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September 6, 2012 9:45:05 PM

Hey all,

I built my current rig about 4 years ago. I'm running a Q6600 quad core OCed @ 2.7 Ghz, 4 GB RAM, and an 8800GT 512 MB. I recently started playing the "War of the Roses" beta, and I want to max it out. Presently, I can run it on mid-high settings, but the FPS isn't "perfect."

Obviously, this system is dated, and my best bet would be to do a whole new upgrade, but I don't have the cash. Bottom line, what would be the best bang for buck upgrade out there that would not be bottlenecked by the CPU or the PCI-E 1.1 interface that my mobo is limited to? I looked at the HD 6670 & 6770, but the 6670 actually looked like it performed worse than the 8800GT, and the 6770 was only a very small improvement.

I was looking at benchmarks and cards, and the 460 GTX stuck out, but I'm so out the loop these days with hardware that I honestly don't have a clue as to what would be a good value buy for my needs in this situation.

Thanks a lot.

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a c 191 U Graphics card
September 6, 2012 9:47:44 PM

What's your budget? The GTX460 is a good card, yet they don't really sell them new. The equivalent would be the Radeon HD 7770 or 6850. The 7770 is just a tad slower while using alot less power. The 6850 uses more and is just a little faster.

Personally I would go with whichever one you can find a free game with.
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a b U Graphics card
September 6, 2012 10:01:48 PM

I am assuming that you are in the market for a good second hand card... best bang for buck I have found (I run a very similar system as you) is a 4870x2.

I guess you are uk based?

I got mine from avforums classifieds ( the goes like hell edition super overclock) for £65... It keeps up with 6970's and 7850's (according to 3dmark vantage and other benches) but suffers on heavily tesselated games.

It should just about max out most games @ 1080p. If you have a higher res monitor (which I doubt as you are on a budget) then maybe you need better, but I think it is the best for the budget gamer.
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September 6, 2012 10:04:44 PM

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What's your budget? The GTX460 is a good card, yet they don't really sell them new. The equivalent would be the Radeon HD 7770 or 6850. The 7770 is just a tad slower while using alot less power. The 6850 uses more and is just a little faster.

Personally I would go with whichever one you can find a free game with.


Thanks for the quick reply!

Is this fairly accurate? http://www.hwcompare.com/12029/geforce-8800-gt-512mb-vs...

If so, it looks like quite the improvement at a nice price. Excellent suggestion. Are there any other cards similar to the 7770 or the 6850 that you'd suggest looking at? FWIW, $100-200 is ideal for me, so these cards are great.
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a b U Graphics card
September 6, 2012 10:08:51 PM

both the 6850 and 7770 are good choices. They are brand new, so have DX11 and better tesselation.

What resolution are you on?

They also consume lots less power if you worry about that. HOWEVER, my 4870x2 GLH Edition is better value. cheaper and better performance in most situations.
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September 6, 2012 10:09:45 PM

americanbrian said:
I am assuming that you are in the market for a good second hand card... best bang for buck I have found (I run a very similar system as you) is a 4870x2.

I guess you are uk based?

I got mine from avforums classifieds ( the goes like hell edition super overclock) for £65... It keeps up with 6970's and 7850's (according to 3dmark vantage and other benches) but suffers on heavily tesselated games.

It should just about max out most games @ 1080p. If you have a higher res monitor (which I doubt as you are on a budget) then maybe you need better, but I think it is the best for the budget gamer.


Thanks! No, I'm in the States. Was looking at the 4870x2. My only misgiving is that it's about as old as the 8800GT. Admittedly, it seems to perform at a much higher level, but unless I could find one for around $50-60, I'd probably go with something newer. Who knows though; I'll check e-bay.

Any other cards you'd suggest?

Also, my monitor is 1440x900 (about 4ish years old as well). I don't think that qualifies as high-res, but it's pretty enough for me.

Also, this benchmark list, is it relatively useful as far as practical performance is concerned? I.e., can I take those numbers and assume that something rated at 2,000 is going to give substantially better FPS than something at around 900 (the 8800GT, for example)? http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html
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a b U Graphics card
September 6, 2012 10:12:59 PM

where are you based? check craigslist near you. I have had a look on ebay, not many great deals there.
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September 6, 2012 10:17:50 PM

americanbrian said:
both the 6850 and 7770 are good choices. They are brand new, so have DX11 and better tesselation.

What resolution are you on?

They also consume lots less power if you worry about that. HOWEVER, my 4870x2 GLH Edition is better value. cheaper and better performance in most situations.

where are you based? check craigslist near you. I have had a look on ebay, not many great deals there.


Was just looking at e-bay, yeah, they start at around $160.

I'm on 1440x900.

So the 4870x2 outperforms the 7770 and 6850 straight up?

