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October 31, 2012 11:16:56 AM

Greetings everyone, this is my first build and I'm excited to see your opinions.



Approximate Purchase Date: by Thanksgiving

Budget Range: 750$ (800$ max for a more upgrade-friendly build)

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming, Graphic/Video/Audio Creation

Are you buying a monitor: No

Parts to Upgrade: New Build

Do you need to buy OS: Yes
Please note that if you're using an OEM license of Windows, you will need a new one when buying a new motherboard.

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Any major ones in United States, Micro Center also available for walk-in pickup

Location: Minneapolis, MN

Parts Preferences: Intel CPU and Nvidia GPU

Overclocking: Maybe

SLI or Crossfire: Maybe in the future

Your Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080

Additional Comments: Performance driven. But a quiet and power-efficient computer is always welcomed.



PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/m1nH
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/m1nH/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/m1nH/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($169.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: MSI Z77A-G43 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($79.99 @ NCIX US)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($25.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($88.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 660 2GB Video Card ($229.95 @ B&H)
Case: NZXT Tempest 210 ATX Mid Tower Case ($54.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 600W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($51.98 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($24.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $726.86
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)


I am a hard core gamer when I have the time. Also a lot of the time I spend on my computer will be distributed to media creation like 3D modeling, graphic design and video/audio editing. For that I have a few questions for you friendly people:

1. Does the difference between i5 3570k and i7 3770k make up for the price differential?

2. Is the configuration reasonable for overclocking? I picked a 600w power supply for potential overclocking but I think I also need a CPU cooler. Any suggestions?

3. I'm not sure if I want to get GTX 660 or 660 Ti. I don't know whether they will perform that differently with the limitation of other parts of the system. Thoughts?

4. How does the motherboard and case hold up for future upgrades? I'm positive that I'll be adding a caching SSD in the near future and possibly another GPU with the existing CPU overclocked. (If the existing build is too limited in that scenario, I'm willing to raise the budget cap to 800$, only if necessary)

That's my rookie build. Thank you so much for reading and I appreciate your time!

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October 31, 2012 11:24:05 AM

1. Unless you will be doing lot of video rendering/editing, no it's not worth it.

2. Yes if you want to overclock, a CPU cooler is a must.

3. Get a 660 and overclock it. It will perform as good as a 660 ti but $100 less.
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October 31, 2012 11:33:35 AM

1. I would have to say to go with the i5 3570k to help stay in budget range, besides I don't think the performance difference between the two are not too far apart at all(at least in gaming). So the saved money can be put into other things such as maybe a even better graphics card?

2.I have no experience in overclocking so I am afraid i cannot help you there, sorry.

3. A GTX 660 ti performs quite well in gaming, however does cost more then the GTX 660 I beleive, you can see the benchmarks for several games here, and several more in the articles index.

http://www.techspot.com/review/565-nvidia-geforce-gtx-6...

4. I have little experience with motherboards. Sorry bud =(

I was building a PC myself with a 800$ budget, I had several things already purchased such as the OS, Keyboard, Mouse, and HDD. Good luck tho =)

edit: "Also a lot of the time I spend on my computer will be distributed to media creation like 3D modeling, graphic design and video/audio editing."
The i7 performs a fair amount better in these things then the i5 i believe.
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October 31, 2012 11:47:51 AM

At this budget I'd get a fx 8320 since it does game ok (not as good as a i5) but is pretty good at a workstation environment (some tested find the 8350 (oc version of a 8350) slightly faster than a i7)
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October 31, 2012 11:51:59 AM

BreadWhistle said:
1. Unless you will be doing lot of video rendering/editing, no it's not worth it.

2. Yes if you want to overclock, a CPU cooler is a must.

3. Get a 660 and overclock it. It will perform as good as a 660 ti but $100 less.


Thanks for the comments!

Any suggestion for a quiet, efficient cooler?

