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October 29, 2012 9:49:12 PM

I'm looking for an over the over the top extreme custom built rig for my new house. I have seen many that i could build one for close to 18-19k but I'm looking for one with a 25k budget including 3 monitors. I want extreme graphics to play on ultra settings at best resolution; need an outstanding (frame-rate) and low latency. Best suggestions with thread of your list might win you $100 crisp bill (Tax Free). :bounce: 

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October 29, 2012 10:06:01 PM

Too much to spend on a pc whose components will become obsolete in a couple years. Save your money and build reasonably.

i7 quad core + 3x680sli (or 3x7970 ghz) tower for around $3000
3 x 2560x1440 monitors ~$2000-3000
Complete costume liquid cooling loops ~1000-1400

That will let you max out games at whopping 4320x2560 no problem. You could also always add a fourth 680/7970 but that won't add that much more power.

I really wouldn't spend much more than that. Save the remaining 15k or so and build another one in a couple years
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October 29, 2012 10:25:37 PM

Your prob right but just trying to get an idea what would be the best items for my new HAF X nVidia Ed case.
-So far i got Asus Sabertooth x79
Intel extreme 3960 i7
Corsair platinum 64 mb
- working on buying soon dual nVidia 4gb cards and rest of stuff i will need. I will re use my thermaltake Toughpower 1500w and sound-blaster recon card. Just wondering if liquid cooling is work the investment or not yet.
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October 29, 2012 10:33:33 PM

Well I will get this best you can do but it won't be that much lol.
motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
cpu 3770k
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
3x 7970
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
1000w psu
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
16gb
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Blu ray drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
2x 256gb ssd
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
2tb hard drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
3x 1440p monitors
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
windows 7 home premium
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
3x crossfire bridge
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Total price $5244
I don't think you know how cheap computer parts are know. Anyone on this site can vouche for me that this is a state of the art computer and will still be 4+ years from now possibly. But consider if you will regret this 2 years from now that will be able to do the same thing for half the price. This is a really good pc and will probably blow away any game there is right now. Also I left room for you to get another 7970 if you think you need one. But you won't notice anything past 60 fps, just a warning. Also I could easily half the price of this pc for almost the same price.
Also neither of these are included in the price here is a water cooler for your cpu
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
and here is a really good air cooler
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
good luck. Also I'm good if you wanna give me three games if you end up with my build lol.








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October 29, 2012 10:34:09 PM

I will work on the monitors this week so i can the three joined together and connect them with 2x SAPPHIRE TOXIC HD 7970 GHz Edition 6GB GDDR5
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October 29, 2012 10:35:44 PM

bgp0231 said:
Your prob right but just trying to get an idea what would be the best items for my new HAF X nVidia Ed case.
-So far i got Asus Sabertooth x79
Intel extreme 3960 i7
Corsair platinum 64 mb
- working on buying soon dual nVidia 4gb cards and rest of stuff i will need. I will re use my thermaltake Toughpower 1500w and sound-blaster recon card. Just wondering if liquid cooling is work the investment or not yet.

K well if that is what you already have, get the 7970's I mentioned. THey are more powerful than the 680 for less money. Don't get the crappy 4gb 680. Everything else in my build I would keep.
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October 29, 2012 10:56:05 PM

Seriously overkill for gaming...but you do have the budget...

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-3960X Extreme Edition 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor ($949.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 SE2011 CPU Cooler ($81.87 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus Rampage IV Extreme EATX LGA2011 Motherboard ($399.99 @ NCIX US)
Memory: Samsung 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($49.00 @ B&H)
Memory: Samsung 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($49.00 @ B&H)
Storage: OCZ Vertex 4 512GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($399.99 @ Microcenter)
Storage: OCZ Vertex 4 512GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($399.99 @ Microcenter)
Storage: OCZ Z-Drive R2 M84 512GB PCI-E Solid State Disk ($1801.77 @ B&H)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 690 4GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($1199.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 690 4GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($1199.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: SeaSonic Platinum 1000W 80 PLUS Platinum Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($229.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: HP ZR30w 30.0" Monitor ($1139.00 @ B&H)
Monitor: HP ZR30w 30.0" Monitor ($1139.00 @ B&H)
Monitor: HP ZR30w 30.0" Monitor ($1139.00 @ B&H)
Total: $10178.57
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

You could spend less on the CPU and motherboard by sticking with the 1155 socket for just an i7 which would give you 95% of the performance of the 2011 socket chips for a ton less.

The recommended monitors are a must! No way you do not get 30" IPS panels for that budget!!! You would be an idiot not to!

I have no idea what case you should get but for 3xSLI or 4xSLI, they should be water cooled.

Get yourself a nice keyboard like a Ducky Shine 2: http://tigerimports.net/sunshop/index.php?l=product_lis...
I don't see why you aren't going with a mechanical board.

Please get yourself nice audio gear! This is very important to enjoying your games!
You should ask around on www.head-fi.org as that is THE go-to audiophile forum.
Once you get some recommendations for headphone and DAC/amp combos, try to demo them at local stores.
My starting recommendation is the Beyerdynamic DT880 250ohm Premium headphone paired with an Astro Mixamp: http://www.amazon.com/BEYER-DYNAMIC-DT880-Pro-Headphone...
Obviously there is much better but I think this is one you can't go wrong with. Most, if not all, "gaming" headphones are crap, regardless of price. All that advertised "surround" sound they offer is pseudo surround sound. So you MUST get an audiophile grade headphone! Good sound makes games enjoyable! Think of what a movie becomes when you mute it!

