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November 7, 2012 1:33:24 AM

Okay guys I have 500 (a little less would be awesome) dollars firm without including taxes, I mainly use my computer for Microsoft flight sim X guitar rig, sonar x1 and a couple games on steam. But basically need the best I can get for Microsoft Flight sim X running dual screens. My screen resolution right now is 1600 x 900 I think it can be more but having problems with the amd software for current card.
So the computer I currently have is acer aspire x1420 with amd athlon x3 450 processor 4gb ram, It has the slim case so I have a amd saphire 1 gb 6450 low pro card pretty much the best I could get to put in my case and use with the psu. So basically
I have dvd drive hard drive, mice keyboard monitor maybe memory 4gbs dont know if I can just add 4 more to that I dont know a lot about this I have built a computer before but it was years ago so need all the help I can get. Oh and I will need a OS. Thank you in advance for any help. Time line around mid december and I also live in canada thanks again

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November 7, 2012 3:56:07 AM

That's a pretty tight budget. Here's about the best I could come up with under $500:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i3-3220 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor ($121.98 @ Amazon Canada)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B75M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($64.99 @ NCIX)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($34.99 @ Canada Computers)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition 1GB Video Card ($99.99 @ NCIX)
Case: Antec Three Hundred ATX Mid Tower Case ($34.99 @ Canada Computers)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 450W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($39.99 @ NCIX)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($96.99 @ Computer Valley)
Total: $493.92
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)


If you're buying in December then this is only useful as a general guideline, as prices will have shifted by then and you'll need to check again to see what the best deals are at that point.
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November 7, 2012 9:42:52 PM

okay so Im stupid and just thought. I have an os its already on the harddrive I am using so where should I put the extra 100 then
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November 7, 2012 9:50:53 PM

If that is OEM version of Windows, it's linked to motherboard. Buy new motherboard, buy new Windows licence. Having said that, if you speak to them, Microsoft will often be flexible, and let you "transfer", but that's not guaranteed.
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November 7, 2012 9:53:54 PM

and are dvd players and harddrives universal like can they be used with intel and amd
oh and I thought that amd is better is this true or just a myth or just more expensive thank you very much for all
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November 7, 2012 9:54:48 PM

you might not be able to reuse that OS.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD A10-5800K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor ($119.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock FM2A75M-DGS Micro ATX FM2 Motherboard ($60.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($33.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 6670 1GB Video Card ($48.40 @ NCIX US)
Case: Rosewill FBM-02 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($89.99 @ CompUSA)
Total: $479.31
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)


this included the os, will crossfire with the ddr5 6670, and should game well for flight simulator X
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November 7, 2012 9:55:05 PM

thanks malbluff was not aware that sucks was hoping to save 100
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November 7, 2012 9:58:20 PM

I do not need dvd or harddrive cause the computer I mention above I am just going to use out of it thanks

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November 7, 2012 10:00:41 PM

so screwysqrl what should I get instead better graphics or cpu with the extra 100 left over and is that the canadian newegg cause that is where I am located thanks
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November 7, 2012 10:55:34 PM

oh and I am in canada
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November 7, 2012 11:14:34 PM

sorry guys and I know this is a lot but I like the build ckholt 83 but what about this video card Asus
GT640-2GD3 and can someone explain the difference between ddr 3 ddr 5 and is ddr 5 1 gb better than ddr 3 2 gb one reason I like this card better is cause I have a dvi monitor and a regualar connector monitor already so I wouldnt need new monitor right away
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November 7, 2012 11:19:59 PM

Canadian version for screwysqrl's build. All it leaves you after removing the HDD and dvd drive is about 15$ All I can think of doing with that "extra" cash is buying PC Power & Cooling PPCMK3S500 PSU it's modular so you'll have less cables for better airflow on that small case. Or get a better case.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD A10-5800K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor ($129.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Motherboard: ASRock FM2A75M-DGS Micro ATX FM2 Motherboard ($59.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($34.99 @ Canada Computers)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 6670 1GB Video Card ($95.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Case: Rosewill FBM-02 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($29.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($49.99 @ Canada Computers)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($96.99 @ Computer Valley)
Total: $485.93
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

I would also like to add that he put that GPU because with AMDs A10 with integrated graphics you can "crossfire" it so to speak, to get away better performance.
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November 7, 2012 11:25:01 PM

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PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/mSDs
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/mSDs/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/mSDs/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i3-2120 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor ($109.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock H61M-DGS Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($39.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 560 Ti 1GB Video Card ($93.30 @ NCIX US)
Case: NZXT Gamma Classic (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Antec 450W ATX12V Power Supply ($31.64 @ NCIX US)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($89.99 @ CompUSA)
Total: $479.88
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

The GTX 560ti is a better video card for the price than the 7770, it's almost as good as a 7850.