How does the build look overall with 3570k and Nvidia 660? Any bottleneck that needs to be cleared?
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October 31, 2012 11:54:31 AM

and if you are getting a 660, it makes more sense o get a 7870 since it is cheaper
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October 31, 2012 11:57:19 AM

Thelastkaiser said:
1. I would have to say to go with the i5 3570k to help stay in budget range, besides I don't think the performance difference between the two are not too far apart at all(at least in gaming). So the saved money can be put into other things such as maybe a even better graphics card?

2.I have no experience in overclocking so I am afraid i cannot help you there, sorry.

3. A GTX 660 ti performs quite well in gaming, however does cost more then the GTX 660 I beleive, you can see the benchmarks for several games here, and several more in the articles index.

http://www.techspot.com/review/565-nvidia-geforce-gtx-6...

4. I have little experience with motherboards. Sorry bud =(

I was building a PC myself with a 800$ budget, I had several things already purchased such as the OS, Keyboard, Mouse, and HDD. Good luck tho =)

edit: "Also a lot of the time I spend on my computer will be distributed to media creation like 3D modeling, graphic design and video/audio editing."
The i7 performs a fair amount better in these things then the i5 i believe.


Thanks for your comments. Since we have a similar budget, could you please share your build and thoughts on it?
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October 31, 2012 12:00:42 PM

TheBigTroll said:
At this budget I'd get a fx 8320 since it does game ok (not as good as a i5) but is pretty good at a workstation environment (some tested find the 8350 (oc version of a 8350) slightly faster than a i7)


Thanks for your reply. Swapping the CPU is an interesting idea. I'll look into more comparison in that regard. The thing is gaming and productivity are equally important to me. A tough decision indeed. :heink: 

Also, I think Nvidia usually performs better in 3D modeling programs than AMD in similar price range? Will 6600 Ti be the best performer in its price range then?
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October 31, 2012 12:19:37 PM

Well the i5 3570k will crush any amd cpu for gaming. As for a productivity it will still be a good cpu. Unless you are doing some serious video editing or other heavily threaded applications it will be just as good as the amd.
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October 31, 2012 12:19:40 PM

processor- i5 3570k price = 229.99$ (you appear to have found one cheaper in microcenter) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ram 8gb (2x4gb) corsair price= 39.99$ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

motherboard ASRock Z77 Extreme4 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard price = 109.99$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

graphics card - EVGA SuperClocked 02G-P4-2662-KR GeForce GTX 660 2GB 192-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card price = 229.99$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

case- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... price- 49.99$

psu- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... - 39.99$ 650 watt antec

optical drive- you can find any cheap lite ons to play DVD's unless you need a blu ray player.

i would also suggest a good cpu cooler, maybe this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

all of this together bundles up around 700$, so you would have to spend a bit more for a hdd and operating system, look around you can still probably find better deals then I did.

sorry, i know this is a bit messy =( for the record these are parts I plan to put in my p.c which has roughly the same budget. Important thing is tho my build is just for gaming, where as you are doing some other things as well which a i7 would be good for, if not the fx-8350.
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October 31, 2012 12:25:26 PM

breezedu said:
Thanks for your reply. Swapping the CPU is an interesting idea. I'll look into more comparison in that regard. The thing is gaming and productivity are equally important to me. A tough decision indeed. :heink: 

Also, I think Nvidia usually performs better in 3D modeling programs than AMD in similar price range? Will 6600 Ti be the best performer in its price range then?


nowadays, CUDA isnt that benefitial as OpenGl is getting much more advanced. in CS6, they even are switching over to OpenGL

the 660ti is also not worth it. at that price i can get a 7950
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October 31, 2012 12:27:34 PM

jackspeed said:
Well the i5 3570k will crush any amd cpu for gaming. As for a productivity it will still be a good cpu. Unless you are doing some serious video editing or other heavily threaded applications it will be just as good as the amd.


productiveity: no.

it would easily be crushed by a fx 8320/50. the only thing that i5s beats the fx in erms of productiveity is single threaded apps which piledriver arent that great
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October 31, 2012 12:34:42 PM

TheBigTroll said:
productiveity: no.

it would easily be crushed by a fx 8320/50. the only thing that i5s beats the fx in erms of productiveity is single threaded apps which piledriver arent that great



Okay, I think I get the message. Time to do more research on the AMD CPU/GPU combo.

