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November 6, 2012 1:17:29 AM

Hey guys, I did a build back in the summer. Budget was $600, and I ended up getting everything down to just below $590. It ended up turning out great and my brother loved it.
Today I have finally decided to do my own first build, and I need some help. Going from $600 up to $800 introduces a range of new options and I really need some help. I know a few parts I definitely want, but I'd really love it if some of you guys could help me fill in the blanks. Thanks for your time everyone!

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Approximate Purchase Date: Everything purchased by November 11 (this Sunday)

Budget Range: Below $800

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming, Using the Internet, Occasional FTP work.

Are you buying a monitor: No

Do you need to buy OS: Not yet.

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: newegg.com, amazon.com, really just anything reputable.

Location: Around Indianapolis, Indiana.

Overclocking: Yes

SLI or Crossfire: Possibly in the future

Your Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080

Additional Comments: Games I will mostly be playing include Team Fortress 2, Minecraft, Skyrim, Borderlands 2, Battlefield 3, Civ 5, GW2, Diablo 3, etc. I would like these games to run on mostly ultra settings (maybe not BF3) on at least 45 FPS. I want to play games like this without having to upgrade for at least 2 years.

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Here are some of the parts I have picked out thus far:

CPU: This is a definite and what I want the build to be based on.
Intel Core i5-2500K
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU Cooler:
Completely undecided, not even sure if I need one. I want to do some light overclocking to 4.0GHz, nothing more then 4.3GHz.

Mobo: Not entirely certain on this one, but a P67 should cover my needs for the most part.
ASRock P67 PRO3 SE LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Memory: Definitely only need 8gb, and I've had a good experience with G.SKILL in the past.
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL9D-8GBRL
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Storage: This is a hard one for me. The boost in performance with an SSD is great, and I don't think I'll need more then 256gb for now. Will probably add more in the future, but for now I'm pretty set in stone on this.
Crucial 256 GB m4 2.5-Inch Solid State Drive SATA 6Gb/s CT256M4SSD2
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004W2JL2A/?tag=pcpapi-20

Video Card: I'm thinking Radeon 7850, but definitely open to suggestions. (And hey, free Far Cry 3!)
SAPPHIRERadeon HD 7850 OC 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card ( 11200-01-20G )
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case: No idea, but I'd like it to be sub $50-60. A few fans built in would be nice, doesn't need to be too flashy just needs to work well.

PSU: Need some help here, never been something I was interested in.

Optical Drive: Not too important, I know. This one's cheap and it works.
ASUS 24X DVD Burner - Bulk 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM Black SATA Model DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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I thank everyone for their help, and really look forward to you guys helping me work the kinks out of this build.







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November 6, 2012 1:45:38 AM

I chose the 2500k because I've heard it's a lot easier to overclock and from numerous forums that it's your best bang for your buck for the price range. I'll take a look though. I think I'll go with the Rosewill Challenger, I've been actually considering it and there's a combo with this cheaper Optical Drive that'll save me $7.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Thanks for the tip on the memory, actually went and ordered that right now. I was considering the last PSU you posted, so I think I'll add it in.


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November 6, 2012 1:45:39 AM

Any particular reason you're set on a Sandy Bridge i5 instead of a newer Ivy Bridge? They generally perform 10-15% better and cost pretty much exactly the same. A 3570k runs $230 at full price, you can often find em on sale for a bit less.

For either i5, a Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO is probably one of the best bang for your buck HSF options and should have no problem handling that overclock.

I like G.skill too, and you can actually get a better kit for less money by taking advantage of a promo that ends today:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

A few good case options in that price range:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B006TVQU6C/?tag=pcpapi-20

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=69198&vpn=Z11&manufact...


For PSU, you shouldn't need more than around 500-550W for a single GPU setup. I don't generally recommend SLI, but if you go that route you'll probably want something closer to 750-800W. Antec, Corsair, Seasonic, and XFX are usually good brands to choose from.

http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=59615&vpn=P1550SXXB9&m...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I realize that last one is a 650W, but it's on sale and therefore the best Corsair option in that price range.
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November 6, 2012 1:55:28 AM

Okie. Here's what I came up with to get you under budget:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($26.22 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: MSI Z77A-G41 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($87.55 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial M4 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($164.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card ($169.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Rosewill CHALLENGER ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($49.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS90 DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $794.70
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
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November 6, 2012 2:06:46 AM

Nkolodziej said:
I chose the 2500k because I've heard it's a lot easier to overclock and from numerous forums that it's your best bang for your buck for the price range. I'll take a look though.


Not quite right. It will overclock HIGHER, yes... but the 3570k has fairly faster architecture, so doesn't have to overclock as high, and can regularly hit 4.2GHz on stock voltages, and 4.5 with small bumps. That's going to be faster than the 2500k at 4.8, while using lower voltages.