You don't need a nice motherboard if you're not going to overclock, and if you don't really need USB 3.0 on your motherboard unless you use external hard drives; few PC peripherals use USB 3.0 at this time.

The NZXT Gamma Case used to be one of the best cases around $40, but since you can get it with a rebate for 25, you might as well.

You'll get better performance overall with this build.

GDDR5 is a lot faster than DDR3, I believe there's like a 20-30 fps difference, correct me if I'm wrong.


He's in canada so your build will be over his budget.
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November 7, 2012 11:29:43 PM

Yeah, just realised lol. I'm coming up with a new one, my bad.

Edit: Here it is, same reasons as old post mostly, the GTX 560 still beats out the 7770, it's about as good as a 6870, and you're getting USB 3.0 on this motherboard as well.

A bit better performance than the first build, almost the same, but with same performance RAM for cheaper, same-ish MOBO for cheaper, and then better graphics card that would help in the long run.

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/ca/p/mSIj
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/ca/p/mSIj/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/ca/p/mSIj/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i3-3220 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor ($121.89 @ DirectCanada)
Motherboard: MSI B75MA-E33 Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($49.99 @ Canada Computers)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($27.99 @ NCIX)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 560 1GB Video Card ($107.94 @ NCIX)
Case: Antec Three Hundred ATX Mid Tower Case ($34.99 @ Canada Computers)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 450W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($39.99 @ NCIX)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($96.99 @ Computer Valley)
Total: $479.78
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

By the way, A10 + 6670 is not the best idea, if you're going for crossfire, because crossfire has been already known to be buggy, and there isn't much support for it at the moment. If you were to use the A10 as a CPU and the 6670 as a GPU, you could get a better CPU for the same price. That's also one hella expensive 6670, it should go for like 2/3 the price of a GTX 560, or at least it does in America, lol. 10 dollars more for 6870 performance vs. 6670 is proobably worth it, imo.
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November 7, 2012 11:37:53 PM

seems like a solid build for that budget. but I think he'd be better off with a AMD quad core instead of the dual core.
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November 7, 2012 11:38:11 PM

chadk24 said:
Canadian version for screwysqrl's build. All it leaves you after removing the HDD and dvd drive is about 15$ All I can think of doing with that "extra" cash is buying PC Power & Cooling PPCMK3S500 PSU it's modular so you'll have less cables for better airflow on that small case. Or get a better case.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD A10-5800K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor ($129.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Motherboard: ASRock FM2A75M-DGS Micro ATX FM2 Motherboard ($59.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($34.99 @ Canada Computers)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 6670 1GB Video Card ($95.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Case: Rosewill FBM-02 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($29.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($49.99 @ Canada Computers)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($96.99 @ Computer Valley)
Total: $485.93
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

I would also like to add that he put that GPU because with AMDs A10 with integrated graphics you can "crossfire" it so to speak, to get away better performance.


First of all thanks for the build pretty sure this is what I am going with unless someone can beat just one question though you speak of the amds a10 ability to "crossfire well will that crossfire with the video card you picked cause I looked it up and it said no crossfire . Or is it something the mother board just does
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November 7, 2012 11:42:23 PM

Crossfire is very buggy at the moment. The A10 isn't 4 TRUE cores, so either way, the i3 3220 is beating it in performance. The A10 is slightly worse than the Phenom II X4 965, and at stock speeds (no overclock) the Phenom II X4 (TRUE QUAD CORE) actually UNDERPERFORMED the Pentium G630 (2 cores) in CPU oriented games. This is because Intel generally has better performance PER core, so they can use less cores for same/better performance. The i3 3220 is roughly on-par with the FX 4300, which certainly rapes the A10 (lol)

Either way, crossfiring an A10 and a 6670 successfully has shown performance just UNDER a radeon 6850, and the GTX 560 is on-par with the radeon 6870, so the GTX 560 is a much better deal, and also rapes the crossfire, and also, you're getting a better CPU. (especially since apparently the A10 doesn't have 4 true cores) I don't want to mash his build, but he picked some expensive items for that build that you could get better performance for lower prices.

