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November 5, 2012 7:00:28 AM

Approximate Purchase Date: ASAP
Budget Range: 800 €, but less would be great
System Usage from Most to Least Important: Playing League of Legends, surfing, watching movies, streaming
Are you buying a monitor: No, already got 2 (1920x1080 and 1280x1024)

Do you need to buy OS: No
Preferred Website(s) for Parts: www.e-tec.at (cause I can pick up the parts there myself, rather than having to wait for them to be shipped)
Location: Linz, Austria

Additional Comments:

So my PC broke last Thursday, probably the mainboard and all my hard drives which is kinda weird, but well. That's how it goes. As I wanted to buy a new setup anyway, I'll take this as a devine sign.
My gaming enthusiasm has withered away during the years, so I am now playing League of Legends pretty much exclusively. That means that I am not looking for a high end gaming graphics card and so on, simply because I won't make good use of it. What I would like though is a rather quick working station, with fast access and boot times, one that can handle several tasks at the same time (like copying files, watching a stream and playing at the same time on two monitors).

I suppose I want a SSD for speed, maybe an onboard graphics card would even be enough to handle League of Legends (Recommended system requirements:
3 GHz processor, 4 GB of RAM, GeForce 8800 or equivalent video card).

Concerning my budget, 800€ are the savings I can spend, but keeping some of it would be neat. If the PC does what I want and costs less, I'd like that a lot.

I would greatly appreciate your help, spending more time without a PC is not cool, so I want to get a new one as soon as possible.

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November 5, 2012 7:52:44 AM

How about this:

AMD A10-5800k w/ Radeon HD7660D
http://www.e-tec.at/frame1/details.php?art=141420

Asus F2A85-M
http://www.e-tec.at/frame1/details.php?art=141598

Corsair Vengeance 8GB DDR3-1866MHz
http://www.e-tec.at/frame1/details.php?art=128618

Samsung 830 256GB SSD
http://www.e-tec.at/frame1/details.php?art=133560

Corsair Carbide Series 300R
http://www.e-tec.at/frame1/details.php?art=128936

CoolerMaster Hyper 212 Evo
http://www.e-tec.at/frame1/details.php?art=134900

Corsair CX 500W CX 500CXEU V2 PSU
http://www.e-tec.at/frame1/details.php?art=110452

Total: ~€623

You can always get yourself a Radeon HD6770 and Crossfire it with the onboard graphics if you ever find yourself in need of more graphical power but this processor has the best onboard graphics atm. And apparently the processor OCs pretty well too.
November 5, 2012 8:58:59 AM

First of all, thanks for the build.

Do you think it's worth getting this tower, rather than another one that's cheaper? I honestly do not understand what the differences or advantages are between the different models. Would be great if you could explain why you picked this one.

And another question: I have a Radeon 4890 from my old PC, can I use it with this build? I thought that hooking up one monitor to each the onboard and the Radeon could improve performance. I could be horribly wrong though.
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November 5, 2012 9:33:41 AM

Well, the site doesn't have a huge selection of quality cases available, but this is a decent one. Reason I chose it is because it's very good quality and veeery upgrade proof, if you were to ever upgrade to a higher end build. Has great cable management, front USB 3.0, great airflow, etc etc... Just a good allrounder. But you can, of course, get a cheaper one if it can fit all your hardware (most will, of course).

Woah, dude! You never mentioned you had a 4890... That's gonna be better than any onbaord graphics you could find! That kinda changes things. You should keep using the 4890 (it should support dual monitors) and just buy a new processor, mobo, RAM, PSU, SSD and you could even use the same case you already have if you want.

Would you prefer to go Intel or AMD?
November 5, 2012 9:58:07 AM

I have had only good experiences with AMD over the years, but if Intel offers a better performance for the same price, I am all game. I don't have any brand preferences per se.
November 5, 2012 10:01:19 AM

Also, thanks for explaining why you'd pick this case, I never knew there was so much to them.

Apparently I can't edit my own posts, so double post.
a b 4 Gaming
November 5, 2012 4:28:22 PM


You may save €20 with the AMD A8-5600K Trinity APU Black Edition. A DDR3 2133MHz kit would work just dandy if on the mobo QVL list.

The Trinity APU would give your HD4890 a good run. The iGPU blows past an HD5770 for the most part, especially when OC'ed with fast RAMs.



