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November 2, 2012 2:32:53 PM

Dear highly respected community of Tom's Hardware,

Looking to buy a gaming pc from scratch that can play Battlefield 3 at highest possible gfx settings, and still run at 60fps or more.

Approximate Purchase Date: Summer 2013

Budget Range: ~$2500 including shipping costs (I live in Belgium [Europe])

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming, HD Video Editing

Are you buying a monitor: Yes



Parts to Upgrade: Everything (Buying and building from scratch)

Do you need to buy OS: Yes (Not windows 8!)

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: I like www.newegg.com but not fussed (it must be able to ship to Europe)

Location: I live in Belgium, Europe, but I'm fine with shipping components from overseas (U.S) or even better, having them assembled there then shipped over

Parts Preferences: Intel (CPU), Nvidia GeForce (GPU)

Overclocking: Maybe, (Risky?)

SLI or Crossfire: Yes - unless it's an overpriced upgrade (i.e. not worth it)

Your Monitor Resolution: I'd like to get a 24" 1920x1080 monitor

Additional Comments: Peripherals (gaming mice/keyboards) will be bought separately and can basically be ignored

And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading: My current sloppy "gaming" pc runs BF3 at a slow 20fps at the lowest settiings possible, and this must be fixed, so I'm selling my current build and going for a (in my eyes) behemoth gaming pc.

Thanks for all your time and effort I really do appreciate it <3

More about : 2500 gaming build bf3 ultra high gfx 60fps

a b 4 Gaming
November 2, 2012 3:02:57 PM

Here you go i left you money for shipping cost hope it's enough :) 

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U12P SE2 54.4 CFM CPU Cooler ($67.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus P8Z77-V PRO ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($208.49 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($117.85 @ Newegg)
Storage: OCZ Vertex 4 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($104.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($374.98 @ Newegg)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($374.98 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Switch 810 (Black) ATX Full Tower Case ($185.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 750W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: BenQ XL2420T 120Hz 24.0" Monitor ($398.98 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $2357.19
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
November 2, 2012 3:08:59 PM

So does Newegg ship to Europe now?? How much does the shipping cost with all that HW incl the monitor and case I wonder...?
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November 2, 2012 3:10:37 PM

I would put in the Noctua NH-D14 instead of the NH-U12P.
November 2, 2012 3:15:46 PM

Thank you for the reply very nice breakdown of all the parts, it's appreciated.

Can this run Battlefield (1920x1080) at Ultra High, at >=60fps?

I can imagine that 2 GTX 670 (SLI) is better than 1 GTX 690, but why and how can I check this?

I too am wondering, does Newegg ship to Europe?

Thanks for the time
a b 4 Gaming
November 2, 2012 3:18:47 PM

yanxtar said:
Thank you for the reply very nice breakdown of all the parts, it's appreciated.

Can this run Battlefield (1920x1080) at Ultra High, at >=60fps?

I can imagine that 2 GTX 670 (SLI) is better than 1 GTX 690, but why and how can I check this?

I too am wondering, does Newegg ship to Europe?

Thanks for the time
I have no idea if Newegg ship to Europe i thought that's where you wanted parts from?And you can check sites like www.techpowerup.com/ to see benchmark results that are legit and not rigged yes you will max all games out with two 670's i do lol.
November 2, 2012 3:28:21 PM

Ah okay cool thanks for your time man really appreciated.
So how come 2 storages 1 tiny 1 massive? Is it because the smaller is for booting faster etc. and the large for actual storage? Sorry I am quite a noob at this but willing to learn!
a b 4 Gaming
November 2, 2012 3:34:55 PM

yanxtar said:
Ah okay cool thanks for your time man really appreciated.
So how come 2 storages 1 tiny 1 massive? Is it because the smaller is for booting faster etc. and the large for actual storage? Sorry I am quite a noob at this but willing to learn!
Yes the SSD is for your OS only here some reviews of the card with benchmarks if your interested http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r...
http://www.guru3d.com/article/msi-geforce-gtx-670-power...
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_670_Power_Ed...
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/4779/msi_geforce_gtx_6...