To clarify, the programs I use the most are Creative Suite CS5, will get CS6 if worth it. Autodesk CAD/Revit. Sketchup/Rhino/3DS MAX. And whatever video editing program I can get my hands on. My dated impressions are productivity programs rely heavily on code optimization. So when AMD might be great in the optimized softwares, Intel will be good across the board with more raw power. Is that generally true nowadays?

BTW, I appreciate your differentiated opinion a lot, thanks!
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October 31, 2012 1:18:14 PM

I saw the audio creation I missed the video creation.

You can get a dvd drive and a better case at microcenter saves money although not much after tax.

At 800 you could get the best of both worlds and get an i7 at 750 You have to choose between gaming and productivity.

the power supply theLastKaiser mentioned can save a little as well and its an antec. IT would save $12
DVD drive (16 microcenter -5)
NZXT 410 case ( 48 micro center -7 (after $10 rebate))

The savings listed would be about $17 after at 7% tax the tax on the cpu would eat most of that.

So we are back at 725.
to fit an i7 in an 800 budget we would need to cut $32

gpu msi gtx 660 (208)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

with this we need to cut $10 (thanks to tax)
And I could do this but it would be either in the hard drive or the mobo and you may want all 6 audio ports or the 2 TBs.

My suggestions are good for your computer it saves money if you go with either amd or intel.

EDIT: AMD cpus do use more power... so if that's a major concern then intel does offer a little more there.
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October 31, 2012 1:52:10 PM

jackspeed said:
I saw the audio creation I missed the video creation.

You can get a dvd drive and a better case at microcenter saves money although not much after tax.

At 800 you could get the best of both worlds and get an i7 at 750 You have to choose between gaming and productivity.

the power supply theLastKaiser mentioned can save a little as well and its an antec. IT would save $12
DVD drive (16 microcenter -5)
NZXT 410 case ( 48 micro center -7 (after $10 rebate))

The savings listed would be about $17 after at 7% tax the tax on the cpu would eat most of that.

So we are back at 725.
to fit an i7 in an 800 budget we would need to cut $32

gpu msi gtx 660 (208)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

with this we need to cut $10 (thanks to tax)
And I could do this but it would be either in the hard drive or the mobo and you may want all 6 audio ports or the 2 TBs.

My suggestions are good for your computer it saves money if you go with either amd or intel.

EDIT: AMD cpus do use more power... so if that's a major concern then intel does offer a little more there.



Thanks for the follow-up. I just read some insightful comparison between i5 3570 and the AMD FX family. I think I'm not content with taking either side so I guess I'll have to go for i7 3770. (It's so much more expensive though :pfff:  )
I'll compare all your price-cut notes to see if I can bring the whole thing down to $800.
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October 31, 2012 1:58:08 PM

My price cuts would put it below 800 b4 tax but after rebates.
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October 31, 2012 3:03:16 PM

microcenter in st louis park has 1 left for 58 and a $10 rebate.

I live in MN so Its the microcenter I have saved.

http://www.microcenter.com/product/378057/Crafted_Serie...

EDIT: the $10 rebate will pretty much pay for postage, tax and the small amount extra the 410 is. You may save about $2 after the rebate but you will get a better? case.
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October 31, 2012 3:16:54 PM

jackspeed said:
microcenter in st louis park has 1 left for 58 and a $10 rebate.

I live in MN so Its the microcenter I have saved.

http://www.microcenter.com/product/378057/Crafted_Serie...

EDIT: the $10 rebate will pretty much pay for postage, tax and the small amount extra the 410 is. You may save about $2 after the rebate but you will get a better? case.


That is a great deal, purchasing right now! Thanks!!
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October 31, 2012 3:21:03 PM

jackspeed said:
microcenter in st louis park has 1 left for 58 and a $10 rebate.

I live in MN so Its the microcenter I have saved.

http://www.microcenter.com/product/378057/Crafted_Serie...

