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November 7, 2012 4:48:27 PM

Hello all, my current system is about ready to bite the dust and I need to upgrade on a budget. Here is what I am looking at...

Approximate Purchase Date: Ready to go

Budget Range: $600-$800 for tower only

System Usage from Most to Least Important: gaming, media (hi-def video and audio both on HDD and streaming), menial tasks like MS Office programs

Are you buying a monitor: No

I play a lot ot games like Skyrim, Guild Wars 2, and Civ 5. I don't use a lot of mods and am not worried about maxing out performance, I just want a system that will easily run these games and games of the next couple years smoothly and on medium-high settings. Otherwise I don't really run any overly intensive programs and am rarely running more than 3 -4 at once such as Spotify, web browser, and a game.

Solid state drives sound awesome and I'd love to try one out but only if it can fit into this budget while still allowing for a good processor and a decent graphics card. It definitely takes a back seat to those. I have all of the peripherals and a 24" HD monitor so all I'm looking for is the tower.

Total storage is also not a major concern because I have an external and don't store a ton of media on it. I'd be more than happy to take a smaller HDD like 500 GB if that frees up money for a SSD!

Thoughts?

ALSO, this pre-built running for $550 at Best Buy seems to be in the ballpark of what I am looking for (but the graphics card is probably a little weak) if you need a frame of reference:

Processor Platform AMD VISION A8 APU
Processor Speed 3.6GHz
System Memory (RAM) 8GB
Hard Drive Type SATA (7200 rpm)
Hard Drive Size 1TB
Graphics AMD Radeon HD 7560D
Video Memory Up to 4GB (shared)

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November 7, 2012 5:21:51 PM

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/mQjo
Huge value build oriented towards overclocking.

CPU AMD A8-5600K http://pcpartpicker.com/part/amd-cpu-ad560kwohjbox
CPU Cooler Cooler Master Hyper 612 http://pcpartpicker.com/part/cooler-master-cpu-cooler-r...
Motherboard ASRock FM2A75M-DGS http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asrock-motherboard-fm2a75m...
Memory Corsair Vengeance 2x4GB DDR3-1600 http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-memory-cml8gx3m2a1...
Storage Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB http://pcpartpicker.com/part/western-digital-internal-h...
Video Card Sapphire Radeon HD 7850 100355-1GOCL http://pcpartpicker.com/part/sapphire-video-card-100355...
Case Rosewill FBM-02 MicroATX Mini Tower http://pcpartpicker.com/part/rosewill-case-fbm02
Power Supply Antec VP-450W http://pcpartpicker.com/part/antec-power-supply-vp450
Optical Drive Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-optical-drive-drw24b1...

Total: $559.55
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November 7, 2012 5:28:58 PM

Non-overclocking oriented build:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/mQoA

Same except switch out the mobo and CPU for these and remove the CPU cooler:
CPU Intel Core i3-3220 3.3GHz http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80637i33220
Motherboard MSI B75MA-E33 http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-motherboard-b75mae33
Total: $522.57

The i3-3220 is faster in gaming on average at stock than the A8-5600K by a large margin, but the A8 can be overclocked to beat it (not important if you don't want to overclock, but worth mentioning just in case you consider doing it). The motherboard had to be changed because the A8-5600K and the i3-3220 aren't supported by the same motherboards.

The Radeon 7850 shared by both builds is many times faster than the A8-5600K's IGP (7560D), so the A8's IGP would be disabled in my builds here. The Best Buy computer is extremely slow in graphics performance compared to the RAdeon 7850.
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November 7, 2012 5:31:35 PM

Neither build has an SSD, so here is an SSD suggestion:
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/samsung-internal-hard-driv...
Samsung 830 128GB $89.99 free shipping

The Samsung 830 is one of the most reliable SSDs (up there with Plextor's SSDs, Crucial's M4, Vertex 4, Agility 4, and Intel's SSDs, IE the best tier of reliability), one of the fastest (doesn't need to rely on compression like the SandForce SSDs do), and is also one of the most power efficient (not important for a desktop because even the least efficient SSDs still use very little power, but still).