This build is $40 over budget, but if you really want a true quad core, you could go with this build. You'd be getting FX 8350 performance.

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/ca/p/mSMp
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/ca/p/mSMp/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/ca/p/mSMp/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-3350P 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor ($179.30 @ NCIX)
Motherboard: MSI B75MA-E33 Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($49.99 @ Canada Computers)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($27.99 @ NCIX)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 560 1GB Video Card ($107.94 @ NCIX)
Case: Antec Three Hundred ATX Mid Tower Case ($34.99 @ Canada Computers)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 450W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($39.99 @ NCIX)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($96.99 @ Computer Valley)
Total: $537.19
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
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November 7, 2012 11:44:32 PM

miketmt69 said:
First of all thanks for the build pretty sure this is what I am going with unless someone can beat just one question though you speak of the amds a10 ability to "crossfire well will that crossfire with the video card you picked cause I looked it up and it said no crossfire . Or is it something the mother board just does

Well thats the thing I think the 6670 and 6570 are the only 2 that can work with it. there's a video on newegg about it http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681... at about 14:30 into the vid.
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November 7, 2012 11:45:52 PM

You can also as Sonicers said get a cheaper 6670 for like 60$
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November 7, 2012 11:47:06 PM

plus you can always add a better GPU later when you have more cash. But this is plenty good. I'm probably going to build a similar one for a friend
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November 7, 2012 11:50:01 PM

http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/46157-amd-a10-5800k-d...

Here it shows that when you Crossfire you get LOWER fps than without crossfire. If you didn't use crossfire, there'd be no point in getting the A10. The only real point to getting the A10 is if you want to use it without a graphics card. Crossfire works on ONE popular game, and it works on DX9 on medium graphics settings, although if you're spending $500 on a PC, you'd best play that stuff on HIGH lol.

It also shows that the i3 is a much better CPU, even though it's a dual core (although the A10 isn't actually a true quad, anyways)

You can conclude from this that i3 > A10 and crossfire is not good, lol. The 6670 is FAR behind the 6870, which is the equivalent of a GTX 560. This makes the GTX 560 a much better choice, especially since its ONLY ten dollars more. Comparing the 6670 to the GTX 560 is like comparing the GT 530 to the GTX 560, I believe.
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November 7, 2012 11:52:48 PM

Id say go with the i5 build worth the extra 40
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November 7, 2012 11:53:45 PM

It'll last him quite a few years too :D 

A year longer than the i3/A10, at least.

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November 7, 2012 11:57:06 PM

So one more question for both of you cause i like both these builds a lot first of all which one will let me get the most out of mircrosoft flight sim (fsx) Cause that is what this computer is intented for and for sonicers nice build little over budget but think I can swing if I dont get raped in shipping cost, do you know if there is a connector to convert a standart connect monitor to a dvi cause right now I have a 21 inch dvi and a 19 inch stantard old connector so this video card would not work
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November 8, 2012 12:09:07 AM

miketmt69 said:
So one more question for both of you cause i like both these builds a lot first of all which one will let me get the most out of mircrosoft flight sim (fsx) Cause that is what this computer is intented for and for sonicers nice build little over budget but think I can swing if I dont get raped in shipping cost, do you know if there is a connector to convert a standart connect monitor to a dvi cause right now I have a 21 inch dvi and a 19 inch stantard old connector so this video card would not work

theres an adapter
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November 8, 2012 12:13:32 AM

okay thanks I just found the connector you guys are a great help will definitely go for the i5 system now I am on the mission of seeing if there is a way to bring this windows with me to this computer would love if that is possible would save 100 thanks again for the help Didnt even know about that pcpartpicker that is an amazing tool.
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November 8, 2012 12:30:52 AM

Glad to help :) 

Best of luck to you on your build!
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November 8, 2012 12:42:31 AM

Best answer selected by miketmt69.
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