November 2, 2012 3:36:16 PM

The smaller one is a Solid State Drive which is really fast compared to traditional Hard Drives but of course much more expensive (although prices are going down).

According to this:
http://help.newegg.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/124
Newegg does NOT ship internationally.

You could try ordering from Germany (I live in Ireland and order my HW from Germany since it turns out much cheaper, even when shipping is included). Try sites like mindfactory.de (my fave) or hardwareversand.de.

What I do with new builds is that I order the monitor and case from Ireland itself (usually get some sort of free shipping deal) and then order the internal parts from Germany.
November 2, 2012 3:58:02 PM

bigcyco1 said:
Here 670 sli benchmarks although i think it's out dated a little because i get better results http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_6...


Wow nice, 125.6fps on BF3. Now they do say they used an i7 Intel Processor, and they don't mention what other graphics settings they had on or off, but I am very happy to see that GTX 670 SLI performs a lot better than single GTX 590 etc. so actually, I'm more than convinced this video card rig is amazing for what I want.

Thanks a lot for showing me a cheap/bang for buck method of getting a nice Battlefield experience Gaming PC. I'm going to buy these next summer, so the price will go down a lot don't you think? Maybe with that extra money I can get i7 instead of i5? Or is the upgrade not at all necessary for what I want? (smooth ultra high gfx gaming)

Thank you man really appreciating this
November 2, 2012 4:08:42 PM

If you're editing video then get an i7. Anyway, get the Haswell chips when they launch if you're buying in the summer (i'd expect a May-July launch time frame for Haswell).

Haswell => 4th generation core i7 processor
a b 4 Gaming
November 2, 2012 4:50:55 PM

yanxtar said:
Wow nice, 125.6fps on BF3. Now they do say they used an i7 Intel Processor, and they don't mention what other graphics settings they had on or off, but I am very happy to see that GTX 670 SLI performs a lot better than single GTX 590 etc. so actually, I'm more than convinced this video card rig is amazing for what I want.

Thanks a lot for showing me a cheap/bang for buck method of getting a nice Battlefield experience Gaming PC. I'm going to buy these next summer, so the price will go down a lot don't you think? Maybe with that extra money I can get i7 instead of i5? Or is the upgrade not at all necessary for what I want? (smooth ultra high gfx gaming)

Thank you man really appreciating this
Sure you can switch whatever you like if you want i7 go for it i don't see any valid reason to getting a i7 as gaming does not benefit from it to my knowledge
November 2, 2012 6:08:52 PM

Cool, I think I'm all updated and informed on today''s gaming pc standard, I'll be using a similar, if not, identical, build to the one you described above.

One last question for now, though, say I did replace the i5-3570K (3.4GHz)that you recommended (amazing CPU very happy with your choice), with a i7-3770K (3.5GHz), would I be running into any compatibility issues? Because that's the main thing I worry about with building a gaming PC is compatibility issues concerning the motherboard etc.
a b 4 Gaming
November 2, 2012 6:17:13 PM

yanxtar said:
Cool, I think I'm all updated and informed on today''s gaming pc standard, I'll be using a similar, if not, identical, build to the one you described above.

One last question for now, though, say I did replace the i5-3570K (3.4GHz)that you recommended (amazing CPU very happy with your choice), with a i7-3770K (3.5GHz), would I be running into any compatibility issues? Because that's the main thing I worry about with building a gaming PC is compatibility issues concerning the motherboard etc.
No the motherboard i recommended is compatible with i7-3770k so no worries there it will work fine ;) 
November 2, 2012 6:33:25 PM

yanxtar said:

Approximate Purchase Date: Summer 2013




Um.. maybe you should wait till summer 2013? New hardware will be released.
a b 4 Gaming
November 2, 2012 6:47:26 PM

gamingboy said:
Um.. maybe you should wait till summer 2013? New hardware will be released.
I think his plan is getting the parts at later date assuming they will be allot cheaper because new hardware will be out by then.
November 2, 2012 6:52:43 PM

bigcyco1 said:
I think his plan is getting the parts at later date assuming they will be allot cheaper because new hardware will be out by then.


Indeed !
a b 4 Gaming
November 2, 2012 6:53:06 PM

Yup - if you're buying next summer might want to see what Haswell has to offer first.

