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November 6, 2012 3:41:15 PM

Approximate Purchase Date: after December 25

Budget Range:600-700

System Usage from Most to Least Important:gaming, surfing the web.

Are you buying a monitor: no

Do you need to buy OS no

Overclocking: maybe

SLI or Crossfire: maybe

Your Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080

games i want to play include; COD, BF3,and Minecraft

More about : gaming build

November 6, 2012 3:55:12 PM

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/mJkj
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/mJkj/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/mJkj/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i3-3220 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor ($119.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock H77M Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($35.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung Spinpoint M7E 320GB 2.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7870 2GB Video Card ($209.99 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Phantom 410 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Antec Basiq Plus 550W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $688.91
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

This will do you good. If you don't want the case, you can get a cheaper one and put the money elsewhere in the build. Personally, I think the case is really cool looking, so I would keep it.
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November 6, 2012 4:10:05 PM

I'd call this a nice starting point.

PCPartPicker part list

CPU: Intel Core i3-3220 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($114.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Low Voltage Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($37.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung Spinpoint F3R 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7850 1GB Video Card ($186.97 @ Newegg)
Case: Antec Three Hundred Two ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Antec Basiq Plus 550W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($21.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $616.90

If you want extra graphical power, up the GPU to a 7870 or 7950 if you have the budget. If you want CPU overclocking right now, it'll cost $100+ extra for the i5 and a CPU cooler. The Z77 board here allows overclocking with a CPU upgrade. If you don't want overclocking, you can save on the mboard with an H77 chipset.
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November 6, 2012 4:13:54 PM

RedJaron said:
I'd call this a nice starting point.

PCPartPicker part list

CPU: Intel Core i3-3220 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($114.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Low Voltage Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($37.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung Spinpoint F3R 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7850 1GB Video Card ($186.97 @ Newegg)
Case: Antec Three Hundred Two ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Antec Basiq Plus 550W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($21.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $616.90

If you want extra graphical power, up the GPU to a 7870 or 7950 if you have the budget. If you want CPU overclocking right now, it'll cost $100+ extra for the i5 and a CPU cooler. The Z77 board here allows overclocking with a CPU upgrade. If you don't want overclocking, you can save on the mboard with an H77 chipset.

This is okay, but under one circumstance as you already post.

A i3 will not allow him to over clock, so there is really no point. just stick with a cheaper h77. also, with the money saved you can get a 7950, I think. That'll hit right up on the budget.
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November 6, 2012 4:18:42 PM

lchrisk said:
CPU: Intel Core i3-3220 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor ($119.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock H77M Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($35.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung Spinpoint M7E 320GB 2.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7870 2GB Video Card ($209.99 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Phantom 410 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Antec Basiq Plus 550W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $688.91
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

The CPU cooler really isn't necessary since the H77 and i3 means CPU overclocking can't happen. At best you can set it to run a little quieter than the stock cooler.

A 5400rpm drive is nice for storage, but I'd want a 7200rpm if it's my system drive.
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November 6, 2012 4:37:39 PM

lchrisk said:
A i3 will not allow him to over clock, so there is really no point. just stick with a cheaper h77. also, with the money saved you can get a 7950, I think. That'll hit right up on the budget.

Like I said, getting the Z77 now simply allows an easier option to overclock in the future. Will it be worth getting an i3 now and an i5/7 -K in the future? That's up to the builder I suppose.

As I noted, my part list is a suggested baseline, so it comes in right at the bottom of the budget. There's enough room in the budget to get the i5 right now or to also go straight to a 7870. A few minor part swaps, as you pointed out, allow even more options. That's what I intended. Just waiting on feedback from the OP.
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November 6, 2012 4:47:51 PM

RedJaron said:
Like I said, getting the Z77 now simply allows an easier option to overclock in the future. Will it be worth getting an i3 now and an i5/7 -K in the future? That's up to the builder I suppose.

As I noted, my part list is a suggested baseline, so it comes in right at the bottom of the budget. There's enough room in the budget to get the i5 right now or to also go straight to a 7870. A few minor part swaps, as you pointed out, allow even more options. That's what I intended. Just waiting on feedback from the OP.

