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October 29, 2012 3:14:09 AM

Ok so im tearing down my dinosaur of a pc and revamping it to game mostly and ofc web browse watch moviez etc.. 90% gaming but ofc with a budget.

I plan on keeping my dvd drive for sure and possibly my power supply if it will work with the new system.

Ive already decided i am buying the amd 965 be cpu what i would like to know is what woulda good mobo and ram combination be for that processor. Id like to have 8gb of ram.

Further more im thinking of going with a gtx 560 gpu ive heard good things and that there a good bang for your buck card main question is which model/brand would suite my setup best. Ti model or non ti 1gb or 2? Id be runnibg the above cpu ofc on suggested board and ram with my 600 watt psu if possible. Im currently using a 24 inch led 1080p monitor.
I do not plan on running dual gpu at all.

Im also going to need hard drive(s). And maybe a nice new tower if it fits the budget.

Id like to accomplish this for around the 600$ mark if at all possible slightly over should be fine. Any and all advice is much apreciated as long as it does not involve attempts to convert to intel haha. Thanks in advance.
October 29, 2012 3:35:16 AM

1. I'd recommend the FX-6300 over the Phenom II 965 BE. The Phenom series is just too old, and is outperformed by most all recent CPU's

2. For the GPU, whoever told you that the 560 ($189.99) has better bang for the buck has no idea what they are talking about. The HD 7770 (129.99) outperforms it in EVERYTHING and is much cheaper.

3. For a HDD, I'd recommend the Western Digital WD Blue 500GB

4. This mobo ASRock 990FX Extreme3 is a good motherboard for overclocking and it comes with 8GB free Patriot Viper 3 8GB RAM
October 29, 2012 4:08:49 AM

Is the fx 6300 worth the extra money over the 965 be for a mostly gaming pc? Im notworried about being a little outdated as long as its not a total dinosaur. Currently using an amd phenom x3 8450 heh shes old. Mobo looks awesome and the ram with it is a sweet deal but say i decided on the 965 would it be compatible with that mobo?

Only reason i ask is cause a 6 core cpu seems a bit overkill for what i intend on doing.

Hdd looks solid good name good price.

As for the gpu i would have thought the gtx 560 was better. Im very partial to having amd cpu's and nvidia gpu's call me a fan i guess.

http://www.hwcompare.com/11885/geforce-gtx-560-vs-radeo...

http://www.hwcompare.com/11900/geforce-gtx-560-ti-vs-ra...

Apreciate your answer very much!
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October 29, 2012 4:28:47 AM

Oh I'm sorry, actually, the 560 is a better choice than the 7770. Idk why, but I though you were talking about the 550 ti. So, go with the 560.

Also, you could get the 4300. But I mean when you can get 2 more cores and twice the L3 cache, that is well worth only an extra $10. And yes, I'd go ahead and get a piledriver CPU. For $20-$30 dollars more, you get a lot better performance than the Phenom II's best CPU (X6 1100T)
October 29, 2012 4:40:33 AM

Get a 7850 and it will blow away the 560ti for the same price. check the benchmarks.
October 29, 2012 6:40:13 AM

Ok so my next question would be is the fx 6300 going to show significant improvements in gamung over the 965 be considering most games dont use more than 2 cores afaik. ( no plans on playing bf3) mostly games like oblivion skyrim fallout and ofc D3.

As for the hd 7850 its nice abd definitly slighly stringer then the 560 in some aspects but not enough so to sway me off the nvidia cards. Is a 560 2gb a good card for the gamez mentioned above? Mostly play open world style rpgs and mmos.
October 29, 2012 9:30:18 AM

i got three builds (non of them have what your asking about cpu and that but there stronger you could probably play BF3 on high/ULTRA 1080p in most of them :) 
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Build 1:- INTEL
CPU: Intel Pentium G860 3.0GHz Dual-Core Processor ($68.99 @ Mac Mall)
Motherboard: ASRock H61M-DGS Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($44.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($25.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Hitachi Deskstar 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 660 2GB Video Card ($209.98 @ NCIX US)
Case: Rosewill REDBONE ATX Mid Tower Case ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Antec 450W ATX12V Power Supply ($35.83 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($15.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $506.75
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Build 2:- INTEL (with core i3) why core i3? because in the pc above you WILL LAGG in BF3 Multiplayer in 64MAN MULTIPLAYER MATCHES
CPU Intel Core i3-2100 3.1GHz Dual-Core Processor $109.99

Motherboard ASRock B75M Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard $64.99

