

1 x Advanced Build Options ( Professional wiring for all cables inside the system tower - Achieve exceptional airflow in your chassis )

1 x Advanced Build Options ( Professional wiring for all cables inside the system tower - Basic Pro Wiring )

1 x Warranty ( 3 Year Standard Warranty Service )

Thanks again for helping me out.

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October 28, 2012 5:07:47 AM

Sorry, forgot to mention this ^^^build is $1195.00 shipped. So $120 more than the homebuilt.
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October 28, 2012 5:13:50 AM

This thing seems pretty expensive considering its components. The GPU in particular is underpowered. You should be looking at a Ti on this budget.
There's no reason to pay them to OC. It's really easy. You have to change literally one setting (the clock multiplier).
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October 28, 2012 5:13:59 AM

"Professionally overclocked" means that someone can hit DEL until they get into the BIOS and change the multiplier to 42 (4.2Ghz is a 20% overclock). Its really that simple, don't even have to mess with voltage at that frequency.

Budget closed-loop water cooling performs no better than a budget air cooler. Case in point, a H60 performs the same as a 212 EVO at twice the cost.
http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/cm_hyper212_evo...

As pretty much anyone on this forum would tell you, building your own is better than a pre-built. Works out cheaper and you know exactly whats inside the rig and how it works.

Just noticed, but you have to pay for cable management? That should just be standard.
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October 28, 2012 5:36:22 AM

Well you guys have certainly made me feel better about the overclocking. Thanks for the rapid responses. I took the "pro OC'ed" and cabling off and added the gtx660ti. New price is $1205.00 shipped. I have to say I was surprised that I have to pay $19.00 for "pro cabling". I guess the biggest advantage for me going this route would be the warranty. My homebuilt kit I've compiled is now $1125.00 with the Ti, so to have them build it will cost me is $80.00. Is there anything else you guys can see that I should swap? Thanks again.
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October 28, 2012 6:41:44 AM

Get rid of the water cooling system and stick on a CM Evo. My EVO is fantastic and only cost about $30.

Just to clarify: Are you buying pre-built? What country are you in?
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October 28, 2012 11:19:06 AM

Ok, so I don't need to worry about overclocking without liquid cooling? Also, I live in US. And yes, it's prebuilt. But it's from a company that lets you customize the components, they build it, then they ship it to you. Thanks.
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October 28, 2012 11:34:04 AM

boondockaint7 said:
Ok, so I don't need to worry about overclocking without liquid cooling? Also, I live in US. And yes, it's prebuilt. But it's from a company that lets you customize the components, they build it, then they ship it to you. Thanks.


No, you do not need water cooling. You don't really even need an aftermarket cooler of any kind. The stock retail heatsink is fine for small overclocks. I think that people tend to go a little overboard myself even with aftermarket air cooled heatsinks that they don't need. I mean, let us put this into perspective......the heatsink supplied by Intel in the retail box with your processor is the one supplied to you by the people who made the processor, and are warrantying the processor. So it can't be all that bad. See my signature. A year and a half solid at the overclock speed you see, with the stock heatsink, and not a single issue with this build. Not a single hiccup what so ever. So unless you are going to be trying some hefty overclocking, save your money!
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October 28, 2012 11:40:37 AM

By hefty overclocking, is that anything over 20%? Because I'm certainly not trying to burn this thing up :-D. Ok, all of this being said, do I need to use thermal compound? This is the fan from the homebuild:

COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 "Heatpipe Direct Contact" Long Life Sleeve 120mm CPU Cooler Compatible with Intel ($30.00)

I've read some other forums on the thermal compound topic, but those seem to get pretty technical. Thanks again guys.
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October 28, 2012 11:47:18 AM

boondockaint7 said:
By hefty overclocking, is that anything over 20%? Because I'm certainly not trying to burn this thing up :-D. Ok, all of this being said, do I need to use thermal compound? This is the fan from the homebuild:

COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 "Heatpipe Direct Contact" Long Life Sleeve 120mm CPU Cooler Compatible with Intel ($30.00)

I've read some other forums on the thermal compound topic, but those seem to get pretty technical. Thanks again guys.

Yes, you will need thermal compound, but the 212 plus comes with a pretty good compound, so I wouldn't buy anything extra. :sol: 
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October 28, 2012 4:15:44 PM

Thanks so much for your help guys. I feel alot more confident with the homebuild now. However, the custom pre does come with the three year warranty and isn't much different in cost. Is there any other shaving I can do to lower home built price while retaining quality?
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October 28, 2012 4:19:16 PM

How's the home cost looking?
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October 28, 2012 4:28:02 PM




Sony Optiarc 24X DVD Burner, Bulk Package Black SATA Model AD-7280S-0B - OEM

$17.99


Rosewill BLACKHAWK Gaming ATX Mid Tower Computer Case, come with Five Fans, window side panel, top HDD dock

$89.99


Western Digital WD RE4 WD1003FBYX 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Enterprise Hard Drive -Bare Drive

$119.99


EVGA SuperClocked 02G-P4-3662-KR GeForce GTX 660 Ti 2GB 192-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

$299.99


CORSAIR CX Series CX750 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply

$99.99


GIGABYTE GA-Z77X-D3H LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

$149.99


Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I53570K

$229.99


Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit - OEM

$99.99


COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 EVO RR-212E-20PK-R2 Continuous Direct Contact 120mm Sleeve CPU Cooler Compatible with latest Intel ...

