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Gf Bought this desktop for WoW, could you recommend a better deal?

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November 6, 2012 6:20:29 PM

]http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Asus+-+Essentio+Desktop+-+8GB+Memory+-+1TB+Hard+Drive/6699853.p;jsessionid=E30651EB8B5572767DDBC539AFDAB88D.bbolsp-app05-76?id=1218786217198&skuId=6699853]

I thought the pc looked ok, but was pretty disappointed with the framerates I was seeing running at 1920x1080 resolution:

12-15 FPS at recommended (High) settings

24-30 FPS after some tweaking

I am unfamiliar with AMD, but some research pointed to the graphics card being the primary culprit.

She is still well within the window to return it, so I would be extremely grateful if you could recommend a similarly priced PC that would yield a better overall experience in game (as the title mentioned, WoW is going to be its primary use)

There are no constraints other than wanting to keep the price about the same.

She paid: $750

for the desktop (including keyboard and mouse) and a 23" monitor.

She is happy with the monitor, but is perfectly willing to return everything for a better overall deal.

Thanks in advance!
November 6, 2012 8:32:52 PM

Man did you guys get burned, for $750 you could build a computer that maxes out WoW with high frame rates...
November 6, 2012 8:38:37 PM

If you build you could get a pretty good one for around $600. Prebuilts are ripoffs compared to them.
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November 6, 2012 10:38:39 PM

lt_dan_zsu said:
If you build you could get a pretty good one for around $600. Prebuilts are ripoffs compared to them.


Please see my response to Thomas Creel. I would love a build to go off of if you don't mind =)
November 6, 2012 10:38:43 PM

Thomas Creel said:
Man did you guys get burned, for $750 you could build a computer that maxes out WoW with high frame rates...


I'd love a build to go off of, she said she didn't want to build, but after seeing the results I think she will reconsider. I built mine about a year ago so I am perfectly capable of putting one together, I was just too lazy to do the meticulous research again (should have just come here in the first place eh =P ).

Would that $750 include the monitor and OS? Turns out we have an extra mouse and keyboard.

Thanks in advance!

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November 6, 2012 11:00:41 PM
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Oh my did you get ripped off. That build is worth like $300 - 400. Ahaha, return it as soon as possible.

For $750, you could easily max wow at over $60 frames.

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/mLWF
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/mLWF/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/mLWF/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($26.22 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock Z75 Pro3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($35.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung Spinpoint M7E 320GB 2.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7870 2GB Video Card ($209.99 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Phantom 410 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Antec Basiq Plus 550W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $765.14
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

Be able to over clock and everything. If you don't want to go over $750 get this case instead

http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=57910&vpn=Z9%20Plus&ma...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
^^^^^ For this you can use the promo code to get it cheaper. I think. 39.99 right now.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
^^^^ Very good airflow

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
^^^ Also good airflow, but not as good as 922

This will destroy WoW
November 6, 2012 11:00:50 PM

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I am unfamiliar with AMD, but some research pointed to the graphics card being the primary culprit.


Technically speaking, you do not have a graphics card installed. You have an AMD APU, which is a combination CPU and graphics module (included on chip). Depending on the included power supply (when dealing with store bought systems, usually not very reliable for high-end graphic cards), you may be able to simply add a graphics card to your system (you do have an available PCI-Ex16 slot) and vastly improve your game play.

We need to know what power supply was included with your system (usually found on the sticker slapped to the side of your power supply) as well as your budget for upgrading. I'd also recommend returning this system and building from scratch, but $200-$300 (graphics and power) added onto this system should give you a sweet system for gaming.

-Wolf sends
November 6, 2012 11:02:23 PM

What, are you going to take that PC back or something? Just stick a $125 discrete GPU in there and you can max wow out no problem. Or if you want to go bigger get a new PSU and a $200 GPU (about $280 spent) and that PC will be just fine.
November 6, 2012 11:22:35 PM

lchrisk said:


This will destroy WoW

It won't even start, no monitor and operating system :D 
November 6, 2012 11:34:54 PM

lchrisk said:
Oh my did you get ripped off. That build is worth like $300 - 400. Ahaha, return it as soon as possible.

For $750, you could easily max wow at over $60 frames.

