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Problems turning camera in WoW (120 fps, but choppy)

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September 2, 2012 7:36:32 AM

Hey there. Whenever I turn my camera, the slower the more noticeable, my game gets really choppy. If anyone has has a similar problem or could help me, let me know please. Lowering settings does not help.

GTX 570

Just reformatted, all drivers up to date.

Not even sure if it's a Graphics Card issue, or not, but yea. I'll run and post anything needed.



Edit: It's not only WoW. It happens in Skyrim too. I don't remember it really happening in GW2 and SWtOR, but their cameras were a lot different. Just slower, really.



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Time of this report: 9/2/2012, 03:32:59
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Operating System: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit (6.1, Build 7600) (7600.win7_gdr.120503-2030)
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September 2, 2012 10:39:35 PM

Tested skyrim today. Same thing happens when I turn the camera. Auto detected to high settings.
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September 3, 2012 1:26:28 AM

I dont really get what you mean when you say turn the camera...I think what you could be experiencing is screen tearing. this happens when your fps is different from your refresh rate of your monitor. your monitor refresh rate is probably 60hz so any fps other than that will cause screen tearing when you move the on screen display around. it creates like jaggy edges and stuff. to prevent this you could enable vsync in game. this will cap your fps at 60...see if that solves your issue.
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September 3, 2012 8:27:50 PM

drums101 said:
I dont really get what you mean when you say turn the camera...I think what you could be experiencing is screen tearing. this happens when your fps is different from your refresh rate of your monitor. your monitor refresh rate is probably 60hz so any fps other than that will cause screen tearing when you move the on screen display around. it creates like jaggy edges and stuff. to prevent this you could enable vsync in game. this will cap your fps at 60...see if that solves your issue.



Basically the game looks great if I'm standing still or running in a straight line, but the second I turn the camera with the mouse in Skyrim and WoW, it gets choppy and skippy, almost. It looks like the fps is dropping a lot, but it doesn't according to Fraps. I didn't really notice it happening in GW2 and SWtOR, but the camera in that game is a lot slower, so I don't know. Still haven't installed those two to test it again.
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September 3, 2012 8:30:08 PM

yea this def seems like a screen tearing issue to me...try turning on or forcing vsync in the game control panel or the nvidia control panel...let me know if that helps
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September 3, 2012 8:33:10 PM

hmm I was pretty sure that was it....have you tried updating your drivers to the latest ones? maybe there is a fix for skyrim in there or something
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September 3, 2012 8:33:58 PM

drums101 said:
yea this def seems like a screen tearing issue to me...try turning on or forcing vsync in the game control panel or the nvidia control panel...let me know if that helps


Turned it to On in the control panel and Enabled it ingame, still same problem.
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September 3, 2012 8:36:50 PM

drums101 said:
hmm I was pretty sure that was it....have you tried updating your drivers to the latest ones? maybe there is a fix for skyrim in there or something


Yep, I've tried the newest beta driver 306.02 and 304.79 and the WQHL Test 301.42

Edit: Wiped and clean installed when trying new ones too.



UPDATE: Basically, whenever I'm running straight or not moving, the game is fine. Looks great. Whenever I turn my camera though, it gets really choppy and skippy and looks as if fps drops. The thing is, the fps doesn't drop, at least not much. It never goes under 100 in leveling zones and never under 40 even when in the middle of the Auction House on a busy server.

It shouldn't look this choppy when turning and I don't know if it's my Graphics Card or something else.
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September 3, 2012 9:51:39 PM

so this doesnt happen in all of your games? can you play a different game to check for sure that it is not a problem in those games...try a fast paced game like call of duty or something
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September 3, 2012 10:02:28 PM

drums101 said:
so this doesnt happen in all of your games? can you play a different game to check for sure that it is not a problem in those games...try a fast paced game like call of duty or something


Will take me a bit to download, but I will.
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September 3, 2012 10:48:47 PM

So I tried out my old ATI HD 4670 and it's still doing it! It can't be a Graphics Card problem then. What does that leave? Maybe CPU or Monitor?