Memory Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory $38.99

Video Card MSI GeForce GTX 660 2GB Video Card $239.98

Case Rosewill REDBONE ATX Mid Tower Case $34.99

Power Supply Antec Basiq 500W ATX12V Power Supply $48.99

Optical Drive Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer $15.99
(nothing much changed in this build i just threw in an upgraded PSU (450 to 500)
so you can Overclock. and i changed the CPU to an i3 and the mobo to a B75.
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CPU Intel Core i5-2300 2.8GHz Quad-Core Processor $179.99
Motherboard ASRock H61M-DGS Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard $39.99
Memory Pareema 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory $31.89
Storage Seagate Barracuda 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $54.99
Video Card Sapphire Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card $304.99
Power Supply Corsair Builder 430W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply

PSin the AMD build you still need a case and an optical drive the total would be just above 670~)

ALL OF THOSE are capable of running BF3 on high/ultra smoothly but the first build would lagg in ONLY AND ONLY 64 MAN MULTIPLAYER MATCHES that means it wouldn't lagg if the match had 32

Well,Enjoy
October 29, 2012 9:59:12 AM

Ty gor you answer but as stated earlier im partial to amd cpus and wont be buying an intel at all. Also ido not plan on playing bf3.
October 29, 2012 10:10:33 AM

heavymetal2000 said:
Ty gor you answer but as stated earlier im partial to amd cpus and wont be buying an intel at all. Also ido not plan on playing bf3.


ill figure somthing out for you but as for the moment thats all i can do :)  you should seriously think of going to intel

EDIT:i build you an AMD system :p  since i don't know your budget i just assumed you had 1k :D  and went craaaazy XD so here is the build :-

CPU AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor $179.99

CPU Cooler Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler $26.82

Motherboard MSI 990FXA-GD65V2 ATX AM3+ Motherboard $109.99

Memory Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory $39.99

Storage Samsung 830 Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk $109.99
Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $69.99 (i got you 2 storages)

Case Cooler Master Storm Enforcer ATX Mid Tower Case $84.99

Power Supply Rosewill Hive 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply $66.27

Optical Drive LG GH24NS90 DVD/CD Writer $17.99

Total: $920.99
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/lfZO
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i got another one costs you about 570$ :D  (just incase your budget wasn't that high for the rig above ^^
CPU: AMD A10-5800k
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212+ EVO
Motherboard: Any A75 based motherboard, strongly recommending OC-friendly ones
RAM: Any 2 x 4GB RAM while keeping my notes (DDR3-2133, 1.5v)
Power Supply: PC Power & Cooling Silencer MK III 400W
Hard Drive: Cheap 500GB or -smaller- if you are fine with it.
DVD Drive: Cheap DVD burner
Case: Cheap ATX mid-tower case, but must support tall CPU tower coolers and have at least 2 fans
(you choose the GPU i didn't have time to do that sorry :(  )

PS: in this build if your going to get a GPU i really SUGGEST raising the PSU to 500W+ :) 
EDIT: this build only costs 475$ without a gpu :)  So you can buy a good GPU for 100$ or so :p 
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/lg7t for the build :) 
October 29, 2012 11:10:36 AM

I mentioned in the initial post i needed pretty much a complete system minus the psu and dvd drive of which i have both already. (600W Psu) and 600$ Budget.

The whole reasoning behind going with the 965 BE over these ridiculously huge 8 core FX series cpu's is because id like a solid amd gaming pc on a budget. I'll never use an 8core Cpu to game it would be a waste of a CPU in my case honestly. and more expensive. I would liek to sooner go with my original cpu and spend up a bit on a good mobo and GPU so ic an overcloack a bit. I'll post what i came up with shortly would like some input on the components and there compatibility.
October 29, 2012 11:17:17 AM

heavymetal2000 said:
I mentioned in the initial post i needed pretty much a complete system minus the psu and dvd drive of which i have both already. (600W Psu) and 600$ Budget.

The whole reasoning behind going with the 965 BE over these ridiculously huge 8 core FX series cpu's is because id like a solid amd gaming pc on a budget. I'll never use an 8core Cpu to game it would be a waste of a CPU in my case honestly. and more expensive. I would liek to sooner go with my original cpu and spend up a bit on a good mobo and GPU so ic an overcloack a bit. I'll post what i came up with shortly would like some input on the components and there compatibility.


ill tell you if there compatible or not ^^
October 29, 2012 11:21:46 AM

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($139.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock 970 PRO3 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($67.55 @ Newegg)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($25.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital RE2 750GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: OCZ Agility 4 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($79.48 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 650 Ti 1GB Video Card ($134.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Zalman Z9 ATX Mid Tower Case ($36.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($15.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $585.96
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

October 29, 2012 11:25:55 AM

Tower Case: AMD Edition Thermaltake V3
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

Mobo: Biostar TA990FXE
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

CPU: AMD x4 965 BE
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

CPU Cooler: Thermaltake TR2-R1
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

Ram: Corsair Vengeance 2x 4gb ddr3 1866mhz
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

HDD: Generic just went with a WD Blue 1TB
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

GPU: EVGA GTX 560 1gb
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

I already have a 600 cooler master PSU i bought recently for my current rig which ill be using in this one.

