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I'm in the US.
I'm looking for a Nikon D70, and most places have it for around $1200.
Broadway Photo has the kit for $849, with better prices if you settle for
other lenses. This seems a little low to me, and I was wondering what to
watch for and what to ask before making a final purchase. Obviously, I
would make sure it comes with the Nikon lens, but the deal just seems too
good to be true. Does the kit include the rechargeable battery and charger?
Any thoughts? Any experience with Broadway Photo?
Thanks
Sheldon
sheldon@sopris.net
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see
http://www.resellerratings.com/seller1995.html
what would you do if they sent you the wrong camera, perhaps
broken, and charged you a 21% re-stocking fee?
Sheldon wrote:
> I'm in the US.
>
> I'm looking for a Nikon D70, and most places have it for around $1200.
> Broadway Photo has the kit for $849, with better prices if you settle for
> other lenses. This seems a little low to me, and I was wondering what to
> watch for and what to ask before making a final purchase. Obviously, I
> would make sure it comes with the Nikon lens, but the deal just seems too
> good to be true. Does the kit include the rechargeable battery and charger?
>
> Any thoughts? Any experience with Broadway Photo?
>
> Thanks
>
> Sheldon
> sheldon@sopris.net
>
>
>
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Sheldon wrote:
> I'm in the US.
>
> I'm looking for a Nikon D70, and most places have it for around $1200.
> Broadway Photo has the kit for $849, with better prices if you settle for
> other lenses. This seems a little low to me, and I was wondering what to
> watch for and what to ask before making a final purchase. Obviously, I
> would make sure it comes with the Nikon lens, but the deal just seems too
> good to be true. Does the kit include the rechargeable battery and charger?
>
> Any thoughts? Any experience with Broadway Photo?
>
> Thanks
>
> Sheldon
> sheldon@sopris.net
I had never dealt with them but no doubt you get what you pay for or
more likely you'd never get what you want at that price. If you want low
price in a reliable source, I'd suggest BuyDig. You do need to be sure
that you want the model, otherwise, you won't get all your money back,
not even if you want to upgrade to a more expensive model. Otherwise,
pay full price at B&H if you want hassle free.
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Sheldon wrote:
> I'm in the US.
>
> I'm looking for a Nikon D70, and most places have it for around
$1200.
> Broadway Photo has the kit for $849, with better prices if you settle
for
> other lenses. This seems a little low to me, and I was wondering
what to
> watch for and what to ask before making a final purchase. Obviously,
I
> would make sure it comes with the Nikon lens, but the deal just seems
too
> good to be true. Does the kit include the rechargeable battery and
charger?
Here's how to find the lowest prices.
1. Goto www.froogle.com and type the item you wish to buy
2. Sort by price "Lowest to Highest"
3. Pickup the store with the lowest price.
4. Goto www.resellerratings.com and enter the store name there.
5. Read the store rating and reviews.
6. If happy, order from the store, else go back to "1"
You can also use bizrate.com instead of froogle.
- Siddhartha
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On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 20:44:51 -0700, "Sheldon"
<sheldon@XXXXXXXXsopris.net> wrote:
>Any thoughts? Any experience with Broadway Photo?
I beleive BW Photo sells grey market cameras which is how they keep
their prices so low. If that's the case I'd avoid them.
Ron
Ron Lacey
Murillo Ontario
ron@ronsfotos.com
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Ron Lacey wrote:
>
> I beleive BW Photo sells grey market cameras which is how they keep
> their prices so low. If that's the case I'd avoid them.
Even B&H and Adorama sell grey market equipment. Selling grey market
equipment isn't the right parameter for selecting a store.
- Siddhartha
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On 1/18/05 8:39 AM, in article on7qu0948qvvhpp6pu80uk0uia1jkdru22@4ax.com,
"Ron Lacey" <ron@ronstoons.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 20:44:51 -0700, "Sheldon"
> <sheldon@XXXXXXXXsopris.net> wrote:
>
>> Any thoughts? Any experience with Broadway Photo?
>
> I beleive BW Photo sells grey market cameras which is how they keep
> their prices so low. If that's the case I'd avoid them.
>
> Ron
>
> Ron Lacey
> Murillo Ontario
> ron@ronsfotos.com
You do don't understand grey market. B&W clearly identifies which of their
equipment is grey market and which is not so you know what you are buying.
They also explain exactly what you need to do if you have a warrantee issue
with their grey market equipment. If you don't want grey market equipment
from them you can buy their regular warrantee stuff. Me personally - I don't
think that I would buy a grey market camera, but I might consider a grey
market lens.
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I have placed around 20 orders with B&H (www.bhphoto.com) since I began
ordering from them around 1 year ago. I have not had ONE problem with any
of my orders. All the orders where placed online and arrived within the
shipping time.