This would push the total costs of each system that I suggested up to about $650 for my first suggestion and about $612.5 for my second suggestion.
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November 7, 2012 5:42:28 PM

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i3-3220 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor ($119.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock H77 Pro4/MVP ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($87.55 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($40.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital RE2 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($53.88 @ Compuvest)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7870 2GB Video Card ($214.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Antec Three Hundred ATX Mid Tower Case ($35.20 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($49.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-222BB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ CompUSA)
Total: $620.58
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
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November 7, 2012 5:49:06 PM

mrdowntownkiller said:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i3-3220 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor ($119.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock H77 Pro4/MVP ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($87.55 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($40.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital RE2 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($53.88 @ Compuvest)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7870 2GB Video Card ($214.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Antec Three Hundred ATX Mid Tower Case ($35.20 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($49.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-222BB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ CompUSA)
Total: $620.58
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)


The total for your build is $650.58, not $620.58. I wouldn't count MIRs as if they're guaranteed money because they're not a guarantee and even when you get them and get them on time, they're often in the form of a gift card or something like that these days rather than actual money.
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November 7, 2012 5:58:52 PM

My thoughts:

1. downtown's build is very good
2. Seems like you could find a hard drive in your house/apt? ... 'cause
3. then you could get an SSD (120 GB) and I LOVE MY SSD !!

Good Luck !!
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November 7, 2012 6:20:23 PM

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($139.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Xigmatek GAIA SD1283 56.3 CFM CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock 970DE3/U3S3 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($69.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($33.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Hitachi Deskstar 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: OCZ Agility 3 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($74.99 @ Microcenter)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card ($174.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cougar Solution (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $633.91
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
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November 7, 2012 6:38:02 PM

ScrewySqrl said:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($139.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Xigmatek GAIA SD1283 56.3 CFM CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock 970DE3/U3S3 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($69.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($33.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Hitachi Deskstar 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: OCZ Agility 3 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($74.99 @ Microcenter)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card ($174.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cougar Solution (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $633.91
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)


Hitachi is among the least reliable hard drive brands, the Agility 3 is one of the slowest and least reliable SSDs available, and the Corsair CX series has crap caps. You also counted MIRs as if they're instant rebates, which they're not. Why skimp on quality on so many components just to get an FX-6300 as the CPU (and an unreliable Hitachi hard drive just to get a 1TB drive when OP stated that a 500GB such as the superior Caviar Blues and even one of Seagate's 500GB Barracuda drives is plenty) when it has similar gaming performance and is far less energy efficient than the Trinity A8s, A10s, and Intel's i3s?
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November 7, 2012 6:45:40 PM

1) Corsair CX 430 is a Johnnyguru recommended PSU, including its caps, and comes with a 5 year warranty
2) Hitachi is now the same company as Western Digital, and even 'unreliable' hard drive companies have a less than 1 in 10,000 failure rate.
3) Agility 3 is plenty fast enough, especially for the price.
4) PC Partpicker always included rebates in its prices, and always has. In any case, the OP suggested up to $800
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November 7, 2012 6:52:40 PM

ScrewySqrl said:
1) Corsair CX 430 is a Johnnyguru recommended PSU, including its caps, and comes with a 5 year warranty
2) Hitachi is now the same company as Western Digital, and even 'unreliable' hard drive companies have a less than 1 in 10,000 failure rate.
3) Agility 3 is plenty fast enough, especially for the price.


CX series is a mere third rate (out of six tiers) power supply family as a whole at best and the 430 is no exception. I don't even know where you read that it has a five year warranty because it doesn't anywhere I've seen it. There are many superior PSUs in the same price ranges.
http://www.eggxpert.com/forums/thread/323050.aspx

I could pull up more in detail proof of its quality, but I see little reason to. Also, Johnnyguru doesn't review failure rates.

Hitachi doesn't have nearly a 1 in 10,000 failure rate. If they did, I wouldn't complain. Not even the best hard drive models have a 1 in 10,000 failure rate , at least not in consumer models.

Agility 3 is unreliable, so arguing about its speed isn't going to help make a case for it. Besides, it most certainly is not fast enough for the price. Far superior SSDs are literally only a few dollars more expensive.
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November 7, 2012 6:59:33 PM

ScrewySqrl said:
corsair cx 430 v2 review:

http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&fil...

