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November 6, 2012 1:38:25 AM

Title says it all, cheapest possible build strictly for web surfing, youtube etc.. Most importantly, future proof.

Amd or intel?
Trinity overkill?

So far was thinking about this:

CPU: AMD A10-5800K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor
Motherboard: MSI FM2-A55M-E33 Micro ATX FM2 Motherboard
Memory: 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($28.99 @ NCIX)
Storage: 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
Case: Thermaltake VL80001W2Z ATX Mid Tower Case ($29.96 @ DirectCanada)
Power Supply: thermal take 430w power supply (36.72 direct canada)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-222BB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer

More about : surfing build

November 6, 2012 1:56:49 AM

Looks good to me.
Only thing I would change is the PSU to more reputable brands. It's one of the last things I would cheap out on since it failing can fry your components.
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November 6, 2012 2:16:41 AM

If you are not going to be doing any gaming or anything, but just small games like mini clip and youtube, you don't need an apu. Just get a pentium, or a i3 around the same price.

Pentium would suit your needs pretty well, but if you want the extra speed, get an i3.

There is one for the same price as the a10, I just forgot what model. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Could go with a cheaper one, but this is the exact price as the a10.

Mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

You could go with another one if you want, but this one is pretty good. Cheap also.

Get this for your psu also: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

With those, you will be fine.
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November 6, 2012 2:22:36 AM

A build strictly for web surfing and youtube, microsoft office, etc you basically need no graphics power. Were I you, I would go for an i5-3570k, the cheapest z77 board I could, and use the HD4000 onboard for right now. Pair that with a 128GB SSD and you'll have web pages, youtube videos, and applications loading as absolutely fast as possible. Also much more future proof because if you do want to game later, you just drop in a discrete card and you already have a powerful CPU.
If you do plan to game a little, the A10-5800k build is a great choice for the minimal budget. But go with DDR-1866 if you do that - the greater memory bandwidth helps framerates on the onboard graphics.


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November 6, 2012 3:12:02 AM

jacobsta811 said:
A build strictly for web surfing and youtube, microsoft office, etc you basically need no graphics power. Were I you, I would go for an i5-3570k, the cheapest z77 board I could, and use the HD4000 onboard for right now. Pair that with a 128GB SSD and you'll have web pages, youtube videos, and applications loading as absolutely fast as possible. Also much more future proof because if you do want to game later, you just drop in a discrete card and you already have a powerful CPU.
If you do plan to game a little, the A10-5800k build is a great choice for the minimal budget. But go with DDR-1866 if you do that - the greater memory bandwidth helps framerates on the onboard graphics.

He would barely see any real difference between the i3 and i5 in youtube and web pages. A z77 board also? He's not going to over clock or sli / crossfire. No need, at all.

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November 6, 2012 3:21:14 AM

a netbook would perfect if they weren't all tablets now

"future proof" here is going to be a matter of how long the components last, as they'll be obsolete from day one but still overpowered
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November 6, 2012 10:20:17 AM

I don't understand why you would get a Pentium or an i3 over the A10 with or without gaming in his usage.

A10 is more or less the i3's speed, has a much better IGP that won't strain the life of the unit it being an APU, and quad-core.

On low-end, tight budget builds such as these, an APU is just perfect for it.
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November 6, 2012 1:10:53 PM

By future proof i meant a board where i can switch the cpu to upgrade it when the time comes ie. a 1155 board with an i3 and upgrade to a i7 in a few years. Will the trinity board have a long life like this? And zero chance for gaming on this computer.
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November 6, 2012 2:27:17 PM

No one knows how sockets will progress, or when a socket will become obsolete (except intel/amd). For web surfing, requirements have been pretty stagnant for a long time.

I would get an i3, 4GB ram, and an 128GB SSD (Samsung 830 128GB can be found for 70$ if you are patient).

A decade old mediocre computer still does pretty well surfing the internet, so I don't quite see why you are concerned. Requirements for such things are not going up with hardware capabilities, but rather racing down to cater to tablets.
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November 6, 2012 2:48:45 PM

a decade old computer will be horrible for itunes and other applications hence the concern... so from this thread im still torn between an i3 or trinity... any more advice? :) 
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November 6, 2012 2:49:31 PM

would you say they are both similar? if so i can just pick the cheapest route come black friday betweeni3 and b75 board or trinity
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November 6, 2012 2:53:39 PM

I would go for something like this:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/mJ4x

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i3-3220 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor ($119.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock H77M Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 830 Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($89.00 @ B&H)
Case: Silverstone ML03B HTPC Case ($57.21 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 350W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($35.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($21.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $414.15
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

edit:
I wouldn't use the PSU you picked out, 350W is plenty for a build without a GPU, and seasonic is the benchmark for quality.
You can certainly add an HDD to this build (or use an external, or one you already own), but an SSD will make a huge improvement to performance and you don't need space for surfing. (As I said earlier, I've seen that SSD cheaper on Amazon, if you wait, you can likely find a deal).
I suggest an i3 because you don't need any GPU power, you can go for an AMD APU if you want, but intel will give better performance when you ignore the GPUs, but when strictly surfing it probably doesn't make a bit of difference.
I gave you an HTPC case (which I have used, in conjunction with the PSU I suggested, they fit well together), it was a nice little case to work on (though a bit bigger than it looks). The mobo is microAtx, so use caution if you want to change the case or mobo.


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November 6, 2012 3:33:44 PM

No. You will only be able to upgrade the a10 for one more generation. As they are going to only release one more processor for the fm2 socket. If you really want future proof, go with a i3 and lag1155 socket. In a few years, you will be able to upgrade to an i7 or i5.