Also, wish that link had been very specific about BF3 settings and they also are likely benching single player. Multiplayer is much more demanding. A single 670 will hover near 60fps with dips around 50. You'll need to overclock the 3570k/3770k to around 3.9GHz (easily done) to keep from having any cores banging away at 100% utilization.

SLI/Crossfire has come a long way but consider getting a single, more powerful card to avoid driver profile problems. It's all what you're willing to put up with as some folks have no problems with their SLI.
November 2, 2012 6:59:37 PM

Cool, can you expand on 'driver profile problems' meanwhile I will do some research on it too.

Also, I checked again, that link actually says at the beginning that every game is max'd out in every way possible unless specifically stated otherwise.
I agree they probably went for singleplayer to get that FPS, but at least I now know that GTX 670 SLI easily destroys GTX 690 (single) performance-wise on Battlefield 3, which is really the important thing.

I am also researching about RAM speeds before I make my final build, because I will need at least 16Gb for smooth video editing. So now it's just a matter of how much difference really is there between DDR3-1600 and DDR3-2000 or higher (highest being DDR3-2400)

a b 4 Gaming
November 2, 2012 7:05:46 PM

There is no driver issues with sli 670 currently i have that setup it's fine i think hes refer to some have miroshutter though i don't so i am either lucky or i don't know what lol.
November 2, 2012 7:19:11 PM

1x16GB Ram? cheap

Or 4x4Gb Ram? expensive
and why?
a b 4 Gaming
November 2, 2012 7:24:24 PM

yanxtar said:
1x16GB Ram? cheap

Or 4x4Gb Ram? expensive
and why?
Not sure the reasoning behind different prices but i prefer buying my memory in sets i use dual channel if your going with my build and want 16gb i highly recommend 2x 8 lowprofile ram reason why so it doesn't conflict with the aftermarket cpu cooler plus you can run in dual channel mode.
a b 4 Gaming
November 2, 2012 7:26:25 PM

Every driver release addresses issues with new games but it *seems* like I read a lot of posts with people reporting SLI/Crossfire problems. Everyone's mileage varies so you won't know til you try :) 

With my current build I was trying to balance power consumption, performance, heat, and noise. Left myself the headroom to SLI down the road if it ever seems appropriate.

Regardless, bigcyco1's suggestion is a killer machine!
a b 4 Gaming
November 2, 2012 7:40:23 PM

Facepalm i spaced out your not buying today there is no reason to buy 1866 ram over 1600 i just recommended it because of the deal right now lol
November 2, 2012 7:48:23 PM

Haha don't worry about this it's interesting nonetheless to see my options.

Btw I read that the number after "DDR3-" (e.g. DDR3-1600) theoretically means faster if the number is higher (2400 being highest), but the difference is negligible, especially considering the price difference and compatibility issues attached to higher than 2000 (due to having to overclock your motherboard or downclock your RAM).

In a nutshell, in today's world, DDR3-1600 seems to be the best price-performance number, plus, more important than the number after "DDR3" is the CAS (lower=better) so a DDR3-2400 with CAS 10 is slower than DDR3-1600 with CAS 7 if you understand what I mean (CAS>number after "DDR3-")

Anyway so I'm looking to get a DDR3-1600, 2x8Gb RAM Module, the one you linked earlier is perfect, I'm just looking round to see for better prices or to see if 1x16 or 4x4Gb is better, it's just interesting
a b 4 Gaming
November 2, 2012 7:53:03 PM

yanxtar said:
Haha don't worry about this it's interesting nonetheless to see my options.

Btw I read that the number after "DDR3-" (e.g. DDR3-1600) theoretically means faster if the number is higher (2400 being highest), but the difference is negligible, especially considering the price difference and compatibility issues attached to higher than 2000 (due to having to overclock your motherboard or downclock your RAM).