So mainly are all these components compatible? To my untrained eye it would seem so but i may be wrong ideally i want to keep this build pretty clsoe to what its at right since it totals at about 680$ and im sure i could find cheaper prices then tiger direct. Also everyhting is BLACK and RED! :)  which doesnt hurt either.

thanks for any help possible with this and please no more intel talk, its absolutely out of the question as is a ATI Gpu unless it smokes the 560 for the same price or its a similar card for much less.



October 29, 2012 11:43:10 AM

heavymetal2000 said:
Tower Case: AMD Edition Thermaltake V3
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

Mobo: Biostar TA990FXE
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

CPU: AMD x4 965 BE
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

CPU Cooler: Thermaltake TR2-R1
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

Ram: Corsair Vengeance 2x 4gb ddr3 1866mhz
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

HDD: Generic just went with a WD Blue 1TB
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

GPU: EVGA GTX 560 1gb
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

I already have a 600 cooler master PSU i bought recently for my current rig which ill be using in this one.

So mainly are all these components compatible? To my untrained eye it would seem so but i may be wrong ideally i want to keep this build pretty clsoe to what its at right since it totals at about 680$ and im sure i could find cheaper prices then tiger direct. Also everyhting is BLACK and RED! :)  which doesnt hurt either.

thanks for any help possible with this and please no more intel talk, its absolutely out of the question as is a ATI Gpu unless it smokes the 560 for the same price or its a similar card for much less.


You can probably go with this HDD
Storage Seagate Barracuda 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $54.99 Saves you a bit
Try fitting a GTX 660 in your budget
Ram looks good although Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($25.99 @ Newegg) saves you about 40$ and its 1600MHz so get that ;) 

other than that the items are a match :) 
October 29, 2012 12:35:20 PM

OK so corsair vengeance or patriot viper? what are the main differences between the two other than price? 1600 Vs 1866? is lower better? Excuse my noobness very unsavy on the technical aspects of lots of this.

Quote:
CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($139.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock 970 PRO3 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($67.55 @ Newegg)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($25.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital RE2 750GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: OCZ Agility 4 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($79.48 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 650 Ti 1GB Video Card ($134.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Zalman Z9 ATX Mid Tower Case ($36.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($15.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $585.96
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)


This looks good and i wouldnt need the PSU since mine is 600w which should be fine right? also no need the optical drive.

Only question i have is with this mobo and CPU Vs. my selection of Mobo and CPU will there be any really noticeable differences when gaming performance wise? only asking cause 100% interested in knowing.

Also if im correct i could run this cpu on the mobo i have selected atm? is there a difference between the 2 mobo's ( ASRock 970 PRO3 ATX AM3+ Motherboard and Biostar TA990FXE )? performance stability or ease of use wise.
October 29, 2012 12:42:33 PM

heavymetal2000 said:
OK so corsair vengeance or patriot viper? what are the main differences between the two other than price? 1600 Vs 1866? is lower better? Excuse my noobness very unsavy on the technical aspects of lots of this.

Quote:
CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($139.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock 970 PRO3 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($67.55 @ Newegg)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($25.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital RE2 750GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: OCZ Agility 4 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($79.48 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 650 Ti 1GB Video Card ($134.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Zalman Z9 ATX Mid Tower Case ($36.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($15.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $585.96
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)


This looks good and i wouldnt need the PSU since mine is 600w which should be fine right? also no need the optical drive.

Only question i have is with this mobo and CPU Vs. my selection of Mobo and CPU will there be any really noticeable differences when gaming performance wise? only asking cause 100% interested in knowing.

Also if im correct i could run this cpu on the mobo i have selected atm? is there a difference between the 2 mobo's ( ASRock 970 PRO3 ATX AM3+ Motherboard and Biostar TA990FXE )? performance stability or ease of use wise.


if there are any diffrences between mobo is that you can fit some items more than the other mobo for example you can fit a G860+ upgrade it to an i5/i3 later on a Z72/B75 mobo that the diffrenece it doesnt improve preformance or anything like that and make sure that your mobo comes with usb port 3.0 the only thing that really matters is the CPU I suggest you stick with your original CPU now the other thing is the ram, no the more Mhz the better not the lower but im saying if you buy a Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory you can save almost 30$ im only suggesting that you downgrade from a Corsair vengenace to a Viper if you're really tight on the budget other than that i really suggest you go on with the corsair as it is faster. you're PSU should be fine (600W is plenty) i just hope that you consider fitting a Nvidia 660GTX into your budget as it will outpreform a 560 and is only 30$ more and if you really want to go for maximum GPU POWER i really advice going with a 7970 GHz Edition it costs alot so for now i just hope that you can fit a 660GTX 2GB GDDR5 into your budget :) 
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