EDIT: the $10 rebate will pretty much pay for postage, tax and the small amount extra the 410 is. You may save about $2 after the rebate but you will get a better? case.


Just found out that i7 3770k is also significantly cheaper in Micro Center @ $269.99 as opposed to the $319.99 from Amazon etc. That's huge to keep my budget!!

http://www.microcenter.com/product/388575/Core_i7_3770K...
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October 31, 2012 3:23:15 PM

Ya I was calculating that. I believe after rebates and taxes I was $10 over 800 when all was said and done.

EDIT the antec earthwatts does not come with a power chord so you may need to reuse or pick one up.
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October 31, 2012 3:41:07 PM

jackspeed said:
Ya I was calculating that. I believe after rebates and taxes I was $10 over 800 when all was said and done.

EDIT the antec earthwatts does not come with a power chord so you may need to reuse or pick one up.


Uh-oh, reservation failed and now the NZXT 410 is out of stock. Time to do more search I guess~
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October 31, 2012 4:43:01 PM

dont bother with a msi case. they are junk. i had the horrors of building inside one. cheap drive mechanisim, very thin panels, and nearly no cabling space (that might be another model though)
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October 31, 2012 4:53:22 PM

TheBigTroll said:
dont bother with a msi case. they are junk. i had the horrors of building inside one. cheap drive mechanisim, very thin panels, and nearly no cabling space (that might be another model though)


The mechanics in this one does look fine though. But I guess you're right about cabling space in this particular instance. Any suggestions around $50? I just need something solid and performs well, preferably no LED. :lol: 
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October 31, 2012 5:10:00 PM

antec 300 im not a fan of the cable management but there's enough space and its a fine case. 55 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

The one you suggested the nzxt 210 http://www.microcenter.com/product/378074/Classic_Serie...

zalman z9 (has led i think) http://www.microcenter.com/product/355148/Z9_ATX_Mid_To...

Thermalite v3 (led)
http://www.microcenter.com/product/323929/V3_Black_Edit...

Thermalite commander(led)
http://www.microcenter.com/product/365239/Commander_Mid...
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October 31, 2012 5:10:05 PM

TheBigTroll said:
dont bother with a msi case. they are junk. i had the horrors of building inside one. cheap drive mechanisim, very thin panels, and nearly no cabling space (that might be another model though)


How do these two fare?

Cool Master CM Storm Scout ATX Gaming Computer Case
http://www.microcenter.com/product/308296/CM_Storm_Scou...

Zalman
Z11 Plus ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.microcenter.com/product/386580/Z11_Plus_ATX_...

Their aesthetics are right down my alley. I'm unfamiliar with the brand Zalman though.
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October 31, 2012 5:11:27 PM

breezedu said:
Okay, I think I get the message. Time to do more research on the AMD CPU/GPU combo.

To clarify, the programs I use the most are Creative Suite CS5, will get CS6 if worth it. Autodesk CAD/Revit. Sketchup/Rhino/3DS MAX. And whatever video editing program I can get my hands on. My dated impressions are productivity programs rely heavily on code optimization. So when AMD might be great in the optimized softwares, Intel will be good across the board with more raw power. Is that generally true nowadays?

BTW, I appreciate your differentiated opinion a lot, thanks!


The FX 8320 is your best bet based solely on the fact that you use photoshop. It will perform on i7-3770k levels and it will overclock farther than the i7-3770k. You can expect 4.8ghz on air or 5.2ghz on water. CS6 is definitely worth it because of the OpenCL support. There is no sense at all in going nvidia for a productivity GPU because the GPGPU performance is abysmal compared to AMD gpus.
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October 31, 2012 5:13:25 PM

@coolmaster I'm more of a haf guy myself. and the scout has 2 leds. I don't know to much about cases though
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October 31, 2012 5:28:46 PM

id just get a antec one or something like that

my other recommendation is a fractal arc midi but its 20 bucks over. one of my top cases after its silent brethern
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October 31, 2012 5:39:58 PM