In a nutshell, in today's world, DDR3-1600 seems to be the best price-performance number, plus, more important than the number after "DDR3" is the CAS (lower=better) so a DDR3-2400 with CAS 10 is slower than DDR3-1600 with CAS 7 if you understand what I mean (CAS>number after "DDR3-")

Anyway so I'm looking to get a DDR3-1600, 2x8Gb RAM Module, the one you linked earlier is perfect, I'm just looking round to see for better prices or to see if 1x16 or 4x4Gb is better, it's just interesting
Yeah totally understandable i always buy 2133 ram but i can't tell a difference from 1600 until i run benchmarks then i see difference which isn't worth the extra $ btw to most i just am into overclocking hardcore :pt1cable:  :lol: 
November 2, 2012 8:00:51 PM

bigcyco1 said:
Yeah totally understandable i always buy 2133 ram but i can't tell a difference from 1600 until i run benchmarks then i see difference which isn't worth the extra $ btw to most i just am into overclocking hardcore :pt1cable:  :lol: 


Can I assume then that you have this motherboard? If so, can I ask what your memory build is like exactly (brand and everything if you can please), because I just found out that 2x8Gb might not be compatible with that MOBO, though I might be completely wrong about that
a b 4 Gaming
November 2, 2012 8:06:22 PM

^ I have two builds the motherboards are Asus Maximus iv Extreme-Z and GIGABYTE GA-Z77X-UP4 TH my son and my cousin have the Asus P8Z77-V PRO
November 2, 2012 8:11:56 PM

bigcyco1 said:
^ I have two builds the motherboards are Asus Maximus iv Extreme-Z and GIGABYTE GA-Z77X-UP4 TH


Ah okay, so you don't have the Asus P8Z77-V PRO ATX LGA1155, that is fair enough haha

It's because I read on ASUS website QVL, that actually it isn't compatible with RAM cards higher than 4Gb, so with 4 slots, the maximum memory output is 16Gb, and that's with every brand, and every speed. I would have preferred 2x8Gb, so that later I can improve to 4x8Gb (for 32Gb), so I am confirming whether what I said above^ is true or not with the pros over at Memory, I'll post here my final BF3-ready build when I hear from them!
a b 4 Gaming
November 2, 2012 8:16:02 PM

No problem sounds good.The ram i use in my motherboards i won't recommend you to get it will void your cpu warranty G.Skill Sniper 2133mhz
Mushkin red 2133mhz
a b 4 Gaming
November 2, 2012 8:45:53 PM

Hey, just as a note...

You don't need to get anywhere close to $2500 to get 60+ FPS at 1080p. If you wanted that while playing on three monitors, then yes, but... My single 670 averages 50 FPS on ultra at 1080p.

Also, dont bother buying an i7 - the i5 3570k when overclocked will max out any card to come for two or three generations.
November 2, 2012 9:03:22 PM

With extensive help from people all around Tom's Hardware forums but mainly bigcyco1, after a long but interesting day of researching I have finally decided my build

My Ultimate Battlefield 3 Ultra GFX >60fps Ready Gaming PC Build is:

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U12P SE2 54.4 CFM CPU Cooler ($67.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus P8Z77-V PRO ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($208.49 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($117.85 @ Newegg)
Storage: OCZ Vertex 4 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($104.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($374.98 @ Newegg)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($374.98 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Switch 810 (Black) ATX Full Tower Case ($185.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 750W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: BenQ XL2420T 120Hz 24.0" Monitor ($398.98 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $2397.19
a b 4 Gaming
November 2, 2012 9:14:53 PM

yanxtar said:
With extensive help from people all around Tom's Hardware forums but mainly bigcyco1, after a long but interesting day of researching I have finally decided my build

My Ultimate Battlefield 3 Ultra GFX >60fps Ready Gaming PC Build is:

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U12P SE2 54.4 CFM CPU Cooler ($67.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus P8Z77-V PRO ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($208.49 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($117.85 @ Newegg)
Storage: OCZ Vertex 4 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($104.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($374.98 @ Newegg)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($374.98 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Switch 810 (Black) ATX Full Tower Case ($185.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 750W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: BenQ XL2420T 120Hz 24.0" Monitor ($398.98 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $2397.19
:o  GIFSoup what a beast! :lol: 
November 2, 2012 10:00:57 PM