Also if you game a lot, PLEASE get a nice chair! My recommendation is the Steelcase Leap or HumanScale Freedom chair: http://www.amazon.com/HumanScale-Freedom-Chair-Headrest...
Try one out at a local Healthy Back store to see which chair you like! You sit while you game, at least enjoy sitting! It is good for your back too!
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October 29, 2012 11:05:34 PM

DON'T GET A 690. All a 690 is, is 2 underclocked 680's sliing together. I would get three 7970's or four, even though you don't really need more than 2 to be honest.
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October 29, 2012 11:33:46 PM

lt_dan_zsu said:
DON'T GET A 690. All a 690 is, is 2 underclocked 680's sliing together. I would get three 7970's or four, even though you don't really need more than 2 to be honest.

But for 3x30" monitors? Go with at least 3 cards. It would be a shame if a 10k build can't get 60 frames on Metro 2033.


Honestly, most of the recommended builds are going to be VERY similar in real world usage. It will come down to some sort of i7 (1155 or 2011) with 3 or 4 GPUs in SLI or Xfire. With that many cards, you will want to liquid cool. Also with that kind of money, there shouldn't be an HDDs in there - all SSDs for storage, especially a PCI SSD for OS and programs!

Performance wise, a 10k build will be very similar to a 15k or even a 25k build. BUT if you want a build that will really make a difference, PERIPHERALS (everything that isn't in the case) will be the most important. You don't throw 4 quad turbocharged W16 engine into a Honda Civic and that is why you get nice monitors (30" IPS), keyboard (high quality mechanical), audio equipment (audiophile grade headphones or speakers), and chair (high-end ergonomic) for your setup.

So refer to my previous post for all the accessories that should accompany a very high budget build.
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October 29, 2012 11:44:28 PM

Well yeah I would get 3 7970's. With that and since the new drivers will be out soon. I would guess that you will probably get about 60 fps in metro. Which you need to remember is the hardest game to run currently. That game is kinda a gpu destroyer. Almost nothing gets 60fps.
EDIT
Also screen size doesn't affect performance.
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October 29, 2012 11:57:25 PM

lt_dan_zsu said:
Well yeah I would get 3 7970's. With that and since the new drivers will be out soon. I would guess that you will probably get about 60 fps in metro. Which you need to remember is the hardest game to run currently. That game is kinda a gpu destroyer. Almost nothing gets 60fps.
EDIT
Also screen size doesn't affect performance.


Screen size doesn't affect performance, but resolution does! 30" is 2560x1600 while 27" is 2560x1440. No one should ever game with 3x27" monitors as the aspect ratio is 16:9. The recommended and better aspect ratio for computer usage is 16:10.

If you look at anandtech benchmarks for the GTX680 for Metro 2033 on ultra settings, it only gets ~37fps @ 2560x1600. That is why I recommended 2xGTX690s. Just easier to install and cool. Plus more mobos to pick from. If not Quad SLI or Xfire is the way to go.
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October 30, 2012 12:18:02 AM

Some tips:
1) 3xCrossfire eliminates much of the micro-stutter that a 2x solution has.
*SLI has much better support than Crossfire. My advice is this:
3xGTX680 4GB
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

The BEST card for this IMO is the Gigabyte version (Canadian link above).

2) Do NOT use RAID for your SSD. This will eliminate TRIM and a good SSD is incredibly fast anyway. OCZ Vertex 4, or Samsung 830/840 are good choices.

*Do NOT waste money on 2x512GB of SSD's when prices are falling so quickly. Get a 256GB and if you fill it up then upgrade. SSD's are 3x cheaper now than less than TWO years ago!

**You can MOVE your STEAM folder if need be. For example, in two years if the 256GB is full, simply MOVE it to a new 512GB SSD. (I have a 1TB Hard Drive used for nothing but STEAM. It also makes backup of the C-drive much smaller.).

3) Windows/apps need a 120GB SSD. On this build, get a 256GB SSD.

4) WD 2TB or similar hard drive for BACKUPS of your C-drive, downloads etc.

5) Monitor-> Dell U2711. Only slight drawback is slightly grainy anti-gloss. If you are in the BASEMENT, get a GLOSSY screen like Apple has.
- Make sure your monitor has a low enough refresh for gaming.
- read reviews carefully
- Dell replaced my monitor in one day under their 3-year Warranty (upgradeable to 5-year for $100)
- my monitor had a firmware issue but I didn't bother sending it back. It scales incorrectly but it's fine when I do scaling on the GPU (change in the drivers). Therefore the GPU scales everything to 2560x1440 before sending to monitor.

6) The WORST advice I've seen so far is a 2xGTX690. A GTX690 has only 2GB per GPU (essentially a 2xGTX670 2GB). Not only is this a 4xSLI setup which isn't a good idea yet, but you only have a 2GB buffer for all three screens! Video RAM isn't added in SLI, it's cloned.