$31.99

Total: $1,158.91 shipped

Someone else said this should be an $850 build. All parts are through newegg.com. If I can get this for $850 then I'll definitely go homebuilt. But as is there's really no difference in price and the custom prebuilt has the warranty.
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October 28, 2012 4:32:28 PM

Also, since I want to display on a 51" samsung 1080p, would I need to add any outputs? Thanks again.
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October 28, 2012 5:03:58 PM

Check the inputs on the TV against the cables that come with the GPU.
That HDD's too expensive. Here's one for $50 less: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Add an SSD if you feel like you can afford it. They really make a difference in general PC quality-of-life.
Get a cheaper mobo like the ASRock Z77 Extreme4.
Do you live near a Microcenter? You can get the 3570K, and possibly other parts too, much cheaper there.
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October 28, 2012 6:48:15 PM

Thanks for the microcenter tip. The nearest one is 2 1/2 hours away, and of course the only things I'd really save on are in-store only lol. I'll keep doing a little more tweaking to bring dow price before final decision. Thanks for the help!
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October 29, 2012 2:20:55 AM

Ok, I decided to go with cyberpower. Tell me what you guys think.

BASE_PRICE: [+629]

CAS: Cooler Master Elite 431 Mid-Tower Gaming Case w/ Side-Panel Window

CASUPGRADE: 12in Cold Cathode Neon Light (Blue Color)

CD: 24X Double Layer Dual Format DVD+-R/+-RW + CD-R/RW Drive (BLACK COLOR)

COOLANT: Standard Coolant

CPU: Intel(R) Core™ i5-3570K 3.40 GHz 6MB Intel Smart Cache LGA1155 (All Venom OC Certified)

CS_FAN: Maximum 120MM Color Case Cooling Fans for your selected case (Blue Color)

FAN: Asetek 510LC Liquid Cooling System 120MM Radiator & Fan (Enhanced Cooling Performance + Extreme Silent at 20dBA) (Single Standard 120MM Fan)

FREEBIE_MB: GIGABYTE GC-WB300D Exclusive Bluetooth 4.0/WiFi PCIe Expansion Card

FREEBIE_VC: FREE Assassins Creed III Game Coupon

HDD: 1TB Western Digital Caviar Blue SATA-III 6.0Gb/s 7200 RPM HDD (Single Drive)

IUSB: Built-in USB 2.0 Ports

KEYBOARD: AZZA Multimedia USB Gaming Keyboard

MEMORY: 8GB (4GBx2) DDR3/1600MHz Dual Channel Memory [+0] (Corsair or Major Brand)

MOTHERBOARD: * [CrossFireX/SLI] GIGABYTE GA-Z77X-D3H Intel Z77 Chipset DDR3 ATX Mainboard w/ IRST, Lucid Virtu MVP, Ultra Durable4 Classic, 7.1 HD Audio, GbLAN, 3x Gen3 PCIe x16, 3x PCIe x1 & 1 PCI (All Venom OC Certified)

MOUSE: AZZA Optical 1600dpi Gaming Mouse with Weight Adjustable Cartridge

NETWORK: Onboard Gigabit LAN Network

OS: Microsoft(R) Windows 7 Home Premium [+104] (64-bit Edition)

POWERSUPPLY: 600 Watts - Corsair CMPSU-600CXV2 Builder Series CX600 V2 80 Plus Certified Power Supply

SERVICE: STANDARD WARRANTY: 3-YEAR LIMITED WARRANTY PLUS LIFE-TIME TECHNICAL SUPPORT

SOUND: HIGH DEFINITION ON-BOARD 7.1 AUDIO

VIDEO: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660 Ti 2GB 16X PCIe 3.0 Video Card [+207] (EVGA Superclocked)

Final price shipped is $1044.00. I feel like I did really well (with everyone's guidance of course). Let me know what you guys think. Thanks again.
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October 29, 2012 4:25:54 AM

Pretty good rig that is, you'l be pretty happy with it.
Only thing I would add to it is an SSD. Once you experience how fast an SSD-based system is, booting from a HDD just seems so slow.
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October 29, 2012 2:55:46 PM

That's a much better deal. Huh.
Ya, an SSD would be nice, and you could put one in yourself and still stay within your previous budget.
I'm glad you're getting decent peripherals.
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October 29, 2012 10:18:15 PM

Thanks guys. I know that OCZ is no good, so what would a good SSD be that won't break the bank? Also, does the SSD replace the HDD, or do they both stay in there?
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October 29, 2012 11:17:05 PM

boondockaint7 said:
Thanks guys. I know that OCZ is no good, so what would a good SSD be that won't break the bank? Also, does the SSD replace the HDD, or do they both stay in there?

Samsung makes some good ones, I have the 128 GB 470 the new 830's are even better. and you CAn have both SSD and HDD in the same system. Put your OS and programs on the SSD and use the HDD for your data.
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October 29, 2012 11:20:29 PM

840s*
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October 30, 2012 2:18:16 AM

Thanks to everyone for their help!
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October 30, 2012 2:27:06 AM

Best answer selected by boondockaint7.
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October 30, 2012 4:10:28 AM

OCZ make good SSD's! My Vertex 4 is testament to that.
Just dont get their PSU's.
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October 30, 2012 9:40:43 AM

Oh, well alright. Just goes to show I need you guys to steer me in the right direction(s)! I'm going to hold off for now and probably around christmas get the SSD. Like I told someone else, I'm upgrading from PS3 so I think that rig up there ^^^^ is going to keep my mind perfectly blown for awhile. Thanks to all of you guys!
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