I dont see why you would want to go with an Ivy Bridge, I mean the Z77 platform is amazing for overclocking and compliments Sandy Bridge better in that respect . The i7 2700k can hit 5Ghz easy and destroy the i5 3570k and every other CPU for $40 more! An H100 with quieter fans like two AP-15's will keep everything real cool

Both UP4 and P8-Z77 V PRO are amazing boards.
November 2, 2012 10:02:04 PM



Sorry but Nah, Razer all the way bro, they make the best gaming peripherals and gaming gear and also best bang for buck (also honest when it comes to stuff like DPI etc.), so I will hook myself up with:

Mouse: Razer Taipan Gaming Mouse - $79.99
Keyboard: Razer BlackWidow Ultimate Stealth Edition Gaming Keyboard - $139.99
Headset: Razer Tiamat 7.1 Gaming Headset - $179.99
Mouse Pad: Razer Goliathus Extended Gaming Mouse Pad Speed Edition - $34.99

Because a Gaming PC is useless if your gear is no good! Your skill is capped by crappy gear, with the high-end Razer gear it immediately improves your game. High quality hardware, especially peripherals is essential in them gaimz.
a b 4 Gaming
November 2, 2012 10:06:34 PM

yanxtar said:
Sorry but Nah, Razer all the way bro, they make the best gaming peripherals and gaming gear and also best bang for buck (also honest when it comes to stuff like DPI etc.), so I will hook myself up with:

Mouse: Razer Taipan Gaming Mouse - $79.99
Keyboard: Razer BlackWidow Ultimate Stealth Edition Gaming Keyboard - $139.99
Headset: Razer Tiamat 7.1 Gaming Headset - $179.99
Mouse Pad: Razer Goliathus Extended Gaming Mouse Pad Speed Edition - $34.99

Because a Gaming PC is useless if your gear is no good! Your skill is capped by crappy gear, with the high-end Razer gear it immediately improves your game. High quality hardware, especially peripherals is essential in them gaimz.
That's all a matter of ones personal opinion to be honest but those are great choices imo. I have that keyboard i use it with my other build ;) 
November 2, 2012 10:08:39 PM

redeemer said:
I dont see why you would want to go with an Ivy Bridge, I mean the Z77 platform is amazing for overclocking and compliments Sandy Bridge better in that respect . The i7 2700k can hit 5Ghz easy and destroy the i5 3570k and every other CPU for $40 more! An H100 with quieter fans like two AP-15's will keep everything real cool

Both UP4 and P8-Z77 V PRO are amazing boards.



I am obviously still very much open to suggestions, I will be adjusting my build bit by bit over next year to ensure compatibility and everything is top notch so with that said:

What do you man Ivy Bridge? I do not see that on my build, so I'm guessing it's a term used for some sort of combination of parts..maybe? In case it wasn't obvious, I am pretty much a complete noob at building my own gaming pc, but the community here has helped me out so far it'd be awesome if you could share some wisdom and shed some light on the topic of Ivy bridge-Snady Bridge etc
November 2, 2012 10:41:43 PM

if you are set on buying from US companies that don't ship internationally:
check out this site.
https://bongous.com

You may really want to get it built instead of buying parts; as postage for returns will be cost-prohibitive.
November 2, 2012 10:54:17 PM

raytseng said:
if you are set on buying from US companies that don't ship internationally:
check out this site.
https://bongous.com

You may really want to get it built instead of buying parts; as postage for returns will be cost-prohibitive.


Don't worry, today's quest was to find my perfect BF3 Gaming PC build for around €2000 and I succeeded. The parts themselves I can order separately from Amazon.co.uk (England ships to Belgium very efficiently) or even Germany for cheaper parts.