7) RAM:
The best RAM you can get is something like I just bought.
G. Skill 2133MHz
http://www.ncix.ca/products/?sku=66138&vpn=F3%2D17000CL...
*The above is a CANADIAN LINK. Anyway, you should get something like that that has:
a) 2133MHz or close,
b) lower latency (lower than 11-11-11... )
c) $150 or less for 16GB (8GB is plenty for a gamer, and you will not benefit unless you do demanding video/photo work or VM's, or RAM cache but heck, it sounds COOL to have that much... )
You WILL actually benefit from the higher frequency RAM with that setup. 1600MHz is great for most but will at times bottleneck you with your setup.

8) COOLING:
- stick with the Noctua NH-D14 or similar for air cooling.
- Liquid cooling like Corsair H100 I don't normally recommend due to possible pump noise but it will help eliminate heat from the case which you need due to your three graphics cards
- Corsair has some great cases like the 600T
http://www.corsair.com/en/pc-cases/graphite-series-pc-c...

9) My BEST advice is to take your time with this, do your research for each part and when you think you've sorted it out then take a BREAK for a week and come back to it.

What you're doing can be difficult at times.

SUMMARY OF MY BEST ADVICE:
- 3x (GTX680 4GB) SLI setup
- Corsair 600T case
- 2133MHz, low-latency DDR3 RAM
(8GB is fine, 16GB is overkill but sounds cool)
- monitor, ensure reviews say it's good for gaming
(U2711 should be on your list)
- SSD, get a single 256GB if that's enough for now
- SSD, don't RAID
- 2TB hard drive, for mass storage, possibly STEAM folder
- cooling, think carefully

TAKE. YOUR. TIME.
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October 30, 2012 12:21:57 AM

But if he got 3 or 4 7970's that would blow 2 690's put of the water for a lot less money and his psu will easily support it. and i know resolution affects performance lol.
edit
photon boy about that sli thing you said. AMD's cards are getting a lot better in novemeber. Almost a 10% increase for every card in the 7000 series. So that is also something to look at. I think bf3 got like a 20 fps jump not exaggerating either.
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October 30, 2012 12:36:08 AM

*Please confirm if you have BOUGHT anything.

**You may wish to consider an E-ATX motherboard and case. It means "extended" ATX as the motherboard is slightly longer for an extra slot.

I recommend 1155 socket, Z77. Here's a Gigabyte E-ATX board:
http://www.ncix.ca/products/?sku=76539

Here's another board from Asus I like, but I think it's just ATX:
http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel_Socket_1155/Maxi...

AUDIO?
Just remember, if you get THREE cards (recommended over two due to micro-stutter) you'll run out of space for other cards, such as audio.

So make sure you are happy with the audio solution. Some expensive boards have better CREATIVE solutions. The latest Realtek onboard is "okay" but I did notice a huge difference going back to my Auzentech X-Fi Forte card.
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October 30, 2012 12:39:11 AM

lt_dan_zsu said:
But if he got 3 or 4 7970's that would blow 2 690's put of the water for a lot less money and his psu will easily support it. and i know resolution affects performance lol.
edit
photon boy about that sli thing you said. AMD's cards are getting a lot better in novemeber. Almost a 10% increase for every card in the 7000 series. So that is also something to look at. I think bf3 got like a 20 fps jump not exaggerating either.


I have no issue with the cards, it's the superior support for multi-card that NVidia has. SLI is simply superior to Crossfire.

AMD's future is also not looking bright. They just had a large lay-off and Intel is starting to push them out of the CPU market. I'm not sure how that will affect driver support in a few years (or even now).

Back to the GPU issue:
1-GPU:
minimum issues, but not enough power for three monitors

2-GPU:
micro-stutter issues, but enough power for most games (not all)

3-GPU:
solves MOST of the micro-stutter issues, and even more power for demanding games

4-GPU:
not generally supported; not a good idea
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October 30, 2012 12:46:21 AM

Drivers for amd are even better now as I said about the 12.11 drivers. And based on my experience sli is difficult and unreliable and cfx is easy. Also the 680 is weaker than the 7970.

Also at bgp. Please list all parts that you already. We can't really help you if you don't tell us what to we have to work with.
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October 30, 2012 1:26:27 AM

Haha that's awesome lol.
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October 30, 2012 1:47:22 AM

I'd actually agree with a lot of ohhgourami's sentiments. You start to hit really extreme diminishing returns for gaming performance after a few thousand dollars, but even with bleeding edge price premiums it's almost impossible to spend 25k on the hardware, and you should absolutely allocate a sizable part of that budget towards buying the best possible peripherals. It doesn't matter what's under the hood if you aren't getting the most out of the experience because of a poor interface between man and machine. He gives some great advice for picking out things like monitors, keyboard, chair, headset, etc.

You mentioned you already have the case, power supply, and sound card. Here's what I came up with for the rest:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-3960X Extreme Edition 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor ($949.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Asus Rampage IV Extreme EATX LGA2011 Motherboard ($399.99 @ NCIX US)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($314.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($314.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: OCZ Z-Drive R2 P88 512GB PCI-E Solid State Disk ($2276.82 @ B&H)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 512GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($599.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 512GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($599.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition 3GB Video Card (CrossFire) ($413.78 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition 3GB Video Card (CrossFire) ($413.78 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition 3GB Video Card (CrossFire) ($413.78 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Plextor PX-LB950SA Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($164.98 @ Newegg)
Monitor: HP ZR30w 30.0" Monitor ($1139.00 @ B&H)
Monitor: HP ZR30w 30.0" Monitor ($1139.00 @ B&H)
Monitor: HP ZR30w 30.0" Monitor ($1139.00 @ B&H)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate Full (32/64-bit) ($249.95 @ Adorama)
Total: $10530.03
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)


This is an insane beast of a build. As pointed out earlier, I wouldn't bother trying to RAID the SSDs together; just put your OS and primary apps on the PCI-E Z-Drive, and then secondary storage on the Samsung 940 Pros. You could add a bunch more of those if you need more space for some reason.