I realized now that this topic is in the wrong section since it's not a Graphic problem.
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September 4, 2012 12:12:20 AM

its ok it doesnt need to move sections lol....i think its just a monitor thing...not really an issue (ie faulty) but maybe you just have really sensitive eyes for tearing. To make sure that its not the monitor you can try hooking another monitor/tv up to your system to rule that out.
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September 4, 2012 4:08:51 AM

Yea, think that's what I'm gonna do. Need to figure out what would be best though.
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September 4, 2012 5:10:17 AM

what are you options?
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September 4, 2012 5:18:59 AM

Honestly, idk. I've had this monitor so long, I'm not sure how much a good one would cost. Are there any you'd recommend?
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September 4, 2012 6:15:45 AM

I wouldnt jump to buying one yet...are there any other monitors/tvs around the house that you can hook up to your pc to test and see if the monitor/cable is indeed the problem?
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September 4, 2012 12:32:33 PM

drums101 said:
I wouldnt jump to buying one yet...are there any other monitors/tvs around the house that you can hook up to your pc to test and see if the monitor/cable is indeed the problem?


I'll look around after class today. See what I can do.
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September 4, 2012 1:05:06 PM

I agree with Drums, this sounds like either a cable or monitor problem. Same thing happened to me last year, and it just turned out to be a damaged pin.
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September 5, 2012 4:00:29 PM

The monitor is not the problem I'm starting to believe. Hooked it up to my TV 1920x1080 at 60Hz and set to PC mode. Same problem.

I am starting to notice how long it takes things to load sometimes though. When I loaded into Stormwind, a fountain didn't show up for about 5 seconds and I saw no people until I flew in and got a lot closer... Maybe this is where the problem is? What could be causing this? CPU? As I said before, I already made it so no cores park and my computer and Nvidia are set to Best Performance.

Edit: Another example is when I flew above the ship that's right above Stormwind, in the Northern Elwynn Mountains, none of the NPCs or Objects loaded until after I flew down and landed on it. They probably would have loaded after a couple more seconds, but still, 5 - 6 seconds to load something when I'm standing right there? o.O
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September 5, 2012 4:15:03 PM

Lol I been meaning to ask you is your avatar a picture of you being confused? Haha.......maybe if you monitor hdd usage while you are in game....see if its at 100% all the time or something weird that could lead to textures not loading and crap like this...also when you hooked your tv up to your pc did you use a different cable then the one you use to hook up your monitor?
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September 5, 2012 4:24:52 PM

drums101 said:
Lol I been meaning to ask you is your avatar a picture of you being confused? Haha.......maybe if you monitor hdd usage while you are in game....see if its at 100% all the time or something weird that could lead to textures not loading and crap like this...also when you hooked your tv up to your pc did you use a different cable then the one you use to hook up your monitor?



Hmm, I flew around for about 5 minutes and this is what it says: http://i.imgur.com/SF6Fz.jpg


Also, I used an HDMI cord instead of the DVI I normally use with my monitor.
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September 5, 2012 4:25:31 PM

I'm wondering if it's just you are sensitive to 60hz. I find with a 60hz monitor, turning makes everything look choppy (not really the laggy type of choppy, but you see scrambled images). However, with a 120hz monitor, you get a lot more images, and it's much smoother.

Another possible issue, which may be related to how Skyrim handles the mouse, is the mouse polling rate. If you have a real cheap mouse that has a slow polling rate, the game will get updated mouse positions much less often, causing a bit of an issue. Skyrim compounds this by not using your mouse drivers for position, but polls for mouse changes, then calculates its position based on how fast the mouse is moving one direction or another (this creates a laggy feel to me). This seems to show up in a lot of console ports. I hate it.
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September 5, 2012 4:25:59 PM

bystander said:
I'm wondering if it's just you are sensitive to 60hz. I find with a 60hz monitor, turning makes everything look choppy (not really the laggy type of choppy, but you see scrambled images). However, with a 120hz monitor, you get a lot more images, and it's much smoother.

Another possible issue, which may be related to how Skyrim handles the mouse, is the mouse polling rate. If you have a real cheap mouse that has a slow polling rate, the game will get updated mouse positions much less often, causing a bit of an issue. Skyrim compounds this by not using your mouse drivers for position, but polls for mouse changes, then calculates its position based on how fast the mouse is moving one direction or another (this creates a laggy feel to me). This seems to show up in a lot of console ports. I hate it.



I've had the same monitor for a long time, but not a computer this good. I bought this monitor with my last computer that I only spent 500 dollars on and never had a problem running on Good/High.

I did get a new mouse recently because my gaming one died. I went from the Logitche MX518 to a M705. The M705 is wireless and definitely not a gaming mouse. I hate it. :|
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September 5, 2012 4:28:40 PM

^^ I am in the same boat as you I am very sensitive to 60hz refresh rate feels way different and "choppier" than 120hz monitors....once you go 120hz you never go back lol......and valrath your hdd usage looks normal. what bystander is saying is totally possible your cpu usage and hdd usage look normal and i dont think they are causing the issue.
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September 5, 2012 4:28:42 PM

valrath21 said:
I've had the same monitor for a long time, but not a computer this good. I bought this monitor with my last computer that I only spent 500 dollars on and never had a problem running on Good/High.