Based in the upper Midwest. I'll look at craigslist really quickly.
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a b U Graphics card
September 6, 2012 10:18:10 PM

and BTW at that resolution you could max everything on any of these cards.... Maybe look at getting a nice new 22" + monitor next. much better experience.
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a b U Graphics card
September 6, 2012 10:20:16 PM

MY 4870x2 outperforms those cards straight up as mine is factory oc'ed (a lot) MY 4870x2 has a triple slot cooler. it is a beast.

A normal 4870x2 would be on par. virtually the same.
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September 6, 2012 10:22:15 PM

You don't think the CPU or the old 1.1 PCI-E interface will bottleneck the cards at all?
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a b U Graphics card
September 6, 2012 10:23:10 PM

That 6870 for $100 looks pretty effin sweet dude. I would jump on it if I were you, best of both worlds. A proper upgrade and very much still current tech.
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a b U Graphics card
September 6, 2012 10:24:33 PM

at that resolution you will not see any issues. (the framerate will be bottlenecked @ like 120FPS(in that you could make it go 170 with a i7 or something , but it won't look any different, anything stable above 60 is fine)
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September 6, 2012 10:30:09 PM

americanbrian said:
oh and BTW, this is what the HW compare says between a stock 4870x2 and the radeon 7770.

http://www.hwcompare.com/11930/radeon-hd-4870-x2-vs-rad...


Holy *** @ that power consumption. A stock 4870x2 kills that card; I can't imagine how well it does OCed.

Was looking at the HD 6870. Just concerned about the PSU, as it's a 50 watt jump for that card vs. my 8800.
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a b U Graphics card
September 6, 2012 10:31:27 PM

take it with a pinch of salt. hwcompare is a brief of some basic technically specs, not a true performance picture.

But it is like cars in some ways. The older honda civic type R is faster than the new one ( and has more space). an old porsche 911 turbo will still kick the ass off of a brand new middle range car (your pick).

The 4870x2 is the old ferrari, sure there are newer better ferraris now, but if its a choice between an old ferrari or a new ford....

EDIT: as far as power consumption goes it is also like cars you can get 70MPG from a car nowadays, but the old speedsters still guzzle.
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a b U Graphics card
September 6, 2012 10:37:00 PM

Yeah, I have a 800W modular PSU, figured it should be able to take anything that comes out (even 2 of most if needed as the max of the spec is 350W per card)
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a b U Graphics card
September 6, 2012 10:38:42 PM

yeah the spec sheet says you can pull 19amps on each of the two 12V rails.

that gives you a max wattage of 456W. Should be plenty...

(for the 6870)
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September 6, 2012 10:43:26 PM

Good news is, I just found an HD6870 on craigslist as well for $100, about a couple miles away. I might commit. Not sure.
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September 6, 2012 10:46:57 PM

My suggestion:
7850
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...

You can get a 6870 but for $30 more you're getting something better and new, I'd go for 7850 even if you're gaming at that resolution, its best to have extra power for when you upgrade later, than not having enough.

6870 prices, just in case:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...


Performance comparison:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/540?vs=549

Also, forget about the bottleneck, as I said before. More power is better than not enough.
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a b U Graphics card
September 6, 2012 10:47:31 PM

yes great upgrade, great price...
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September 6, 2012 10:56:55 PM

Thanks for the reply!

Problem is, I can get a 6870 locally for $100. No such deals for the 7850, I'm afraid. Performance bump looks marginal and hardly worth the extra $80.
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a b U Graphics card
September 6, 2012 10:56:55 PM

^^ That card is $80 more than the 6870. But it certainly is a better card overall. MAybe you can find a second hand one cheaper, but they are so new few people are selling them much lower than retail...

I suppose it is down to budget really.
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a b U Graphics card
September 6, 2012 10:57:57 PM

beaten fair and square Henry, you type faster than me ;) 
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September 6, 2012 11:05:38 PM

americanbrian said:
beaten fair and square Henry, you type faster than me ;) 

:D 
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September 6, 2012 11:10:09 PM

Best answer selected by Henry Plantagenet.
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September 6, 2012 11:11:10 PM

Strange that I was able to find that $100 deal for the same card a couple miles away. I just hope it hasn't been had by someone else yet.
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a b U Graphics card
September 6, 2012 11:12:38 PM

HD 6870 is GREAT at our resolution. I highly recommend it. Though I still have trouble keeping Crysis 1 and 2 at a solid 40-45fps...
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a b U Graphics card
September 7, 2012 8:16:57 AM

^^ its probably the CPU that is dragging you that low, I bet with an OC'ed i5 2500k you would keep it up easily.
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a c 271 U Graphics card
September 7, 2012 8:28:20 AM

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