Resolution question

[blaze2020]

hi there! so i have every part for my new build except the GPU. and im stumped. im only gonna be running games at 1600x900 just because im not a resolution whore lol. im STRONGLY considering the EVGA GTX 570 Superclocked 1.2gb. i know resolution is a really big determining factor in frames per second so i wanted to know if because im only running at 1600x900 my card will get way higher fps's than people that run games at like 2400x1900(whatever max res is lol). i basically just want to know how long the gtx 570 sc will be able to max out games at 40+ fps? thanks all!!!

 

[Supernova1138]

At your resolution, the 570 will do well. It won't max out everything at 40+ FPS for too long though. There are some games that can tax it, Metro 2033 and Witcher 2 are quite demanding on ultra, Witcher 2's ubersampling chokes any single GPU out there right now at all but the lowest resolutions, Battlefield 3 might dip a bit below 40 FPS if you crank the AA too high.

How much are you getting the 570 for? A lot of the 570s are priced between $250 and $300 now. For the same price you can get the Radeon HD 7870 which is comparable to the GTX 580. On the nvidia side, the GTX 660Ti is available for $300, and the GTX 660 is supposed to launch this week at $250 supposedly, it supposedly will perform similarly to the 7870. If you can wait a week, you may have some better options in your price range if you are dead set on an nvidia card.

 

[blaze2020]

At your resolution, the 570 will do well. It won't max out everything at 40+ FPS for too long though. There are some games that can tax it, Metro 2033 and Witcher 2 are quite demanding on ultra, Witcher 2's ubersampling chokes any single GPU out there right now at all but the lowest resolutions, Battlefield 3 might dip a bit below 40 FPS if you crank the AA too high.

How much are you getting the 570 for? A lot of the 570s are priced between $250 and $300 now. For the same price you can get the Radeon HD 7870 which is comparable to the GTX 580. On the nvidia side, the GTX 660Ti is available for $300, and the GTX 660 is supposed to launch this week at $250 supposedly, it supposedly will perform similarly to the 7870. If you can wait a week, you may have some better options in your price range if you are dead set on an nvidia card.

interesting. btw im running an i5 3570k and 8G RAM in case that makes a difference. but yeah im kinda set on sticking to nvidia.. ive just heard a lot of horror stories about ATI being the "bargain" brand.. and i was also looking at the 660ti. when you say 660 do you mean the 660ti? i thought it was already out. and yeah i would be getting the evga gtx 570 superclocked for $270. would it be better to go for the 660ti for another $30?

 

[Supernova1138]

No the 660 is a different card, like the 560 and 560Ti, the 660 will be a bit slower than the 660Ti, though certainly still faster than the 570.

If you really want to buy right now, I would say definitely shell out the extra 30 bucks for a 660Ti, it will offer considerably more performance. If you want to save some cash, wait for the 660 to launch in hopefully a few days.

The only drawback the 600 series has is the lack of GPU compute performance. This doesn't effect games right now, but if future games do start using GPU compute features, then the 600 series cards will choke when enabling GPU compute graphics options. This may not happen until the 600 series cards become obsolete, or this may happen quickly, it is hard to say. AMD 7000 series cards do not have crippled GPU compute performance, so they may be slightly more "futureproof" than their nvidia competition.

 

[blaze2020]

No the 660 is a different card, like the 560 and 560Ti, the 660 will be a bit slower than the 660Ti, though certainly still faster than the 570.

If you really want to buy right now, I would say definitely shell out the extra 30 bucks for a 660Ti, it will offer considerably more performance. If you want to save some cash, wait for the 660 to launch in hopefully a few days.

The only drawback the 600 series has is the lack of GPU compute performance. This doesn't effect games right now, but if future games do start using GPU compute features, then the 600 series cards will choke when enabling GPU compute graphics options. This may not happen until the 600 series cards become obsolete, or this may happen quickly, it is hard to say. AMD 7000 series cards do not have crippled GPU compute performance, so they may be slightly more "futureproof" than their nvidia competition.

yeah the 192 bit memory on the 660ti kinda worries me.. its strange that you say it outperforms the 570 when the 570 has almost 3 times the memory interface. but hey im no GPU wiz lol i just want some good fps's in Crysis 3, borderlands 2 and a few other 2012-2013 games. i wouldnt have a problem upgrading my card in a year or 2 so in the mean time will the 660ti or 570 get the job done?