I am not having the PC built for me, because as I have already personally experienced, companies that do that for you usually thrive in ripping you off, and if they're not ripping you off you still end up paying more, I'd rather buy the parts and assemble it myself.
November 2, 2012 10:55:47 PM

With that kind of budget, why not try out a 2560 by 1440/1600 screen instead? Or maybe have a look at a radeon HD card as well? Don't get stuck into preferences etc, unless its with a seller. So far this generation right now nvidia is getting destroyed in bang for buck at nearly every price point, not sure bout high end though.
a b 4 Gaming
November 2, 2012 11:05:38 PM

redeemer said:
I dont see why you would want to go with an Ivy Bridge, I mean the Z77 platform is amazing for overclocking and compliments Sandy Bridge better in that respect . The i7 2700k can hit 5Ghz easy and destroy the i5 3570k and every other CPU for $40 more! An H100 with quieter fans like two AP-15's will keep everything real cool

Both UP4 and P8-Z77 V PRO are amazing boards.
All good points that i can agree with except H-100 :heink:  either watercool the right way or don't do it at all imo H-100 is like a fisher price type watercooling and not worth it's price for it's performance but to each his/her own. ;) 
November 3, 2012 2:43:10 AM

bigcyco1 said:
All good points that i can agree with except H-100 :heink:  either watercool the right way or don't do it at all imo H-100 is like a fisher price type watercooling and not worth it's price for it's performance but to each his/her own. ;) 


The H100 with decent fans is an excellent cooler, and it should not be compared to a full WC loop anyway. Yes a raystorm block and a 360 rad is salivating nonetheless, OP's watercooling knowledge??
a b 4 Gaming
November 3, 2012 3:00:27 AM

redeemer said:
The H100 with decent fans is an excellent cooler, and it should not be compared to a full WC loop anyway. Yes a raystorm block and a 360 rad is salivating nonetheless, OP's watercooling knowledge??
Good question and maybe your right H-100 should not be compared to it because really H-100 should not even be called water cooling but for the price of H-100 + replacing those loud ass garbage fans you can buy a rasa kit which will out preform the H-100 any day of the week!However if your a water cooling noob and do not care to learn how to do it and just want it to claim you water cool or to show off then H-100 might be the way to go.
;) 
a b 4 Gaming
November 3, 2012 4:39:08 AM

yanxtar said:
Sorry but Nah, Razer all the way bro, they make the best gaming peripherals and gaming gear and also best bang for buck (also honest when it comes to stuff like DPI etc.), so I will hook myself up with:

Mouse: Razer Taipan Gaming Mouse - $79.99
Keyboard: Razer BlackWidow Ultimate Stealth Edition Gaming Keyboard - $139.99
Headset: Razer Tiamat 7.1 Gaming Headset - $179.99
Mouse Pad: Razer Goliathus Extended Gaming Mouse Pad Speed Edition - $34.99

Because a Gaming PC is useless if your gear is no good! Your skill is capped by crappy gear, with the high-end Razer gear it immediately improves your game. High quality hardware, especially peripherals is essential in them gaimz.
Good choices as i mentioned but i missed the whole $35 for a mouse pad sorry bro but unless your rich that is just a retarded buy i highly recommend a big hell no i won't be played for a sucker not buying that in fact i am calling them tomorrow to ask if it's a misprint or they just smoke a lot of crack.Since you mentioned your open to other suggestions here is few do you only want Nvidia? Simple, GTX 680 DirectCU II was born TOP, a video card generous in every respect. With high performance and the heat sink slot DirectCU II to the top of the range 3 ASUS is set to make inroads into the hearts of hardcore overclockers thanks to a generous factory overclock and quality components designed to increase the frequency.Although not part of the series "ROG" the GTX 680 DirectCU II Top trace the line between video cards ASUS Classic those belonging to the elite end, it encloses, in an evening gown, the muscles of a ROG without but resume particulars identifying video cards Matrix.This 680 is the shot caller slaps the other 680's around makes them bow down! I would be all over that Asus TOP for its high factory overclock, cool temps, and really, really quiet fans,heavily modified PCB, with an efficient VRM design to produce low temperatures, improved voltage regulation circuitry, much better Chil controller , specially binned chip and voltage control and monitoring support that you won't find on most other non-reference cards.The thing a straight beast!If your not bias and open to AMD and prefer to spend less i would go for AMD's HD 7970 and its more powerful brother HD 7970 GHz Edition have been on the market for a while now. MSI has also launched their HD 7970 Lightning in June. Now ASUS has released the HD 7970 Matrix - a card that will directly compete with MSI's HD 7970 Lightning.ASUS has increased clock speeds to 1100 MHz. That is 50 MHz more than the GHz Edition and higher than any other HD 7970 card, including the MSI Lightning. Memory clock is, with 1650 MHz, also higher than any other AMD card.