Agility 3 has the same sandforce controller as most other SSDs. If you *must*, you can get an Agility 4 120gb for $25 more


johnny Guru doesn't review failure rates.

The only SandForce drives that I would ever recommend is Intel's and even then, there are better SSDs with better prices, so I wouldn't recommend them. Furthermore, having the same controller doesn't mean same quality with SandForce because each SSD company using SandForce designs their power circuitry on their own and more or less manages the firmware updates. OCZ did a crap job on the first and only did well on the second later on. Agility 3, Vertex 3, and Vertex 3 MAXIOPS have by far the worst failure rates of the SATA6Gb/s SandForce based SSD families.

Agility 4, although much more reliable than Agility 3, is still slow for the money. The Samsung 830 128 GB is cheaper and faster while being similarly reliable to Agility 4 (probably a little more reliable) and using a little less power.
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November 7, 2012 7:03:51 PM

the CX 430 is one of the most recommended psu's on this board, because its cheap, but very reliable:

Quote:
Corsair has managed to pull off rather successfully something not too many companies can brag about. They've come up with a reliable, cheap, and well performing power supply for everyday systems that don't expect a lot from their power supplies. ... At this price, it's very hard to do better and very easy to do worse.


and I use the CX 430 V1 as my own power supply, so I do put my money where my mouth is with this PSU.
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November 7, 2012 7:06:50 PM

ScrewySqrl said:
the CX 430 is one of the most recommended psu's on this board, because its cheap, but very reliable:

Quote:
Corsair has managed to pull off rather successfully something not too many companies can brag about. They've come up with a reliable, cheap, and well performing power supply for everyday systems that don't expect a lot from their power supplies. ... At this price, it's very hard to do better and very easy to do worse.


and I use the CX 430 V1 as my own power supply, so I do put my money where my mouth is with this PSU.


I've used several v1s and v2s in many builds (as well as used to recommend them before I had a prolonged experience with many units) and speak from experience. It is not a particularly reliable PSU in either version compared to the alternatives such as the Antec VP-450 which is more efficient and more reliable.

I'm not trying to be rude and I think that I may have unintentionally come off as rude, just saying.
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November 7, 2012 7:35:23 PM

The one thing I do not understand blazorthon is why the A-series in the amd build? If he's not using the integrated graphics why not get a pileddriver?
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November 7, 2012 7:44:00 PM

jackspeed said:
The one thing I do not understand blazorthon is why the A-series in the amd build? If he's not using the integrated graphics why not get a pileddriver?


Price and power efficiency as well as performance. The problem with the FX CPUs is that the similarly priced FX CPUs aren't much faster than the A8s and A10s for most workloads, if at all (including gaming), but they wastes a lot more power and are mostly more expensive if you want an actually faster model. Why pay more for less? The only performance difference is the L3 cache and in this situation, it simply doesn't change much, probably because of Trinity already having a lot of L2 cache and the L3 cache of FX being extremely slow.

An A8 or A10 uses a lot less power for similar performance at a similar or lower price. The FM2 platform is also supposed to have the next AU generation, so there is a decent upgrade path. The AM3+ platform doesn't really have incentive at this price point.
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November 7, 2012 7:45:12 PM

Well i am trying to be rude :p 
i think that "expert" tag you got from having x amount of posts really goes to your head.
As from what i am seeing, you literally dont know anything about computer hardware >.>

Your build uses a micro atx case for a gaming computer....
you have a cpu cooler that WILL NOT FIT in your case...
you are buying a higher end graphics card, that probably wont fit, or barely fit.
you have crap airflow, and non existent cable management. (so ya overclocking lol? and a 7850 to boot?)

Next is the fact you are talking about overclocking with a 3+1 power phase board with no vrm cooling... ya good luck with that... wtf overclocking are you going to do? 100mhz?

And last your PSU. Its not bad by any means, but really you are going to knock on the corsair CX series, but say to get this psu? really are you that dumb? This psu uses delta parts... ya delta is no better then the cwt in the corsair cx series...

want to add 1 last thing. You know what causes like 99% of all hard drive failures? shipping. yes shipping. You know how much things get literally thrown while shipping. an when i say thrown i mean like THROWN lol
And lots of times, the hdd packaging is sub par at best. and that just increases the chance of failure rate even more.
Even if its not DoA, it can still have premature failure because of the abuse during shipping.