As for bang for the buck.... no. The 3570k will perform better, cooler, and is only $10 more... on top of that it's a gen newer technology, and supports faster support. It's worth it.

EDIT: It's NO easier to overclock. The process is the exact same, and the 3570k is a little more lenient when it comes to accidentally overvolting.
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November 6, 2012 2:32:21 AM

If you plan on doing any overclocking, you need an aftermarket CPU cooler. It's a necessity. I'd recommend the ever-famous COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 EVO The 2500k is a waste of money really if you don't overclock it at all.

Again, if you plan on doing any overclocking, Z77 is the way to go, this ASRock Z77 Extreme4]ASRock Z77 Extreme4 is your regular overclocking board. It'll do you good.

And finally, the PSU, anything over 80+ Bronze is fine. Since you won't have a flashy case (which I don't have a suggestion for) LED's aren't logical. Since you aren't going to do any SLI, You don't need a huge PSU.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
This is a good, reliable PSU. It;s 18+ Gold certified also.
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November 6, 2012 2:32:45 AM

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The 3570k will perform better, cooler, and is only $10 more... on top of that it's a gen newer technology, and supports faster support. It's worth it.

You've sold me. I never plan on going past 4.5GHz, and then I won't have to deal with cooling it as much. If I switch to a 3570k, should I still stick with the same mobo?

@ckholt83
Thanks for the suggestion on the XFX card, can't argue a lifetime warranty. Just gotta make sure to register my product.
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November 6, 2012 2:36:19 AM

BreadWhistle said:
If you plan on doing any overclocking, you need an aftermarket CPU cooler. It's a necessity. I'd recommend the ever-famous COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 EVO The 2500k is a waste of money really if you don't overclock it at all.

Again, if you plan on doing any overclocking, Z77 is the way to go, this ASRock Z77 Extreme4]ASRock Z77 Extreme4 is your regular overclocking board. It'll do you good.

And finally, the PSU, anything over 80+ Bronze is fine. Since you won't have a flashy case (which I don't have a suggestion for) LED's aren't logical. Since you aren't going to do any SLI, You don't need a huge PSU.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
This is a good, reliable PSU. It;s 18+ Gold certified also.


Thanks a lot for the suggestions. I'll switch to that CPU Cooler for sure. But what should I cut to be able to get that mobo and stay close to budget (SSD not being an option)?
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November 6, 2012 2:38:23 AM

I love the XFX parts - they're not as fast, but they're better built.

BreadWhistle's Extreme4 is a great budget board - I personally love the Gigabyte Z77X-UD3H.

Don't go with that Rosewill PSU - it's not a good build quality, despite the 80+ bronze certification.

As for cutting prices... Could you go to a 128 GB SSD and cheap mechanical drive? It'll be more than enough SSD space for the OS and games, and you can through files on the HDD.
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November 6, 2012 2:43:43 AM

You definitely do not want to try and use a P67 motherboard with an Ivy Bridge CPU. You should be able to overclock with any Z77, some are just a little friendlier than others. I actually included one in my list even though you had wanted to stick with the 2500k at that point. I don't usually recommend MSI these days because of their Geforce overvolting shenanigans, but options under $100 are pretty slim. If you can swing it, I would definitely go with a Gigabyte or Asrock board instead.

What I would suggest is holding off on the 3rd party HSF for the time being, just run with the stock cooler for now and don't overclock yet. You'll get stellar performance right out of the box at stock speeds, your GPU is going to be your gaming bottleneck anyway. That way you can spend the extra $20ish on motherboard or whatnot right now, and you can always buy the cooler and overclock later when more funds are available.
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November 6, 2012 3:11:18 AM

I think that's what I'll do. 3.4GHz is going to be a pretty good clock speed out of the box anyways, and the holidays are around the corner for when I want better cooling.

I'm going to wait it out to try to get a price drop on the 3570k and stick with Breadwhistle's mobo. I wish I was near a Microcenter and could get $50 off when purchasing the two together.
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November 6, 2012 3:19:49 AM

Nkolodziej said:
I'm going to wait it out to try to get a price drop on the 3570k and stick with Breadwhistle's mobo. I wish I was near a Microcenter and could get $50 off when purchasing the two together.


That is exactly what I would recommend, yes. You can absolutely get a better price on the 3570k even from online retailers if you wait for a sale to pop up, which they do fairly regularly.
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November 6, 2012 3:26:23 AM

$165 is actually about as low as I've ever seen a quality 256GB SSD go for, and that sale ends tonight. However, Black Friday is coming up very soon if you can stand to forestall your purchase date by a couple weeks, there's all kinds of potential deals to be had then.
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