November 5, 2012 4:55:29 PM

Except for the switching part (AMD FX-6100 for the AMD A8-5600K), I have no idea what you just said.
November 5, 2012 4:56:41 PM

Also, the price difference would be 9€. Is that worth it?
a c 271 4 Gaming
November 5, 2012 5:04:43 PM

empeel said:
Except for the switching part (AMD FX-6100 for the AMD A8-5600K), I have no idea what you just said.


The integrated graphics on the Trinity APU are better than your old 4890. The Radeon 7660 that is integrated into the CPU is a good performer for the money, you wouldn't have to buy a new GPU or reuse your old one.
November 5, 2012 5:29:41 PM

So getting the Trinity APU would be both cheaper and better for my performance? Is it merely a matter of trading one for the other or would I have to change other parts too, to make it fit it (the RAMs)?

AMD FX-Series FX-6100, 6x 3.30GHz, boxed > AMD A8-5600K Trinity APU Black Edition
ASROCK AM3+ 970 Extreme4 (GBL/R/F/DDRIII)
Corsair ValueSelect DIMM 8GB PC3-10667U CL9-9-9-24
Samsung 830 Series 128GB, 2.5", SATA III
Corsair Carbide Series 300R
CoolerMaster Hyper 212 Evo
CORSAIR CX 500W CX 500CXEU V2
Old Radeon 4890

Like that? Also, it would be nice if someone could check if that motherboard is the right one, it doesn't have the trinity part in the product description.
a c 271 4 Gaming
November 5, 2012 6:57:07 PM

empeel said:
So getting the Trinity APU would be both cheaper and better for my performance? Is it merely a matter of trading one for the other or would I have to change other parts too, to make it fit it (the RAMs)?

AMD FX-Series FX-6100, 6x 3.30GHz, boxed > AMD A8-5600K Trinity APU Black Edition
ASROCK AM3+ 970 Extreme4 (GBL/R/F/DDRIII)
Corsair ValueSelect DIMM 8GB PC3-10667U CL9-9-9-24
Samsung 830 Series 128GB, 2.5", SATA III
Corsair Carbide Series 300R
CoolerMaster Hyper 212 Evo
CORSAIR CX 500W CX 500CXEU V2
Old Radeon 4890

Like that? Also, it would be nice if someone could check if that motherboard is the right one, it doesn't have the trinity part in the product description.


That all looks good but that motherboard won't work with a 5800K, you will need something like this: http://www.e-tec.at/frame1/details.php?art=142809

And then get different RAM, I don't trust "value" parts under most circumstances, get this: http://www.e-tec.at/frame1/details.php?art=110370
a b 4 Gaming
November 5, 2012 8:51:38 PM


The DX11 shaders on the Trinity APU would slay ambient occlusion, tessellation and OpenGL/CL. You would likely get higher frames on the HD4890 because it would only run DX9 with less detail than DX11. The Trinity APU, though, when OC'ed (you will go 900-1000MHz on the iGPU), may well beat on the HD4890 in DX9.

Yeah ... you need an FM2 *Hudson* motherboard. It would help if you invest in the Asus F2A85-M Pro A85X to go along with the A8-5600K Trinity APU. Happy over-clocking.

Next Fall it will support the Son of Trinity, the 28nm AMD Kaveri APU with GCN Cape Verdi *SIMD Engine Array* shaders (HD7750).

About your RAMs speed ...


The faster your RAMs, I believe, the better you will be positioned for Kaveri. There is a Kingston HyperX 2x4GB 2400MHz kit approved for that motherboard -- if you can find it, or afford it. Down-clocking the RAMs with tighter timings will work well, too.

Some of the higher speed kits are not really more expensive than 1600 or 1866.