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/mLWF
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/mLWF/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/mLWF/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($26.22 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock Z75 Pro3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($35.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung Spinpoint M7E 320GB 2.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7870 2GB Video Card ($209.99 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Phantom 410 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Antec Basiq Plus 550W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $765.14
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

Be able to over clock and everything. If you don't want to go over $750 get this case instead

http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=57910&vpn=Z9%20Plus&ma...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
^^^^^ For this you can use the promo code to get it cheaper. I think. 39.99 right now.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
^^^^ Very good airflow

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
^^^ Also good airflow, but not as good as 922

This will destroy WoW

Switch to an i3 3220.
get a 7770 or 7850
get a cheaper case. If you only have $700, you need the most money you can get on parts that actually matter.
Also add in windows from amazon if you are on prime
Cut out the cooler. I assume you already have a monitor. Also if possible, look for a 7200 rpm. No offense, but that hard drive kinda sucks. You might be able to get a good new one on amazon or ebay for about the same price.
November 6, 2012 11:36:08 PM

Go find a alternative way to obtain a OS if you get what I mean ;D. As for GPU it SHOULD run fine.... I have a laptop thats capable of running WoW with a weaker APU than that. But for 750$ The price is Not right. Go have fun build your own.
November 6, 2012 11:47:20 PM

Definitely return that one and talk her into letting you build it.


PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i3-3220 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor ($119.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock H77M Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($35.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung Spinpoint F3R 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($65.37 @ Amazon)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7850 1GB Video Card ($167.55 @ Newegg)
Case: Antec Three Hundred ATX Mid Tower Case ($35.20 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 450W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($42.99 @ NCIX US)
Monitor: HP LV2311 60Hz 23.0" Monitor ($128.99 @ B&H)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($89.99 @ CompUSA)
Total: $751.06
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)


If you can stand to wait a couple of weeks, should be some good deals going on around Black Friday / Cyber Monday.
November 7, 2012 2:04:38 AM

Best answer selected by wcard.
November 7, 2012 2:10:22 AM

ckholt83 said:
Definitely return that one and talk her into letting you build it.


PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i3-3220 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor ($119.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock H77M Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($35.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung Spinpoint F3R 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($65.37 @ Amazon)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7850 1GB Video Card ($167.55 @ Newegg)
Case: Antec Three Hundred ATX Mid Tower Case ($35.20 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 450W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($42.99 @ NCIX US)
Monitor: HP LV2311 60Hz 23.0" Monitor ($128.99 @ B&H)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($89.99 @ CompUSA)
Total: $751.06
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)


If you can stand to wait a couple of weeks, should be some good deals going on around Black Friday / Cyber Monday.


Thanks for pricing an option that includes monitor and OS, I have a feeling she will go for this one over the "WoW destroyer" build that i like lol.
November 7, 2012 3:10:33 AM

Even if she approves the larger budget you'd need for the 'WoW Destroyer' build lchrisk posted earlier, you can do better than that. If you were going to spend ~$750 on just the tower, I'd do something like this instead:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3470 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($149.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: ASRock H77M Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($35.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung Spinpoint F3R 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($65.37 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 830 Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7870 2GB Video Card ($209.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Antec Three Hundred ATX Mid Tower Case ($35.20 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($49.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $701.51
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)


Comes out to like $740 if you don't have a microcenter nearby for the awesome CPU price.
November 7, 2012 4:25:09 AM

ckholt83 said:
Even if she approves the larger budget you'd need for the 'WoW Destroyer' build lchrisk posted earlier, you can do better than that. If you were going to spend ~$750 on just the tower, I'd do something like this instead:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3470 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($149.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: ASRock H77M Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($35.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung Spinpoint F3R 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($65.37 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 830 Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7870 2GB Video Card ($209.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Antec Three Hundred ATX Mid Tower Case ($35.20 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($49.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $701.51
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)


Comes out to like $740 if you don't have a microcenter nearby for the awesome CPU price.


Thanks so much for the extra info. We do have a microcenter near us so I will definitely look into that.
November 7, 2012 4:39:14 AM

wcard said:
Thanks so much for the extra info. We do have a microcenter near us so I will definitely look into that.


In that case I would definitely get the 3470 instead of the i3 if you're going with the first build I posted that includes the monitor / OS. The extra $30 is absolutely worth it.
November 7, 2012 3:03:10 PM

Forgot the build:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/mNjS

OK, sorry to keep coming back to this after I marked it solved, but I swapped it out and this is the build I came out with. Looking at benchmark comparisons, you weren't kidding about the 3470 being worth it.

I do see one compatibility note, doesn't seem like an issue to me but I figured I'd check.

Also, kind of a noob question i guess, but will she even need an optical drive? I haven't used a disk to install since i built my pc a year ago so I am kinda leaning towards the negative, but what do i know. Again just want to be sure ;) 
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