Maybe, maybe not. Maybe he wants to wait till has will, so no point. & I put the cooler in there because it's quieter. Ahaha, and it makes the cpu cooler. He's not going to over clock with it, but rather keep his cpu cooler.
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November 6, 2012 4:53:48 PM

I was looking about getting the i5 2500k. but would that be in my budget? I would still want a good gpu. Or would the i3 be okay. i would like to play at high settings if possible.
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November 6, 2012 4:55:56 PM

chrismclain said:
I was looking about getting the i5 2500k. but would that be in my budget? I would still want a good gpu. Or would the i3 be okay. i would like to play at high settings if possible.

Stay with the i3. i5 would be out of budget, unless you would sacrifice a nice gpu. IMO, that's not a good way to go. Stick with the i3. You will be fine.
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November 6, 2012 5:39:20 PM

I do like your builds would there be a better amd build. I'm trying not to just look at Intel, though I do prefer Intel. But if there is a better build I will be willing to go amd
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November 6, 2012 5:39:38 PM

chrismclain said:
I do like your builds would there be a better amd build. I'm trying not to just look at Intel, though I do prefer Intel. But if there is a better build I will be willing to go amd


For 600 or 700, just stick with Intel. We already made you a nice build. It won't get really better than that.
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November 6, 2012 5:58:18 PM

CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz
GPU: XFX HD-687A-ZHFC Radeon HD 6870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
HD: Western Digital WD Black 500 gb 7200 rpm 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s
ASUS P8Z77-M LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard
Rosewill HIVE Series HIVE-650 650W
CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
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November 6, 2012 5:59:41 PM

hows that?
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November 6, 2012 6:05:35 PM

chrismclain said:
hows that?


Mine is still much better.
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November 6, 2012 6:05:43 PM

chrismclain said:
I was looking about getting the i5 2500k. but would that be in my budget? I would still want a good gpu. Or would the i3 be okay. i would like to play at high settings if possible.

The price difference between a 2500K and 3570K is rather small, so there's little reason not to spend a little extra money for it.

As for i3 vs i5, if all you're planning is gaming and casual computer usage like web browsing and MS Office, the i3 will be more than powerful enough. The i5 only becomes necessary if you start throwing heavier productivity and content creation tasks at the CPU, like video editing or 3D modeling.

And I don't know how you'd quantify a "better" AMD build for gaming. If you had a more restrictive budget, then the cheaper AMD CPUs might be the option to use while still maintaining a good graphics card. But at best you'd only shave a little off the cost of an i3 and H77 to put toward a graphics card, so it's not much different. The AMD might give you slightly better performance in some well-threaded productivity apps, but the gaming performance would be the same. The i3 has much better single-threaded performance than any AMD chip, though.
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November 6, 2012 6:14:27 PM

chrismclain said:
CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz
GPU: XFX HD-687A-ZHFC Radeon HD 6870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
HD: Western Digital WD Black 500 gb 7200 rpm 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s
ASUS P8Z77-M LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard
Rosewill HIVE Series HIVE-650 650W
CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600

A 6870 is a good card ( it's what I have now, ) but it is reaching the end of its lifespan. It has similar performance to a 7770, so if you're worried about saving money, I'd get the newer model. An i5 + 7770 will have better productivity performance, but an i3 + 7870 will have better game performance. The i3 might be a bit weak in heavy multiplayer games where the CPU has a bigger task ( large BF3 maps for example, ) but I don't play those games much so I can't say for certain. You might consider the i5 to be more future-proof since it's only a relatively easy GPU upgrade away from top-shelf gaming and the extra cores will be handy if games start getting more threads. But that may or may not happen.

Also, I've been warned about Rosewill PSUs, though I can't say for certain since I've never had one.
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November 6, 2012 6:14:37 PM

Okay, I am just trying to figure out the best for my budget. I don't want to buy something not worth while for $650. will this run the games I like on High?
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November 6, 2012 6:18:20 PM

chrismclain said:
Okay, I am just trying to figure out the best for my budget. I don't want to buy something not worth while for $650. will this run the games I like on High?