November 6, 2012 8:35:27 AM

Ok, so this is getting more and more confusing for me :pt1cable: 

It seems I have two builds now:

#1

AMD FX-Series FX-6100, 6x 3.30GHz, boxed
ASROCK AM3+ 970 Extreme4 (GBL/R/F/DDRIII)
Corsair ValueSelect DIMM 8GB PC3-10667U CL9-9-9-24 or Corsair Vengeance Low Prof. Kit 8GB PC3-12800U (+6€)
Samsung 830 Series 128GB, 2.5", SATA III
Corsair Carbide Series 300R
CoolerMaster Hyper 212 Evo
CORSAIR CX 500W CX 500CXEU V2
Old Radeon 4890

#2 (14€ more expensive than #1, onboard graphics card rather than old one)

AMD A8-5600K Trinity APU Black Edition
Asus F2A85-M Pro A85X
Kingston HyperX 2x4GB 2400MHz kit (The shop does not offer these, are there alternatives?)
Samsung 830 Series 128GB, 2.5", SATA III
Corsair Carbide Series 300R
CoolerMaster Hyper 212 Evo
CORSAIR CX 500W CX 500CXEU V2

Which one looks better? Also, Wisecracker seems to suggest (if I got that right), that the second build would overtake the first only when overclocked. I have never done anything like that before, how hard is that and can it be done by a beginner without risking destroying my new PC?
November 6, 2012 8:45:02 AM

empeel said:
Also, thanks for explaining why you'd pick this case, I never knew there was so much to them.

Apparently I can't edit my own posts, so double post.

Use the little black paper with a lightning bolt on it in the bottom right hand corner of the post

Overclocking is done throughou the BIOS (a screen you get when you hit delete at the initial splash screen.) There will be different sections, and you will have to look for the right options to find what you want
I haven't used an APU before, so I don't know how to overclock the GPU. Just look on youtube or something like that and search "overclock trinity APU"
By the way, you do know what overclocking is right?
a b 4 Gaming
November 7, 2012 3:29:00 PM


I will make it more confusing [:lutfij:4]

If you wish to keep your HD4890 and go with AM3+, your best bet is the Gigabyte 970A-UD3 AM3+ with the AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition for €90. That saves you €17 over the AsRock/FX-6100, and the -UD3 motherboard has much better VRM (the electrical stuff around the socket).

This would allow you to upgrade to a new AMD Radeon HD8XXX-series Sea Islands video card next Spring, or catch something like a HD7950 on the cheap when Sea Islands comes to market. An HD8850/70 should roughly be HD7950-like in performance, either of which would slobber-knock your HD4890. An HD7850 would also be a great video upgrade for you depending upon your budget.

You will also find the AMD FX-8350 Vishera is much less expense next fall if you are ready for a CPU upgrade.

This is likely the most cost-effective for you --- and keeps a nice upgrade path.

a c 271 4 Gaming
November 7, 2012 3:33:10 PM

empeel said:
Ok, so this is getting more and more confusing for me :pt1cable: 

It seems I have two builds now:

#1

AMD FX-Series FX-6100, 6x 3.30GHz, boxed
ASROCK AM3+ 970 Extreme4 (GBL/R/F/DDRIII)
Corsair ValueSelect DIMM 8GB PC3-10667U CL9-9-9-24 or Corsair Vengeance Low Prof. Kit 8GB PC3-12800U (+6€)
Samsung 830 Series 128GB, 2.5", SATA III
Corsair Carbide Series 300R
CoolerMaster Hyper 212 Evo
CORSAIR CX 500W CX 500CXEU V2
Old Radeon 4890

#2 (14€ more expensive than #1, onboard graphics card rather than old one)

AMD A8-5600K Trinity APU Black Edition
Asus F2A85-M Pro A85X
Kingston HyperX 2x4GB 2400MHz kit (The shop does not offer these, are there alternatives?)
Samsung 830 Series 128GB, 2.5", SATA III
Corsair Carbide Series 300R
CoolerMaster Hyper 212 Evo
CORSAIR CX 500W CX 500CXEU V2

Which one looks better? Also, Wisecracker seems to suggest (if I got that right), that the second build would overtake the first only when overclocked. I have never done anything like that before, how hard is that and can it be done by a beginner without risking destroying my new PC?


That is true, and build #2 would certainly be a much better fit. But while overclocking is very simple every build is unique and will give you different results every time, and most people are hesitant to give out system specific information just because of that. What works for one build will not always carry over to the next - it's a lot of trial and error really.
a b 4 Gaming
November 7, 2012 3:58:38 PM


But, we at Toms give such great advice, it's free :D 

System components make a difference, but over-clocking is quite mainstream at the current time. Folks over in the AMD Overclocking threads can help you with any questions.

The PhII965BE will likely run 3.9-4GHz at 1.375v or so, and push any video card with which it is paired.








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