 

[Supernova1138]

The 192 bit memory bus is an annoying factor. The 660Ti will outperform the 570 because it is a much faster GPU. In most cases the narrower memory bus does not hobble performance on the 660Ti, but it can be a factor when playing at higher resolutions, or if you really crank up the AA. For most games the 660Ti will be better, and I doubt the 192 bit memory bus will affect you with a 1600x900 resolution. I would still recommend the 660Ti over the 570, or get the plain 660 when it launches, it will still be faster than the 570 while costing you $20 less.

 

[blaze2020]

The 192 bit memory bus is an annoying factor. The 660Ti will outperform the 570 because it is a much faster GPU. In most cases the narrower memory bus does not hobble performance on the 660Ti, but it can be a factor when playing at higher resolutions, or if you really crank up the AA. For most games the 660Ti will be better, and I doubt the 192 bit memory bus will affect you with a 1600x900 resolution. I would still recommend the 660Ti over the 570, or get the plain 660 when it launches, it will still be faster than the 570 while costing you $20 less.

awesome i really appreciate you responding quickly btw oh and you actually got me curious about radeon.. the 7870 looks like a pretty good compromise between 570 and 660ti. opinion?

 

[abCasPeRR]

At your resolution, the 570 will do well. It won't max out everything at 40+ FPS for too long though. There are some games that can tax it, Metro 2033 and Witcher 2 are quite demanding on ultra, Witcher 2's ubersampling chokes any single GPU out there right now at all but the lowest resolutions, Battlefield 3 might dip a bit below 40 FPS if you crank the AA too high.

How much are you getting the 570 for? A lot of the 570s are priced between $250 and $300 now. For the same price you can get the Radeon HD 7870 which is comparable to the GTX 580. On the nvidia side, the GTX 660Ti is available for $300, and the GTX 660 is supposed to launch this week at $250 supposedly, it supposedly will perform similarly to the 7870. If you can wait a week, you may have some better options in your price range if you are dead set on an nvidia card.

The 660 is already out, I have one and runs my games perfectly maxed at 1600x900 as well.

 

[blaze2020]

The 660 is already out, I have one and runs my games perfectly maxed at 1600x900 as well.

thank you good to know im now debating between the 660ti and the radeon 7870 lol ive ruled out the 570 entirely! making progress towards a final decision haha

 

[abCasPeRR]

thank you good to know im now debating between the 660ti and the radeon 7870 lol ive ruled out the 570 entirely! making progress towards a final decision haha

yeah np its been out since the 16th of August, and actually with that, I was doing some research on benchmarking scores and the 570 did better than my 660 did, for 40-60 bucks less, I was actually thinking about returning it for refund, and getting a 570. Now can I ask why you ruled out the 570 ?

 

[blaze2020]

yeah np its been out since the 16th of August, and actually with that, I was doing some research on benchmarking scores and the 570 did better than my 660 did, for 40-60 bucks less, I was actually thinking about returning it for refund, and getting a 570. Now can I ask why you ruled out the 570 ?

well i wouldnt say ruled it out... but after reading everywhere that the 660ti just flat outperforms the 570 i just kinda figured why not. but i keep hearing different things about the 570 vs. 660ti. idk lol but im seriously considering the radeon 7870... ive been green side for a while but who knows maybe the dark side will prove more fruitful? plus i dont really care about AA and all the insanely subtle detail settings that really drop FPS's so i shouldnt have a problem with any of the 3 cards really.

 

[Supernova1138]

The 660Ti came out in August, the 660 is a different card that is coming out this week. It is similar to a 660Ti, but is a bit slower, and also selling a bit cheaper. I know, it's confusing, nvidia likes to have multiple cards with an x60 designation.

The 660Ti is faster than the GTX 570 in every way except for GPU compute capabilities. If you are doing lots of work with CUDA acceleration or other compute tasks, then the 570 will beat out the 660Ti. In gaming performance, the 660Ti will always beat the 570, the only exceptions being if you are using Metro 2033's Depth of Field filter, or Dirt3's Global Lighting option, both of which use GPU compute.