I recently built a computer with the same goals in mind, although I have held out on the graphics card for now (the 660 ti is a good choice for the extra cuda cores, probably the card i'll get). I have an i7-3770 on a Asrock H77m motherboard with 16gb Corsair Vengeance memory (9 latency). My case is the Fractal Design Arc Mini, which cost $99, but I noticed the Rosewill Challenger is similar (has front, back, and top fan) for $50. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I tried to justify getting a less expensive CPU, but if you are rendering and gaming you can't beat the 3770. Also the i5 are $220, so it doesn't make since not to go for i7 for $70 more. The i3-3225 would be a great chip for people with less demanding needs and it only costs $130, but yeah I think it's best to "bite the bullet" for an i7!
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October 31, 2012 5:45:20 PM

nacos said:
The FX 8320 is your best bet based solely on the fact that you use photoshop. It will perform on i7-3770k levels and it will overclock farther than the i7-3770k. You can expect 4.8ghz on air or 5.2ghz on water. CS6 is definitely worth it because of the OpenCL support. There is no sense at all in going nvidia for a productivity GPU because the GPGPU performance is abysmal compared to AMD gpus.



I agree completely with your comment but then I saw the i7-3770k on Micro Center for $290 after tax... Since I also do a lot of gaming on my computer, I think the extra $50~ is worth it.
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October 31, 2012 5:51:07 PM

The nvidia 660 is about as good as the 7870. The extra $100 i5 vs i7 or the extra $50 amd vs i7 is up to you.
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October 31, 2012 5:52:55 PM

brandon402 said:
I recently built a computer with the same goals in mind, although I have held out on the graphics card for now (the 660 ti is a good choice for the extra cuda cores, probably the card i'll get). I have an i7-3770 on a Asrock H77m motherboard with 16gb Corsair Vengeance memory (9 latency). My case is the Fractal Design Arc Mini, which cost $99, but I noticed the Rosewill Challenger is similar (has front, back, and top fan) for $50. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I tried to justify getting a less expensive CPU, but if you are rendering and gaming you can't beat the 3770. Also the i5 are $220, so it doesn't make since not to go for i7 for $70 more. The i3-3225 would be a great chip for people with less demanding needs and it only costs $130, but yeah I think it's best to "bite the bullet" for an i7!



Yah, I think I'll go with 3770k + Asrock Z77 pro 4. For the graphic card I'll get EVGA GeForce GTX 660 and try a little overclocking.

In case of the case though, there are two necessary things I need, USB 3.0 port and a SD card reader for my DSLR. And I'm out of luck for all the ones I like aesthetically.
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October 31, 2012 6:03:36 PM

Just got the MSI Interceptor case with a USB 3.0 port and a card reader. Satisfied.
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October 31, 2012 6:18:25 PM

enjoy your pc
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October 31, 2012 6:24:46 PM

jackspeed said:
enjoy your pc


Thank you so much. I'll do the rest of the purchase tonight and maybe there will be more surprise/pondering/hesitation.:-D
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October 31, 2012 7:24:42 PM

good luck with your case.

i dont see the point of the 660. just get a 7870 and overclock that. highly recommend over 660
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October 31, 2012 7:38:00 PM

wow. even cheaper than what i suggested
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October 31, 2012 7:39:21 PM

I was recommending the gtx 660 because it was $10 cheaper. now... either way the OP will have an awesome computer.
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October 31, 2012 7:40:48 PM

TheBigTroll said:
wow. even cheaper than what i suggested


Oh that just changes everything. 7870 it is then!!
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November 6, 2012 2:55:41 PM

Best answer selected by breezedu.
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November 6, 2012 3:11:56 PM

Hey guys it's been a few days and the final shipment of my new pc parts is coming in by the end of today. Fingers crossed for my installation tonight!

I chose the answer from brandon402 as the best answer, simply because it answers the title of the original post the best.

But in the meantime, I want to thank everyone else just the same because your insightful comments and timely recommendations extend the conversation to so much more than picking the right CPU and I've learned a great amount in such a short time. And that is the single greatest advantage of online forums like this.

Thank you guys so much and keep up the good work!!
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