Throw in a custom watercooling kit and the aforementioned peripherals and you will be in PC hog heaven. No game will be able to tame this monster, and you'll have pretty much untouchable bragging rights to boot.
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October 30, 2012 2:01:38 AM

photonboy said:
*Please confirm if you have BOUGHT anything.

**You may wish to consider an E-ATX motherboard and case. It means "extended" ATX as the motherboard is slightly longer for an extra slot.

I recommend 1155 socket, Z77. Here's a Gigabyte E-ATX board:
http://www.ncix.ca/products/?sku=76539

Here's another board from Asus I like, but I think it's just ATX:
http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel_Socket_1155/Maxi...

AUDIO?
Just remember, if you get THREE cards (recommended over two due to micro-stutter) you'll run out of space for other cards, such as audio.

So make sure you are happy with the audio solution. Some expensive boards have better CREATIVE solutions. The latest Realtek onboard is "okay" but I did notice a huge difference going back to my Auzentech X-Fi Forte card.

I thought the GTX690s had 4gb per GPU. Never mind about that then. 4x680s it should be!

AUDIO? There is something called external DACs and amps ran via USB. Also reduces noise and jitter since it is external. Integrated sound is crap. Can't drive a headphone well and the circuitry is garbage. I have a hard time recommending PCI soundcards too.
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October 30, 2012 2:12:39 AM

Also, for the amount of cash you're planning to drop on this thing, I would consider returning that HAF X and getting a highly customizable chassis from CaseLabs instead.

http://caselabs-store.com/
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October 30, 2012 2:15:06 AM

i don't know why you would get such an expensive bluray drive
I would probably get something like this
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Also if you care about saving some money you could get this motherboard instead
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Also I see no reason for you to get so much ram.
Why not get 16gb? You could probably do with 8
I think I would get this ram
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
If you can't get from NCIX get it from newegg
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
unfortunatley it's more expensive.
You should also look at these monitors
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
they will be a little cheaper, and it will strain those gpu's less. Also I don't quite understand why you would get ultimate, unless you did things other than gaming.



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October 30, 2012 2:20:54 AM

ohhgourami said:
I thought the GTX690s had 4gb per GPU. Never mind about that then. 4x680s it should be!

AUDIO? There is something called external DACs and amps ran via USB. Also reduces noise and jitter since it is external. Integrated sound is crap. Can't drive a headphone well and the circuitry is garbage. I have a hard time recommending PCI soundcards too.


The Auzentech Forte X-Fi is a really awesome card. I've had it for two years. I thought it died (was my motherboard) and did some research recently and couldn't find a better replacement. Part of the problem was the outputs. It supports BOTH a stereo and 7.1 at the same time. I have it hooked to my M-Audio AV40 stereo speakers AND my surround sound headphones at the same time.

*I have no experience with USB audio, I agree that most onboard audio is crap (there are some good Creative X-Fi instead of Realtek options).

While I'd definitely recommend the Auzentech, if he goes 3xSLI/Crossfire he likely won't have room. Even if he DID have a slot free he has to be careful that it doesn't lower the BANDWIDTH on one of the graphic cards slots.

**COOLING:
Since he has the money, I think he should really look into a water cooling system that supports THREE CARDS, and the CPU. It's difficult to get that setup correct as many solutions aren't done right. Yep, it sure gets complicated...
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October 30, 2012 2:24:32 AM

lt_dan_zsu said:
i don't know why you would get such an expensive bluray drive
I would probably get something like this
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Also if you care about saving some money you could get this motherboard instead
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Also I see no reason for you to get so much ram.
Why not get 16gb? You could probably do with 8
I think I would get this ram
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
If you can't get from NCIX get it from newegg
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
unfortunatley it's more expensive.
You should also look at these monitors
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
they will be a little cheaper, and it will strain those gpu's less. Also I don't quite understand why you would get ultimate, unless you did things other than gaming.


It seems to me that if the OP is looking to spend such an insane amount of money on a rig, he wants the absolute best stuff and the ability to shrug off any workload for several years to come. I mean yeah, you could shave several thousands of dollars off that build and get close to the same performance for gaming, but unless I'm mistaken he's not as worried about saving money as crazy bragging rights. He said in the thread title he wants 'extreme' and 'over the top', so that's what I gave him.

If OP wants to weigh in on this, it's your call. You could definitely spend a lot less and still get a phenomenal gaming rig.

As for Windows Ultimate, it was actually cheaper than Pro. Can't use all that RAM with Home Premium.
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October 30, 2012 2:29:25 AM

I know what you were doing, but I don't see why he would want any of that. In all honesty the changes I made would literally make no difference in how the pc performs. An, $7000-$8000 pc still gives you crazy bragging rights lol.
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October 30, 2012 2:30:57 AM

lt_dan_zsu said:
i don't know why you would get such an expensive bluray drive
I would probably get something like this
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Also if you care about saving some money you could get this motherboard instead
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Also I see no reason for you to get so much ram.
Why not get 16gb? You could probably do with 8
I think I would get this ram
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
If you can't get from NCIX get it from newegg
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
unfortunatley it's more expensive.
You should also look at these monitors
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
they will be a little cheaper, and it will strain those gpu's less. Also I don't quite understand why you would get ultimate, unless you did things other than gaming.