I have heard MANY horror stories about broadway photo. I would avoid them
at all costs.
Good luck!
"Sheldon" <sheldon@XXXXXXXXsopris.net> wrote in message
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> I'm in the US.
>
> I'm looking for a Nikon D70, and most places have it for around $1200.
> Broadway Photo has the kit for $849, with better prices if you settle for
> other lenses. This seems a little low to me, and I was wondering what to
> watch for and what to ask before making a final purchase. Obviously, I
> would make sure it comes with the Nikon lens, but the deal just seems too
> good to be true. Does the kit include the rechargeable battery and
charger?
>
> Any thoughts? Any experience with Broadway Photo?
>
> Thanks
>
> Sheldon
> sheldon@sopris.net
>
>
>
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On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 15:15:20 GMT, C Wright
<wright9_nojunk@nojunk_mac.com> wrote:
>You do don't understand grey market.
I certainly do and I choose not to buy grey market goods. Your
decission to purchase or not is up to you.
Ron
Ron Lacey
Murillo Ontario
ron@ronsfotos.com
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"Ron Lacey" <ron@ronstoons.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 15:15:20 GMT, C Wright
> <wright9_nojunk@nojunk_mac.com> wrote:
>
> >You do don't understand grey market.
>
> I certainly do and I choose not to buy grey market goods. Your
> decission to purchase or not is up to you.
>
> Ron
>
> Ron Lacey
> Murillo Ontario
> ron@ronsfotos.com
Buy any camera from the USA import into Canada amounts to a grey market
camera. Nikon et al will refuse to service it..
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www.tristatecamera.com - very good online store with reasonable pricing. Unfortunately, my deal didn't get through because you guys have some strange restrictions in US. If I pay by international credit card, my bill-to must match ship-to and it all has to match credit card holder's address. Sounds weird...
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"Darrell" <dev/null> wrote in message
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> Buy any camera from the USA import into Canada amounts to a grey market
> camera. Nikon et al will refuse to service it..
I don't believe it. The opposite is certainly not true: If you buy a Nikon
camera in person outside the USA from an authorized dealer, Nikon USA will
repair it under warranty with no complaint.
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Sorry but that is no longer true. Nikon USA has told us that they will
not repair a non-US import camera, even out of warranty. They have an
International Warranty, not a US Warranty.
Buster
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 00:33:02 GMT, "Andrew Koenig" <ark@acm.org> wrote:
>"Darrell" <dev/null> wrote in message
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>
>> Buy any camera from the USA import into Canada amounts to a grey market
>> camera. Nikon et al will refuse to service it..
>
>I don't believe it. The opposite is certainly not true: If you buy a Nikon
>camera in person outside the USA from an authorized dealer, Nikon USA will
>repair it under warranty with no complaint.
>
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This is very common. It is to prevent credit card fraud. PayPal also
follows this criteria for you to have a Verified Address on your
account.
Buster
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:13:59 GMT, "y3k via PhotoKB.com"
<forum@PhotoKB.com> wrote:
>www.tristatecamera.com - very good online store with reasonable pricing. Unfortunately, my deal didn't get through because you guys have some strange restrictions in US. If I pay by international credit card, my bill-to must match ship-to and it all has to match credit card holder's address. Sounds weird...
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"Ron Lacey" <ron@ronstoons.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 20:44:51 -0700, "Sheldon"
> <sheldon@XXXXXXXXsopris.net> wrote:
>
>>Any thoughts? Any experience with Broadway Photo?
>
> I beleive BW Photo sells grey market cameras which is how they keep
> their prices so low. If that's the case I'd avoid them.
>
The issue with Broadway Photo / A&M Photo / Digital Liquidators, and
whatever other stores these people operate under, isn't grey market, it's
bait-and-switch.
HMc
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"Sheldon" <sheldon@XXXXXXXXsopris.net> wrote in message
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> I'm in the US.
>
> I'm looking for a Nikon D70, and most places have it for around $1200.
> Broadway Photo has the kit for $849, with better prices if you settle for
> other lenses. This seems a little low to me, and I was wondering what to
> watch for and what to ask before making a final purchase. Obviously, I
> would make sure it comes with the Nikon lens, but the deal just seems too
> good to be true. Does the kit include the rechargeable battery and
charger?
>
> Any thoughts? Any experience with Broadway Photo?
>
> Thanks
>
> Sheldon
> sheldon@sopris.net
>
>
You get what you pay for, and if you pay very little, you may get nothing.
There are only 2 stores to buy phot gear from:
www.17photo.com
www.bhphoto.com
Never had any issue, always in stock, no need to "confirm" the order, just
professional and honest. Also beware of ritz camera, they do have retail
stores, but the online ones are the bait and switch operations.
I am assuming you went to resellerratings.com
That "broadway" place looks real sleazy.