IMO, that's what I would do for a surfing build. You won't gain any boost from an apu, as the cpu is not as powerful.

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/mJf2
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/mJf2/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/mJf2/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i3-3220 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor ($119.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock H77M Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Rosewill 350W ATX Power Supply ($25.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $268.95
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

This will do you best.

For your case you can choose either one. They are both small. This is mini tax http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=57128&vpn=RC%2D360%2DK...

http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=57786&vpn=ML03B&manufa... This is htpc

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November 6, 2012 4:01:41 PM

excella1221 said:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/675?vs=677

I don't see where an i3 is significantly faster than the A10 other than in the first few Sysmark benches.


I stand corrected, thanks :)  (I probably intended to be less certain in my statement that Intel was faster, but it didn't make it into my post)

So it seems going AMD will save you about 20$ (cpu and mobo) and give some gpu power if you want it later. The only reason not to go for the APU would be brand preference towards intel, or for lower power consumption (I assume the APU consumes a bit more, Intel seems to lead in efficiency for now).

edit: I'm a bit skeptical that anything would be known about the planned obsolescence of socket FM2, personally. Any sources lchrisk?

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November 6, 2012 4:10:49 PM

Basically, if you're going to be gaming a little just get the a10.

If not, and just want raw processor power, get the i3.

IMO: As you will probably be attracted to games a little and you might want to test them, get the a10. The gpu makes up for it's processing performance, so it's a better deal.
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November 6, 2012 9:01:42 PM

AMD has publicly said they plan one a unified socket, so AM3 and FM2 into ??? in a couple years. Whether they stick to it or are even in business who knows?

But unless you are upgrading in the next year you'll probably have a greater problem finding parts considered worthwhile.
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November 7, 2012 1:21:16 AM

CPU: Intel Core i3-2130 3.4GHz Dual-Core Processor 118.74$
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B75M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard 61.24$
Memory: Patriot Gamer 2 Series 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory 18.74$
Case: Antec One ATX Mid Tower Case 39.99$
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-222BB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer 17.41$
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive 61.24$
Total: 317.36$ all price matched at memory express

Only missing the power supply, probably a seasonic 300watts at 44$ from newegg canada.

I went with some of these components since I had price matches opportunities at ME and a big whole 4.99$ shipping for the whole order.

Thoughts?
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November 7, 2012 2:33:42 AM

Get a pair of mem, like 2x2, not that websurfing matters, but it'll be the same and it's hard finding the same stick later
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November 15, 2012 11:09:03 AM

I can get an amd a10 3800k and a gigabyte board with 6 sata 3 connections and usb 3.0 for 125$. Better deal than an i3 and a mobo for 170$?
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November 15, 2012 1:15:10 PM

CPU: AMD A8-3870K 3.0GHz Quad-Core Processor 84.63$
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-A75M-S2V Micro ATX FM1 Motherboard 54.99$
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory 37.24$
Case: Zalman Z9 ATX Mid Tower Case 37.49$
Power Supply: Antec 450W ATX12V Power Supply 34.99$
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-222BB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer 17.41$
Total: $285.33 with taxes and shipping
Got a WD caviar blue 750gb for 43$ last week on special
Total build 335$

Any thoughts? Hesitating to go through with the order and adding 40$ extra for i3 but I really think for this computer's needs (no gaming, internet, office and videos) it's plenty enough.
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November 15, 2012 1:31:57 PM

For your uses, I don't think you'll notice much of a difference between CPUs. There is a difference between them, but you're not likely to push either often, not enough that adding 40$ is justified for a budget build.
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November 15, 2012 1:43:25 PM

As for the RAM, 37$ for 8gb 1866 or 21$ for 4gb 1600?
The difference worth 17$?
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November 15, 2012 4:29:36 PM

The faster ram will help the APU's graphics processing power, but since you won't need that power much it doesn't much matter.

4GB vs 8GB is usually just a matter of 'why not' as ram is so cheap, however 4gb is sufficient for a moderate gaming build, definitely enough for a surfing build. If you do get more ram, make sure you're also getting a 64bit OS.
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November 15, 2012 9:29:37 PM

went with 8gb for only an extra 16$. will install windows 7 64 bits on it. thanks
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January 31, 2013 12:35:27 PM

hey will msi mobo works fine with the a10 5800k is there any problems you face ???
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January 31, 2013 12:36:55 PM

country of origin and maximum budget?
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January 31, 2013 12:41:39 PM

india and max budget for a mobo is around 4500 inr
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January 31, 2013 12:46:19 PM

all what u listed is good, except the ps is no good, got a link to where u gonna buy the stuff?
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January 31, 2013 1:12:57 PM

its alright it will do the trick.

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January 31, 2013 1:25:17 PM

adikath7193 said:
this is not my post but wanted to ask if this mobo is good for the a10 5800k
since i read these comments
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Its not bad, but the port layout is a bit odd. I also only see two fan headers which might be an issue if you'd like your fans to be BIOS-controlled. I'd look at these two alternatives:

ASRock FM2A55M-DGS @ $54.99
ASUS F2A55-M LK PLUS @ $59.99

However, according to this thread on Overclock.net, there have been some issues with the ITX version of ASRock's FM2 boards due to the VRM overheating and catching fire. Whether or not this extends to their ATX boards remains to be seen, but I've yet to see something about those going bad.
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January 31, 2013 1:35:15 PM

thanks for the reply :) 
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January 31, 2013 2:21:01 PM

i havent heard anything about it catching on fire? but that mobo is decent yes.

there better but more expensive boards tho.

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