Points:
- I agree that 8GB is plenty. I did recommend some 2133MHz G. Skill, low-latency DDR3 above somewhere. I did a lot of research to pick that. I got 16GB for non-gaming reasons.

- BluRay burners vary a lot in quality/support. Here is my recommend after a LOT of researching:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

- Monitors "stressing" the GPU's?
Not sure what you mean. The only "stress" on a GPU has to do with the resolution and those are still 2560x1440. Also, you can CHANGE the resolution which brings me to a very important point:

*Just because you can set the resolution to 2560x1440 in a game does NOT mean it's a good idea. If you can crank the quality to the highest and get 60FPS with no hiccups then do it, great but the game often looks IDENTICAL to 1920x1080. Games like Diablo 3 (top-down) with small text are exceptions.

In MOST GAMES (shooters especially) you're likely far better off to go with 1920x1080, or in the case of three monitors (3x 2560x1440), set the resolution to this:

5760x1080

(instead of 7680x1440)
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October 30, 2012 2:34:13 AM

Windows 8 PRO:
It's currently about $110 at TigerDirect in CANADA. It wasn't on sale at the US site. Maybe there's a SALE somewhere else?
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October 30, 2012 2:36:45 AM

I wouldn't get windows 8 yet, it is making some games perform worse. BUT, they will probably fix that. So you could go either way honestly.
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October 30, 2012 2:40:20 AM

lt_dan_zsu said:
I wouldn't get windows 8 yet, it is making some games perform worse. BUT, they will probably fix that. So you could go either way honestly.


I have Windows 8. I would definitely recommend it.
There are several good reasons to get it that aren't obvious:
- more secure
- better file management
- easier to recover from corrupted files
- better boot and shutdown times

The ONLY issue I have is with the new screen which I'm currently avoiding with "Start8" from Stardock for $5 (on the 30-day trial).

Windows 8 is a big investment and Microsoft will quickly fix any minor issues.
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October 30, 2012 2:44:26 AM

Keep in mind I picked out the 'full' version for no fuss reusability, and not the OEM which could be picked up for closer to $100.
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October 30, 2012 2:50:39 AM

Yeah, but windows 8 is debatable right now. I am sure everything will be fixed. The only problem I have with it is that the homescreen seems kind of awful.
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October 30, 2012 3:52:05 AM

I have solved the problem - spend < 5K on a gamming computer and then spend 20K on a Mac

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fidHMTU3FXs (Most Expensive Mac Pro | $20,039.95)

- then you can tell all the ifans that you refuse to use the Mac on account that the mouse doesn't work right
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October 30, 2012 6:22:30 AM

photonboy said:
The Auzentech Forte X-Fi is a really awesome card. I've had it for two years. I thought it died (was my motherboard) and did some research recently and couldn't find a better replacement. Part of the problem was the outputs. It supports BOTH a stereo and 7.1 at the same time. I have it hooked to my M-Audio AV40 stereo speakers AND my surround sound headphones at the same time.

*I have no experience with USB audio, I agree that most onboard audio is crap (there are some good Creative X-Fi instead of Realtek options).

While I'd definitely recommend the Auzentech, if he goes 3xSLI/Crossfire he likely won't have room. Even if he DID have a slot free he has to be careful that it doesn't lower the BANDWIDTH on one of the graphic cards slots.

**COOLING:
Since he has the money, I think he should really look into a water cooling system that supports THREE CARDS, and the CPU. It's difficult to get that setup correct as many solutions aren't done right. Yep, it sure gets complicated...


I've heard some decent things about the Forte, but I don't think its as highly regarded by audiophiles who have medium budgets ($300+) for DAC/amps. I believe no headphone is really 7.1 or 5.1 so you might as well get as good as a 2.0 system as possible. I think you can still create the impression of surround sound if get you a soundcard that supports that format and has coaxial or TOSLINK out to connect to a DAC, or use the DAC section of the soundcard and output via RCA to an amp.

Actually with such a high budget, this is probably the easier solution: http://aphroditecu29.com/Beyerdynamic/Beyerdynamic_Ampl...
It is the Beyerdynamic Headzone Surround Amplifier With DT880 Headphones for $1700.

But for that kind of money, you can get a much much better sounding headphone which would make a much bigger difference. That's actually about the amount of spent for the headphone gear on my desk, except my headphone cost $1200 while my DAC/amp is only $350. It only supports 2.0 format, but I can guarantee my setup sounds a hell of a lot better than the best surround sound DAC/amp with a $300 headphone. Headphone makes the biggest difference in how things sound like how a high-end GPU gives you the highest frames, not CPU. Obviously there are bottlenecks, but that is general rule of thumb.

This is the headphone I recommend: http://www.amazon.com/Beyerdynamic-T1-Audiofile-Stereo-...
It is my 2nd favorite headphone and fits the taste of more people compared to mine.

The main benefit in all this nice audio gear will be in music. IT SHOULD BLOW YOUR MIND!