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"Darrell" <dev/null> wrote in message
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>
> Buy any camera from the USA import into Canada amounts to a grey market
> camera. Nikon et al will refuse to service it..
>
Not true. Grey market refers to purchasing a camera that was imported via
"parallel import path". B&H, for example, sells some grey market Nikon
lenses. They didn't purchase them from Nikon USA, they purchased them from
Nikon Asia, or Nikon Europe, or someplace where that Nikon distibutor's
pricing structure, or strength of the dollar against local currency allows
B&H to resell the item at a lower price than what they sell Nikon
USA-purchased lenses for.
If someone in Europe were to buy a NikonUSA-imported camera from B&H, the
warranty would still be valid since it's not grey market. Now, the purchaser
would have to send it back to Nikon Service in the USA to do that, since the
Nikon USA warranty is only valid in the USA (Nikon Europe won't service it),
but if you buy a camera that was imported via Nikon-authorized import
channels, it's not grey market no matter where you live, or ultimately have
the camera shipped.
And it is true that Nikon will refuse to repair any grey market device, even
if you pay them. Additionally, note that Nikon no longer supplies repair
parts or manuals for complicated devices like dSLRs, VR or AF-S lenses, and
most flashes, to third party repair places (even if they are otherwise
"Nikon Authorized Repair" facilities). The end result is that if you buy
grey market, you will not be able to get Nikon service anywhere to fix your
camera/lens/flash. B&H doesn't sell grey market dSLRs, but they do sell grey
market lenses. In that case, they offer only a 1 year warranty through B&H
instead of the 5 year Nikon warranty.
Look at http://www.bythom.com/warranty.htm
HMc
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"Howard McCollister" <nospam@nospam.net> writes:
> "Darrell" <dev/null> wrote in message
> news:MsWdnUkrGp4bCXDcRVn-rw@rogers.com...
>
>>
>> Buy any camera from the USA import into Canada amounts to a grey market
>> camera. Nikon et al will refuse to service it..
>>
>
> Not true. Grey market refers to purchasing a camera that was imported via
> "parallel import path". B&H, for example, sells some grey market Nikon
> lenses. They didn't purchase them from Nikon USA, they purchased them from
> Nikon Asia, or Nikon Europe, or someplace where that Nikon distibutor's
> pricing structure, or strength of the dollar against local currency allows
> B&H to resell the item at a lower price than what they sell Nikon
> USA-purchased lenses for.
>
> If someone in Europe were to buy a NikonUSA-imported camera from B&H, the
> warranty would still be valid since it's not grey market. Now, the purchaser
> would have to send it back to Nikon Service in the USA to do that, since the
> Nikon USA warranty is only valid in the USA (Nikon Europe won't service it),
> but if you buy a camera that was imported via Nikon-authorized import
> channels, it's not grey market no matter where you live, or ultimately have
> the camera shipped.
Completely oposite holds for Canon: it will serice both gray-market and US
Canon SLRs (and DSLRs). A friend of mine from Germany who bought his camera
from B&H (and had it shipped to Canada to pick in during his visit here)
had his Canon 10D repaired twice (free of charge, as a warratny service)
locally in Germany and 3rd time had his (a lemon?) replaced by Canon
Germany!
Now this is what I call a proper service! If you are proud to be able to
produce a good camera (like a Nikon D70 is), you should stand behind it in
all respect and not refuse to service it if it is not bought in a proper
place.
What if I bought my camera in (say) UK and moved to US few months later
(completely legitimate case)? My Nikon (and Sony and who knows whose elses)
products will immediatelly become non-servicable!
This is silly. We live in a global world. International warranty should
apply everywhere (as its name says).
Dragan
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"Howard McCollister" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Darrell" <dev/null> wrote in message
> news:MsWdnUkrGp4bCXDcRVn-rw@rogers.com...
>
> >
> > Buy any camera from the USA import into Canada amounts to a grey market
> > camera. Nikon et al will refuse to service it..
> >
>
> Not true. Grey market refers to purchasing a camera that was imported via
> "parallel import path". B&H, for example, sells some grey market Nikon
> lenses. They didn't purchase them from Nikon USA, they purchased them from
> Nikon Asia, or Nikon Europe, or someplace where that Nikon distibutor's
> pricing structure, or strength of the dollar against local currency allows
> B&H to resell the item at a lower price than what they sell Nikon
> USA-purchased lenses for.
>
Mamiya has asked the US Customs to seize Grey Market Mamiya products, as
Mamiya USA owns the trademark. All Grey Market goods can be classed as
trademark infringement. I am surprised all importers don't make the same
request to Customs.
"Mamiya America Corporation has registered the MAMIYA Trademark with the
U.S. Patent and Trademark Office (PTO), and has recorded this mark with the
United States Customs Service for import protection in accordance with 19
C.F.R. Part 133.