No, a 6870/7770 will not be enough to get you smooth frame rates @ 1080p on high details. I've got a 2600K + 6870 and I can only barely do it @ 1680 x 1050. I'd say the minimum card for what you want is a 7850, though definitely go higher if you can afford it.
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November 6, 2012 6:22:29 PM

Ohh and about the future overclocking. It would be nice to have a board that supports overclocking an i5. just for future upgrades, but i really don't think i would need a CPU cooler for now.
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November 6, 2012 6:26:18 PM

@ RedJaron I'm taliking about the i3+7870 or above
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November 6, 2012 6:35:42 PM

You are in good hands on toms hardware. Especially with people like me. We try to find the best build for your budget, and we have already recommended it.

i3 + 7870 will do fine on bf3. i3 won't bottleneck, as it's a nice cpu, which can get up to 4 threads, which will be enough for bf3 multiplayer.

In the future, you can upgrade to an i5 / i7, which would remove all the bottlenecking which will be very little.

The choice is yours, i5 + 7770 = better cpu performance, not very good for gaming

or

i3 + 7870 good gaming performance, but not best for video editing and what not.
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November 6, 2012 6:41:00 PM

chrismclain said:
@ RedJaron I'm taliking about the i3+7870 or above
Ok, I was talking about your i5 + 6870 part list.


chrismclain said:
Ohh and about the future overclocking. It would be nice to have a board that supports overclocking an i5. just for future upgrades, but i really don't think i would need a CPU cooler for now.

You really need to decide now, before you build, if overclocking is something you definitely want to do. If it is, then I'd recommend you get the Z77 board and the i5 right now. It'll be more expensive up front, but you won't have to pay more for an upgrade later. If you need to save up more, you can put off the purchase for a few weeks or even a month.

If you really want the overclocking option, this is the minimum build I'd recommend. And if you can spend a little more, I'd go with the 7870 card. ( Also, it looks like my other parts lists didn't include the price of the HDD fro some reason. I've fixed that here.

PCPartPicker part list

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Xigmatek GAIA SD1283 56.3 CFM CPU Cooler ($19.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($114.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Low Voltage Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($37.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7850 1GB Video Card ($179.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Antec Three Hundred Two ATX Mid Tower Case ($60.50 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Antec Basiq Plus 550W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($21.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $780.41
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November 6, 2012 6:42:53 PM

I just checked bf3 system requirements recommended requirements was quad core.
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November 6, 2012 6:46:23 PM

chrismclain said:
I just checked bf3 system requirements recommended requirements was quad core.

The i3 is a dual-core with Hyper-Threading. That's Intel's feature that let's every physical core operate on two threads at once. The OS and games will see four logical cores. Hyper-Threading isn't quite as fast as a four physical cores, like on the i5, but it's pretty close.
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November 6, 2012 6:54:12 PM

how bad would the i3 bottleneck if i got a 7870 also the 7950
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November 6, 2012 7:09:03 PM

chrismclain said:
how bad would the i3 bottleneck if i got a 7870 also the 7950

Any bottleneck with those combos would be the same. Again, it's only a bottleneck if you're throwing CPU intensive work at it. The most intensive thing you might be running is a large BF3 multiplayer map. And if Chris says that's not a problem, you won't see a bottleneck.
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November 6, 2012 7:10:56 PM

You could go AMD FX 6300 as it nearly matches the i3 3220 in single threaded performance and dominates it in multi threaded. http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/699?vs=677

Also having an AM3+ socket will allow you to upgrade to steamroller later, one thing i love about AMD is they know how to make a socket last: Athlon, Phenom, Bulldozer, Piledriver, Steamroller, Excavator? all work with AM3+
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November 6, 2012 7:20:47 PM

@chrismclain I would suggest you that you go for cheap B75 motherboard with i5-3330/3470 and HD7770. That is just my opinion... because if you go with i5 that has 4 cores you will not gonna need to change i3 for 2 years because games start to use 4 cores. i5 will help battlefield 3 on multiplayer.. read this http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1654043
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November 6, 2012 7:31:01 PM

Despot96 said:
@chrismclain I would suggest you that you go for cheap B75 motherboard with i5-3330/3470 and HD7770. That is just my opinion... because if you go with i5 that has 4 cores you will not gonna need to change i3 for 2 years because games start to use 4 cores. i5 will help battlefield 3 on multiplayer.. read this http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1654043

The 7770 will not be sufficient to run the games on high settings, which the OP has asked for.
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November 6, 2012 8:13:33 PM

RedJaron i totally agree with you but if he don't want to upgrade CPU in near future then he would be better to go for i5.. but if he don't the i3 combo sounds better. Cheers
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