The card comes with a powerful triple slot cooling solution and adds many features for hardcore overclockers like support for VGA Hotwire, voltage control, and three buttons for direct GPU voltage control. You will also find voltage measuring points and a Turbo-fan button to set fan speed to 100% on the card.


Price-wise, the HD 7970 Matrix comes at $480, which is quite a price increase given AMD's recent price drops for the HD 7970.The other cards i would recommend are Sapphire's HD 7950 Vapor-X comes with a large dual-fan cooler that uses the company's famous vapor-chamber technology. On the Vapor-X you will also find a "Lethal Boost" button which switches to a second BIOS with higher clock speeds. With this BIOS, clocks are increased to 950 MHz GPU and 1250 MHz memory.
Pricing of the Sapphire HD 7950 Vapor-X is $330 and well worth the price i bought my son this card and he can pretty much max out all games settings on ultra @ 1920 X 1080. Also, going back to my first recommendation MSI's GTX 670 Power Edition uses the famous Twin Frozr IV cooler from the MSI Lightning and comes with a large clock speed boost out of the box, making its default clock speed even higher than GTX 680 stock clocks.That would be a solid choice for the price imo they currently are going for $389.99 a piece that doesn't look unreasonable, given the improved cooling and higher clocks Trust me two of these cards will murder anything you throw at them and that's a fact no maybes about it but it's up to you.One thing not to get to stressed out on or focus on to hard There are a few issues: 1) People make claims without backing it up with proof, 2) People make blanket statements, when the reality is that certain games favor certain hardware, 3) People make a few FPS advantage seem like a "win", when it usually falls within the margin of error and makes no difference in terms of performance. 4)TH has sadly become filled with fanboys who sip red/green kool aid all day long they argue for days on end about these sorts of questions it's really pathetic imo both companies make great cards and it all depends on allot of factors which is best for a person.Your going here 7970GHz is best your going to hear 670/680 is best that is based on ones opinion or certain factors that would make one better then the other.Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level then beat you with experience.The best thing to do is do your own research and check all the many reliable professional review sites and don't always believe everything someone tells you.That's the bottom line.... these sites are legit and professional http://www.guru3d.com/
www.hardocp.com/
www.anandtech.com/
www.hardwarecanucks.com
www.techpowerup.com/ i recommend you check reviews on them about which card is better look at benchmarks figure it out on your own asking on a public forum your going to be brainwashed by fanboys with links to out dated reviews and all different slick tricks to make the card they prefer look better As far as which monitor is for you all depends Response Rate


The response rate of an LCD monitor refers to how quickly each pixel on the screen can change color. The lower the response rate, the faster the screen updates. If you are playing fast-paced action game for example, where the images change quickly, if you're playing on a monitor with a slower response rate, you may experience what is known as "ghosting". Ghosting happens when the previous image displayed on the screen can still be seen as a blur for moments after the image has changed.


When choosing the best gaming monitor, the response rate is perhaps the single most important factor to consider. Ghosting and motion blur can ruin your overall gaming experience. The faster the response rate of your monitor, the less ghosting you will see.


I would say that an LCD with a response rate of 5ms is the minimum for gaming. Lower than 5ms is better of course (remember that the lower, the faster), and the very best gaming monitors on the market have extremely fast response rates such as 2ms and lower to avoid any ghosting/blur issues completely.



LED vs LCD Monitors


LED monitors are the exact same as LCD monitors, except they use LED backlighting which provides some advantages such as a brighter and sharper display, thinner screen, and lower power usage.


LED monitors currently cost a little more than a standard LCD, but if you want the best gaming monitor then I would definitely suggest you buy one. If not, a standard LCD monitor with a good response rate will do just fine.



What Size Monitor?


Ultimately, the size you go for is totally up to you and how much you're willing to spend. Obviously the larger the screen, the more expensive it will be, but for the best gaming monitor experience I would suggest at least 19", and go for a widescreen LCD if you can. Nothing beats gaming on a nice, decent-sized widescreen monitor.