 

[blaze2020]

The 660Ti came out in August, the 660 is a different card that is coming out this week. It is similar to a 660Ti, but is a bit slower, and also selling a bit cheaper. I know, it's confusing, nvidia likes to have multiple cards with an x60 designation.

The 660Ti is faster than the GTX 570 in every way except for GPU compute capabilities. If you are doing lots of work with CUDA acceleration or other compute tasks, then the 570 will beat out the 660Ti. In gaming performance, the 660Ti will always beat the 570, the only exceptions being if you are using Metro 2033's Depth of Field filter, or Dirt3's Global Lighting option, both of which use GPU compute.

i understand the differences now that you explain them. so with the 7870 being the rough equivalent of the 580 could it potentially outperform the 660ti if i pair it with the i5 3570k and 8G RAM?

 

[Supernova1138]

I'm getting a 7870 myself, it's in the mail right now, so I don't have first hand experience yet. It is definitely a very good card for its price point. If you are cranking up the AA or playing at very high resolutions it can pull ahead of the 660Ti. At your resolution the 660Ti will be a bit faster, though whether a few extra frames are worth an extra $50 over the 7870 is up to you.

Like pretty much all the HD 7000 series cards, it is a very good overclocker, so there is potential for even more performance if you want to tweak some more out of it.

The advantages it holds over its nvidia competition right now is the wider memory bus, and superior GPU compute capabilities. The wider memory bus won't matter too much in most situations, but it is nice to have if you do go to higher resolutions or really want to crank up the AA. GPU compute is a plus if you have a use for it, or have games that can leverage the compute capabilities for graphics effects, though those games are rare right now.

 

[blaze2020]

Best answer selected by blaze2020.

 

[Supernova1138]

MSI R7870 HAWK. It has a 100MHz OC right out of the box, and has a good chance of being OCed up to 7950 performance levels without too much trouble.

 

[blaze2020]

I'm getting a 7870 myself, it's in the mail right now, so I don't have first hand experience yet. It is definitely a very good card for its price point. If you are cranking up the AA or playing at very high resolutions it can pull ahead of the 660Ti. At your resolution the 660Ti will be a bit faster, though whether a few extra frames are worth an extra $50 over the 7870 is up to you.

Like pretty much all the HD 7000 series cards, it is a very good overclocker, so there is potential for even more performance if you want to tweak some more out of it.

The advantages it holds over its nvidia competition right now is the wider memory bus, and superior GPU compute capabilities. The wider memory bus won't matter too much in most situations, but it is nice to have if you do go to higher resolutions or really want to crank up the AA. GPU compute is a plus if you have a use for it, or have games that can leverage the compute capabilities for graphics effects, though those games are rare right now.

cool thanks a lot i think im gonna go with the Gigabyte overclocked 7870. it seems to have the highest core clock out of the box and i dont know anything about OCing lol. which model did you get?

 

[Supernova1138]

Overclocking is luck of the draw, some cards will do it better than others. The factory OCed models with more robust VRMs and power management systems, and better coolers will have a better chance at higher overclocks. You should be able to get a good OC on the Gigabyte OC edition if you want to.

 

[blaze2020]

MSI R7870 HAWK. It has a 100MHz OC right out of the box, and has a good chance of being OCed up to 7950 performance levels without too much trouble.

wow are all models capable of the same OC? the gigabyte has an 1100 core clock out of the box

 

[abCasPeRR]

The 660Ti came out in August, the 660 is a different card that is coming out this week. It is similar to a 660Ti, but is a bit slower, and also selling a bit cheaper. I know, it's confusing, nvidia likes to have multiple cards with an x60 designation.

The 660Ti is faster than the GTX 570 in every way except for GPU compute capabilities. If you are doing lots of work with CUDA acceleration or other compute tasks, then the 570 will beat out the 660Ti. In gaming performance, the 660Ti will always beat the 570, the only exceptions being if you are using Metro 2033's Depth of Field filter, or Dirt3's Global Lighting option, both of which use GPU compute.

Oh I thought you meant 660 in general, I didnt realize that. Yeah I have the Ti

 

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