And with this recommendation, he/she can fit 4 GPUs on his mobo to get higher frames!
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October 30, 2012 7:38:17 AM

ohhgourami said:
I've heard some decent things about the Forte, but I don't think its as highly regarded by audiophiles who have medium budgets ($300+) for DAC/amps. I believe no headphone is really 7.1 or 5.1 so you might as well get as good as a 2.0 system as possible. I think you can still create the impression of surround sound if get you a soundcard that supports that format and has coaxial or TOSLINK out to connect to a DAC, or use the DAC section of the soundcard and output via RCA to an amp.

Actually with such a high budget, this is probably the easier solution: http://aphroditecu29.com/Beyerdynamic/Beyerdynamic_Ampl...
It is the Beyerdynamic Headzone Surround Amplifier With DT880 Headphones for $1700.

But for that kind of money, you can get a much much better sounding headphone which would make a much bigger difference. That's actually about the amount of spent for the headphone gear on my desk, except my headphone cost $1200 while my DAC/amp is only $350. It only supports 2.0 format, but I can guarantee my setup sounds a hell of a lot better than the best surround sound DAC/amp with a $300 headphone. Headphone makes the biggest difference in how things sound like how a high-end GPU gives you the highest frames, not CPU. Obviously there are bottlenecks, but that is general rule of thumb.

This is the headphone I recommend: http://www.amazon.com/Beyerdynamic-T1-Audiofile-Stereo-...
It is my 2nd favorite headphone and fits the taste of more people compared to mine.

The main benefit in all this nice audio gear will be in music. IT SHOULD BLOW YOUR MIND!

And with this recommendation, he/she can fit 4 GPUs on his mobo to get higher frames!


Points:
1. There are several 5.1/7.1 headphones for PC's.

2. No point in going NUTS on audio recommendations unless he gives an idea what he's aiming for.

3. You need to be CAREFUL when choosing headphones. Some are designed for computer outputs and some are designed for expensive stereos. You probably realize this and are recommending he hook up the Beyerdynamic's to his amplifier.

4. The audio issue is so confusing to the uninformed that I think it's best dealt with at a later date. Maybe he should concentrate on getting the gaming rig up and running for now.

5. If he can find a good 1155/Z77 motherboard with a Creative audio chip which also supports 3xSLI (if he gets 3x GTX6804GB) that might be the easiest way to go. He can always DISABLE the audio chip in the UEFI (BIOS) if it's not to his needs.
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October 30, 2012 7:53:13 AM

Gigabyte Sniper 3
Z77 board with Creative audio.

I saw this in a review"
"The audio offered by the Gigabyte G1.Sniper M3 is very nearly the best audio I have ever heard, bar none.. "

The above board uses a new CREATIVE chip rather than the inferior Realtek.
http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=...

Unless I missed something, this seems perfect for your needs.
*I also recommend the Intel i7-3770K and simply overclock it with a good cooler (Noctua NH-D14 or water cooling) to 4.5GHz max. You can get a 3x more expensive, 6-core CPU but you should first find a review that doesn't tell you that's a waste of money (since games can't use more than four cores anyway.
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October 30, 2012 8:28:33 AM

photonboy said:
Gigabyte Sniper 3
Z77 board with Creative audio.

I saw this in a review"
"The audio offered by the Gigabyte G1.Sniper M3 is very nearly the best audio I have ever heard, bar none.. "

The above board uses a new CREATIVE chip rather than the inferior Realtek.
http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=...

Unless I missed something, this seems perfect for your needs.
*I also recommend the Intel i7-3770K and simply overclock it with a good cooler (Noctua NH-D14 or water cooling) to 4.5GHz max. You can get a 3x more expensive, 6-core CPU but you should first find a review that doesn't tell you that's a waste of money (since games can't use more than four cores anyway.

There are a few headphones with TRUE 5.1/7.1 , while many are pseudo 5.1/7.1. True 5.1/7.1 will probably run you a couple hundred and may or not sound good.

I'll admit I'm pushing a lot of audio info on this guy and you're right. He SHOULD take his time to do some research and demoing on his own. The recommendations I gave were things he should aim for. He did ask for an over-the-top gaming rig.

It took me many months to find my right headphone and it took more time to find a nice DAC and amp to pair with it. People have different taste so demoing is the best option if he has a local audio store that carries a lot of headphones (50+).

Since his budget is high, the mobo will probably come with a "decent" audio section. He can use it for now, but there is no arguing that external DACs are much better. The reviewer you refer to has no credibility to me. "Best audio I have ever heard, bar none..." means nothing to me. The reviewer could have possibly only heard audio out of integrated mobo section his whole life. Most people haven't heard what true high-end audio really is.

The new Creative chip doesn't mean much to me either. Merely throwing marketing around. In high-end audio, Creative chips aren't used at all. The really good DACs usually use chips from Sabre, Burr Brown, or AKM; even then, there are different tiers in chips. And chips don't mean a damn thing without good implementation, clean power source, jitter reduction, etc etc. I can go on all day about this since the science behind good audio is VERY complex.