I did get a new mouse recently because my gaming one died. I went from the Logitche MX518 to a M705. The M705 is wireless and definitely not a gaming mouse. I hate it. :|


If you can find a good gaming mouse to test, you may find it smooths things out some. A cheap wireless mouse is going to have choppy turning in comparison to a good gaming mouse.
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September 5, 2012 4:31:09 PM

drums101 said:
^^ I am in the same boat as you I am very sensitive to 60hz refresh rate feels way different and "choppier" than 120hz monitors....once you go 120hz you never go back lol......and valrath your hdd usage looks normal. what bystander is saying is totally possible your cpu usage and hdd usage look normal and i dont think they are causing the issue.



Maybe you guys are right, idk. I had one of my friends look at it, who doesn't wear glasses if that even matters, and he said it looked fine. I then had his brother look at it, who wears glasses like me, and he said it looked laggy and choppy. Need to look into having someone who knows about these things come see it, or something.
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September 5, 2012 4:31:52 PM

or try wearing contacts....lol jk but you still didnt answer my question about the avatar lol
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September 5, 2012 4:33:17 PM

drums101 said:
or try wearing contacts....lol jk but you still didnt answer my question about the avatar lol


Haha, it's actually my favorite rapper, not me at all. Kid Cudi.
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September 5, 2012 4:35:46 PM

shows you how much I know about the music scene....haha thats why I am on tomshardware not some music forum lol
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September 6, 2012 12:02:34 AM

drums101 said:
shows you how much I know about the music scene....haha thats why I am on tomshardware not some music forum lol


I swear, most people I show it to say it looks fine, but I have never had this problem. It's so noticeable to me that I can't even play. Is it just me? I wish I knew someone who played games AND worked with computers...
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September 6, 2012 12:26:56 AM

Your cheap mouse is likely making it look worse. A cheap wireless mouse will make things less smooth, and Skyrim is not the smoothest to begin with. A 120hz monitor would help too.
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September 6, 2012 1:15:14 AM

bystander said:
Your cheap mouse is likely making it look worse. A cheap wireless mouse will make things less smooth, and Skyrim is not the smoothest to begin with. A 120hz monitor would help too.


Haha I'd love a 120 Hz monitor, but currently unemployed and I'm sure even the cheapest is a pretty good chunk of money. I am buying a Razer Naga though. Need a gaming mouse, even if it's not the problem.
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September 6, 2012 1:25:04 PM

I had to look at it again in fullscreen to notice that it did look to bounce a bit. It looked a bit like a hand held camera. That might suggest the input was not smooth. Leaning towards the mouse as the culprit.
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September 7, 2012 7:52:29 AM

bystander said:
I had to look at it again in fullscreen to notice that it did look to bounce a bit. It looked a bit like a hand held camera. That might suggest the input was not smooth. Leaning towards the mouse as the culprit.



Well, purchased a new, gaming mouse. Should be coming in shortly and we shall see.
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September 7, 2012 8:05:28 AM

The camera spinning looks indeed choppy. I agree with bystander, because if you look at the frostblood vanquisher, its wings are moving very smoothly. Camera, however, is not.
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September 8, 2012 10:06:56 PM

Just found out it's doing it on Rift too. I'm almost tempted to uninstall Retail or even reformat, again and test games without downloading WoW...

Still gotta wait awhile until I get my mouse...
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September 23, 2012 4:26:52 AM

I recently noticed the SAME exact thing happening to me. Games like WoW/Borderlands 2/Skyrim aswell. Using a GTX 670.

Having gone through the whole troubleshooting thing of rolling back drivers and adjusting a hundred settings in all games, I'm leaning toward it being my mouse but I can't replicate it reliably outside of games. (MSPaint Jaggies, etc.)

Let me know if replacing your mouse fixes the issue; I'd really like to solve this- making me paranoid that my video card is bad. Like you, however, I'm getting 120+ frames in WoW; just very choppy turning.

I'm using a 120HZ BenQ monitor; i7 2700k; and Samsung 830s for storage. I'm going to dig out an old mouse tomorrow and see if it does the same thing. Otherwise I'll do another fresh reformat, even though this one was just done last week.
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