Under Section 526 (a) of the Tariff Act of 1930, the importation of any
foreign-origin merchandise bearing the MAMIYA trademark, without the written
consent of Mamiya America Corporation, is unlawful and prohibited.
Unauthorized importations are subject to seizure and forfeiture by the
United States Customs Service.
Mamiya America Corporation has directed Customs to enforce this trademark
aggressively, and to prohibit the importations of "gray-market" merchandise.
Mamiya America Corporation will also pursue all of its available remedies
for injunctive relief and damages against any persons who import,
distribute, sell or otherwise deal in gray market merchandise bearing the
Mamiya trademark.
All information and offers contained herewith apply to the USA only.
© 2005 Mamiya America Corporation"
Cite: http://www.mamiya.com/about.asp?id=6&id2=142
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Darrell wrote:
> Mamiya has asked the US Customs to seize Grey Market Mamiya products, as
That applies to Mamiya for reasons specific to Mamiya.
Grey market Nikon is purely a distribution and warranty issue.
If I understand correctly, Nikon will not repair a grey market item even if the
owner is willing to pay for the repair. If this is really the case, it strikes
me as poor judgement on Nikon's part.
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"Alan Browne" <alan.browne@freelunchVideotron.ca> wrote in message
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> Darrell wrote:
>
> > Mamiya has asked the US Customs to seize Grey Market Mamiya products, as
>
> That applies to Mamiya for reasons specific to Mamiya.
>
Actually Mamiya asked the USA to enforce USA laws. All importers have
trademark protection under 19 C.F.R. Part 133. and under Under Section 526
(a) of the Tariff Act of 1930, the importation of any foreign-origin
merchandise bearing the registerted trademark, without the written consent
of Trademark owner is unlawful and prohibited. Unauthorized importations are
subject to seizure and forfeiture by the United States Customs Service.
In the 1970's US Customs would grind off the Nikon name and logo on Nikon
bought abroard, they would also grind off the Asahi logo off of Pentax
cameras as Honeywell owned the USA rights to Pentax products.
> Grey market Nikon is purely a distribution and warranty issue.
>
Nikon USA Canon USA et al can evoke the same protection. It just requires
Nikon USA to file the papers.
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Check supercoupon.com, it has several deals for D70.
Sheldon wrote:
> I'm in the US.
>
> I'm looking for a Nikon D70, and most places have it for around $1200.
> Broadway Photo has the kit for $849, with better prices if you settle for
> other lenses. This seems a little low to me, and I was wondering what to
> watch for and what to ask before making a final purchase. Obviously, I
> would make sure it comes with the Nikon lens, but the deal just seems too
> good to be true. Does the kit include the rechargeable battery and charger?
>
> Any thoughts? Any experience with Broadway Photo?
>
> Thanks
>
> Sheldon
> sheldon@sopris.net
>
>
>
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On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:09:43 GMT, you, "Darrell" <dev/null>, wrote in
news:i-6dndFTHZwwR3PcRVn-tA@rogers.com:
> Nikon USA Canon USA et al can evoke the same protection. It just requires
> Nikon USA to file the papers.
>
Nope. Bob Salomon of HPMarketing explained somewhere that only independent
trademark owners can do that. Nikon USA is a subsidiary of Nikon Japan and
can not register trademark control with US Customs.
http://www.google.ca/groups?q=g:th [...] =&c2coff=1
&selm=bob_salomon-B0D8FC.09371506012005%40news.isp.giganews.com&rnum=31
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Darrell wrote:
> "Alan Browne" <alan.browne@freelunchVideotron.ca> wrote in message
> news:csmkt6$igg$1@inews.gazeta.pl...
>
>>Darrell wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Mamiya has asked the US Customs to seize Grey Market Mamiya products, as
>>
>>That applies to Mamiya for reasons specific to Mamiya.
>>
>
> Actually Mamiya asked the USA to enforce USA laws. All importers have
That's why I say "...for reasons specific to Mamiya."
> In the 1970's US Customs would grind off the Nikon name and logo on Nikon
> bought abroard, they would also grind off the Asahi logo off of Pentax
> cameras as Honeywell owned the USA rights to Pentax products.
>
>
>>Grey market Nikon is purely a distribution and warranty issue.
>>
>
> Nikon USA Canon USA et al can evoke the same protection. It just requires
> Nikon USA to file the papers.
Nikon and Canon are powerful brand names. Nikon and Nikon USA would prefer that
the cameras be in-channel. But if they invoked some stupid procedure to stanch
that grey flow, it would hurt the brand sales more than allowing it to go.
IAC, Nikon USA have done nothing about it, other than their bizarre repair
policy, and likely Nikon Japan won't allow Nikon USA to do anything further
about it.
Cheers,
Alan
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