Anyway, there is no denying that true audiophile grade audio devices trumps any audio gear market towards gamers. I have personally tried and demoed a wide variety of headphones (along with source components) marketed toward both audiophiles and games, and there is no comparison. I felt I have given a pretty decent audio recommendation for this "ultimate gaming rig". Whether or not the OP is even interested is a completely different question.
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October 30, 2012 8:45:37 AM

OP did say in his first post he has a discrete sound card he's planning to re-use. Not that the very detailed audio advice isn't great, just that he may have already met his needs on that front. :) 
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October 30, 2012 8:50:51 AM

Liquid cool your cpu and use 3 7970s waterblock cooled.
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October 30, 2012 12:41:59 PM

ckholt83 said:
OP did say in his first post he has a discrete sound card he's planning to re-use. Not that the very detailed audio advice isn't great, just that he may have already met his needs on that front. :) 


Not sure where he stands currently as many recommend 3xSLI/Crossfire and that leaves no room for an audio card.
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October 30, 2012 1:05:42 PM

when you say 25k build, you mean $2,500 right? You weren't considering spending twenty five thousand dollars on a computer, were you? In that case, buy a car :D 
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October 30, 2012 2:01:42 PM

Firstly I have to say this is an insane waste of cash you could buy a super high end gaming rig with under 3k including monitors then blow the other 22k on the finest hookers known to mankind flown to you from all over the world..... however if you already did the hooker thing here is what I would blow the cash on for mad bragging

ASUS VG Series VG278H Black 27" 2ms HDMI Swivel & Height Adjustable Widescreen LED Backlight LCD 3D 120Hz Monitor 3 of these
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

EVGA Signature 04G-P4-2692-KR GeForce GTX 690 4GB 2 of these or if feeling really nuts buy a 3rd just as a dedicated PhysX card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HT | OMEGA Claro Halo XT PCI Interface Sound Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PC Power and Cooling Turbo-Cool 1200W Server-grade High Performance SLI CrossFire ready Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

EVGA Classified SR-X 270-SE-W888-KR LGA 2011 Intel C606 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 HPTX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Kingston 32GB (4 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM ECC Unbuffered DDR3 1600 3 of this for 96GB total... thats alot of browser tabs open at once
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HP Black 12X BD-R 2X BD-RE 16X (CAV) DVD+R 12X (PCAV) DVD-RAM 8X (CAV) BD-ROM SATA H/H Blu-ray Burner
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Intel Xeon E5-2690 Sandy Bridge-EP 2.9GHz (3.8GHz Turbo Boost) 20MB L3 Cache LGA 2011 135W 8-Core Server Processor 2 of these for a total of 16 CPU cores.... i7's are so for people on little 10k budgets!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

OCZ VeloDrive 1.2TB PCI-E PCI Express x8 MLC Enterprise Solid State Disk 2 of these. Plenty of storage for your cayman island bank account records and homemade videos with the ladies mentioned earlier ;) 
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Kingston SSDNow E100 100GB 2.5" SATA III Enterprise Solid State Drive 2 of these for keeping stuff on
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

That totals $18103.85

Dont worry I have also spent the $6.9k

Get all that stuff then contact whatever firm you use in the US for bespoke watercooling solutions and get a custom loop designed for the entire rig. No boring air cooling on anything get everything watercooled from the CPU, GPU, RAM ... the lot.

Drop whats left on a keyboard, mouse and windows
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October 30, 2012 3:27:19 PM

Get the nicest peripherals you can. That in my opinion is the most important aspect of a gaming PC. After I got my new computer I was surprised that I found my self enjoying more than anything the keyboard, mouse, speakers, and monitor!

You need a lot of power under the hood, but it will be wasted unless you have a IPS panel or a 120hz monitor. Get a mechanical keyboard, FILCO makes the best ones in my opinion.

Aside from that, don't go with 690s. Get three 7970 (whatever the fastest edition is) and get a custom water cooling loop with custom waterblocks for all 3 gpus and the CPU. Make sure to get that right because it would be difficult.
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October 30, 2012 7:49:18 PM

wr6133,
I can't understand some of your recommendations. They make no sense at all.

1) 96GB of RAM? WTF? He only needs 8GB, or 16GB for bragging rights. Is there a motherboard that supports this?

2) Two server processors? For a gaming rig?

3) 2x GTX690's - 4x SLI is dumb and that's only a 2GB video buffer for three monitors. No. No. No!

4) 1.2GB OCZ Velodrive? and then 100GB SSD's?

Okay, now I know you're just being silly/stupid and just listing expensive parts... this really isn't the place to mislead people who are trying to learn.

PLEASE IGNORE THIS GUY!!!
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October 30, 2012 8:06:45 PM

photonboy said:
wr6133,
I can't understand some of your recommendations. They make no sense at all.

1) 96GB of RAM? WTF? He only needs 8GB, or 16GB for bragging rights. Is there a motherboard that supports this?

2) Two server processors? For a gaming rig?

3) 2x GTX690's - 4x SLI is dumb and that's only a 2GB video buffer for three monitors. No. No. No!

4) 1.2GB OCZ Velodrive? and then 100GB SSD's?

Okay, now I know you're just being silly/stupid and just listing expensive parts... this really isn't the place to mislead people who are trying to learn.

PLEASE IGNORE THIS GUY!!!


On the otherhand you are too stupid to read the OP he wants to spend 25k and I clearly said this

Quote:
this is an insane waste of cash you could buy a super high end gaming rig with under 3k including monitors then blow the other 22k on the finest hookers known to mankind


Also

1 - The board supports that much RAM try to follow the link rather than assume

2 - Why not with 25000 budget

3 - Again 25k bragging rig... you SLi top cards... also again LEARN TO READ you sound stupid again they are the 4GB model

4 - And why not with 25k?