If you want the most immersive gaming experience possible and you have the money to spend, go for a quality 23" or 24" screen, or even 25" and above. After gaming on such a massive screen you won't ever want to go back to a smaller screen!



Contrast Ratio


The contrast ratio of a monitor can be a helpful spec to generally compare picture quality between different monitors. In general, the higher the contrast ratio, the better the picture quality.


With high contrast ratios your screen can produce deeper black levels, which creates a more immersive and visually sharp experience. Keep in mind that the contrast ratio isn't always an accurate measure of image quality, so don't use it solely to compare two monitors as there's more to it than that.



Viewing Angle


If you look at an LCD monitor from an angle, you will notice that the image appears dimmer and the colors can look weird. At extreme angles the entire image can even disappear. The viewing angle of an LCD monitor is the angle at which you can still view the screen clearly, and is usually listed in the monitor's specifications list.


The greater the viewing angle, the better, but for gamers the viewing angle doesn't really matter because you are looking directly at the screen the whole time. But there are some people who will consider the viewing angle important, for example if you need to show presentations with your LCD monitor.



Matte vs Glossy Screens There are two kinds of modern LCD screens: matte (anti-glare) and glossy. Both have their pros and cons and are a subject of many discussions.


Matte screens don't get glare or reflections on them; however, the same rough surface (polarizer) that reduces the intensity of reflected light results in less contrast and brightness since the light from the LCD screen has to pass through it. Matte screens diffuse light instead of reflecting it so they might be easier to read outdoors, if the backlight provides enough brightness. You don't have to worry about reflections unlike with a glossy screen. One of the downsides of a strong anti-glare coating in matte displays is a grainy "crystalline" pattern which is mostly visible when viewing text on a white background.


Glossy screens have vibrant colors and high contrast and brightness because they have a smooth, high-gloss surface. As a result, it is often the choice for movies or gaming. However, strong lighting sources in the environment cause glare on these screens which is not only annoying, but can also cause eye strain and pain. If the lighting isn't adequate, you will also see distracting reflections on the screen. Some graphics designers may find the colors inaccurate, although that mostly depends on the LCD matrix. Glossy will work great for you if the lighting in your room doesn't create any glare on the screen. 120Hz
Why a 120Hz Refresh Rate Computer Monitor?
120Hz Vs. 60Hz
120 Hz vs. 60Hz Refresh Rate - Source: BenQBoth response time, the time it takes for a pixel to go from black to white and back again, and input lag, the difference in time that it takes for you to input a command into your computer and see it displayed, are very well-known terms in the gaming community. Few gamers think about the impact that a higher refresh rate will have on their game.


What is Refresh Rate?


Refresh rate is basically the amount of times in a second that a monitor will draw the data which it receives. Most TN and IPS panel monitors have a 60Hz refresh rate. In order to really see all the advantages that come with a 120Hz display you should be gaming at an FPS well above 60.


Benefits of 120Hz:


1. Details are more crisp, smoothly rendered, and lifelike.
2. More Responsive
November 3, 2012 5:06:17 AM

Hmmm...kind of lost track of this thread.

Anyway, difference above 2133 is unlikely to be noticed. In fact, even b/w 1600 and 2133, the difference is largely academic.

And i think 1x16 GB is less expensive because it's 1 stick, in the other case you have 4 sticks.

Assuming all sticks have modules on moth sides, that's 16 modules for the 16GB stick, but 4x16 modules for the others.

Naturally there's a higher Bill of Materials.

Plus that's a kit and the sticks are guaranteed to work with each other.

There's about two more years of DDR3 left before DDR4 comes in (Haswell will be DDR3, so will broadwell from what i read), so while prices may not drop by huge amount over the next year, i think you should find the 4x4GB kit for about 20% less in summer.

Note that an i7 won't benefit much in gaming (for now), but should help significantly in video editing.
November 3, 2012 7:40:54 AM

Since you don't actually build your system until summer 2013 which is 8 months away, I suggest you hold up for now and come back around June to post the question. Technology moves pretty quickly, in 8 months everything people recommend here will be 1 generation old, especially when Haswell (4th gen Intel Core architecture) is out in April 2013 or so and next gen video card from both AMD and Nvidia will be out around the same time frame.
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