Yeah its actually pretty tongue in cheek as don;t really believe the guy is about to drop $25000 on a gaming rig the comments I attatch to parts make that obvious to anyone that reads my post as you clearly failed to do from your comments that show arrogant ignorance on your part.

Anyway lets see what you would build for 25K...... and clearly as the OP thinks 18k rigs are not enough you need to be using that budget

Next time you want to rip in to somebody read first as is you sound stupid.
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October 30, 2012 9:31:23 PM

Also having two cpu's would have no purpose at all. That actually might slow down gaming at that point. Also. His best bet is to get 3 or 4 7970 ghz edtitions. 690 is not that great of a card. All it is, is a 2 weak 680's crossfired together for more than double the price. 4 79790s is the strongest you can possibly get right now, and if you have a 1500w psu already, then 4 7970's will work fine. Also, bgp, it would be really helpful if you could post what you are considering now that would be really helpful.
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October 31, 2012 3:37:33 AM

wr6133 said:
On the otherhand you are too stupid to read the OP he wants to spend 25k and I clearly said this

Quote:
this is an insane waste of cash you could buy a super high end gaming rig with under 3k including monitors then blow the other 22k on the finest hookers known to mankind


Also

1 - The board supports that much RAM try to follow the link rather than assume

2 - Why not with 25000 budget

3 - Again 25k bragging rig... you SLi top cards... also again LEARN TO READ you sound stupid again they are the 4GB model

4 - And why not with 25k?

Yeah its actually pretty tongue in cheek as don;t really believe the guy is about to drop $25000 on a gaming rig the comments I attatch to parts make that obvious to anyone that reads my post as you clearly failed to do from your comments that show arrogant ignorance on your part.

Anyway lets see what you would build for 25K...... and clearly as the OP thinks 18k rigs are not enough you need to be using that budget

Next time you want to rip in to somebody read first as is you sound stupid.


No need to be rude, I didn't exactly "rip into you" you made a lot of silly recommendations and it wasn't that clear if you were being serious.

GTX690 4GB:
The GTX690 is a dual-GPU card. It has 2GB per GPU, not 4GB per GPU. In SLI or Crossfire the VRAM is cloned, not added. Therefore he only has a 2GB Video Buffer for all three monitors. This is a fact. A 2xGTX690 setup is basically identical to a 4x (GTX670 2GB) setup. 4x SLI is problematic and again 2GB VRAM is insufficient. You even recommended a 3xGTX690 setup. I can only assume you think the GTX690 has a single GPU.

Anyway, I'm not really sure who the "stupid" one is; me for even commenting on your ridiculous build or you for calling me stupid regarding the GTX690 and getting YOUR facts wrong.

You say you're being "tongue in cheek" which means you aren't seriously recommending this build, but you also say "and why not with 25K"; so how is anyone really supposed to know what you mean?

*The important thing is that there's simply no place for calling people "stupid" here. I'm just trying to help, and quite frankly I still don't know what you're doing.
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October 31, 2012 5:10:11 AM

lt_dan_zsu said:
Also having two cpu's would have no purpose at all. That actually might slow down gaming at that point. Also. His best bet is to get 3 or 4 7970 ghz edtitions. 690 is not that great of a card. All it is, is a 2 weak 680's crossfired together for more than double the price. 4 79790s is the strongest you can possibly get right now, and if you have a 1500w psu already, then 4 7970's will work fine. Also, bgp, it would be really helpful if you could post what you are considering now that would be really helpful.


wr6133 appears to be saying he doesn't believe this post so he put together the most expensive rig he could. Honestly, I'm not sure what to think.

As I said above somewhere, there are PROS and CONS with multiple GPU's, but if you need SLI or Crossfire a 3x solution is generally ideal.

Why?
Again, a 2x solution has a lot of micro-stutter. A 3x solution reduces that significantly. A 4x solution is very poorly supported.

With three 2560x1440 monitors the ideal solution IMO is one of these:

a) 3x (HD7970 3GB), or

b) 3x (GTX680 4GB)

There are 6GB HD7970's but the 3GB appears adequate. I much prefer the NVidia solution as I think their drivers are the best.

Cooling:
I'm no expert on water cooling, but if he's serious I think he needs to do a lot of reading and get something like this:

a) Motherboard that is DESIGNED with water cooling in mind, including a water block for the CHIPSET (Northbridge if it's still called that). My Gigabyte board had one.

b) A complete water cooling solution that supports THREE GRAPHICS CARDS, the CPU and the CHIPSET.

c) Graphics cards designed for water cooling (expensive).

d) A case that can manage this properly (possibly a Corsair).

*You can actually have Falcon NW build a system for you, though I don't think you can get water cooling to the graphics cards. While not the exact parts I would choose, you CAN get a 3x (GTX680 4GB) rig built! I "built" one just for fun.

**The MACH V is the rig you would design.

http://www.falcon-nw.com/configure-falcon
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October 31, 2012 9:41:44 PM

a 4GB card can be slower because its memory bus isn't designed to do that. Also, the amd drivers are getting really good. They are coming out with drivers that will increase their speeds by an average of 10%. Battlefield's rates increased by 20fps with the 7970. Those drivers will be out in november. Also sli is a lot more specific, and way more can go wrong.
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