SO really its not the fact the brand is so terrible, its the shipping. So for hdd you should either buy locally, or buy from somewhere where you can get better then UPS shipping. Maybe like fed-ex or shipping by air.

So id also suggest getting that hitachi hdd, since its cheap and has a 3year warranty. That or buy locally to avoid shipping abuse.

ill say your SSD choice is solid, as for that price is really good.

Idk why everyone is linking 7850 tho... he said he just wants to "play" games, not MAX BF3 at 1920x1080 lol


CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (id go with the $90 one just due to the retarded sata placement lol)
Ram+graphics card combo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
HDD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Optical drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Case: www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681113901...

-$6 promo code "FanTenOff" for case, ends 11/12

its a total of $568 after shipping, and including above promo code.
There are $20 MIR you can get too.

Do you need a windows OS? as that is going to add like another $90

If you wanted to go for a SSD, i too would say http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... is good for the price.


case is something you will always be able to reuse for most all builds, so you dont want to cheap out TOO much on it. It should have good airflow/cable management, and support larger graphics cards. For the price, the 200R is great, and it comes with a extra free corsair fan, for a side intake.

You also want a quality PSU. the antec neo eco uses seasonic parts which are top notch. 520W (40A on single 12V rail) should be enough for most builds. You can easily get a higher end graphics card with it.

ram really doesnt matter too much. The ivy brige has a ddr3 1600 memory controller, so get ddr3 1600. 8GB is seriously more then you can ever use ever lol. you would actually be fine with 4GB if you wanted. (i have 8GB and have NEVER used more then like 3.4GB, even when gaming AND multitasking like photoshop, firefox, and other *** as the same time...)

motherboard doesnt make too much difference unless you either want to overclock or run multi graphics cards. or want one with specific features. But you should get an H77/Z77 chipset for the ivy bridge cpus.



And i want to add, he is right that getting the trinity APUs are MUCH better then the piledriver for gaming... why the *** would you get a piledriver cpu for gaming? the i3-3220 beats all of them in performance for cheaper...
And if you wanted cheaper then the i3, you go with trinity.

trinity < i3-3220 < i5-3450
thats pretty much the scale for gaming cpus. getting something other then that is retarded.
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November 7, 2012 7:47:24 PM

ScrewySqrl said:
1) Corsair CX 430 is a Johnnyguru recommended PSU, including its caps, and comes with a 5 year warranty
2) Hitachi is now the same company as Western Digital, and even 'unreliable' hard drive companies have a less than 1 in 10,000 failure rate.
3) Agility 3 is plenty fast enough, especially for the price.
4) PC Partpicker always included rebates in its prices, and always has. In any case, the OP suggested up to $800


It takes a little digging, but if you start here: http://forums.hardwaresecrets.com/not-so-tough/8805 and follow the link onto the badcaps.org forum, you'll find the information about the inferior, failure prone Samxon caps used in the V2 version of the Builder. I would not buy one.
The Hitachi Deskstar does have a three-year warranty; only the WD Black drives have more than that (five years), and many drives have less. While it isn't a particularly fast drive, I don't think I'd be concerned about reliability. For example, having reduced their warranty to a miserable one year, I would no longer trust the Samsung Spinpoint F3.
Agility 3 is Sandfarce, and OCZ; a deadly combination. Tales of bricks abound. Maybe the firmware's been fixed, maybe it hasn't. As far as I'm concerned, OCZ has lost my trust. Get a Samsung 830 or a Crucial M4 if you want speed, or one of the non-Sandfarce Kingston drives if you want cheap. Keep in mind that even a cheap SSD blows the doors off a fast mechanical HDD.
I don't count rebates either; they're not a sure thing and really you have no recourse (that's not more expensive than the rebate) if you don't get one.

Anyway, I prefer the non-overclocking Intel build, BUT I would choose a mobo other than MSI. On their lower-end boards, MSI has been known to use weak VRMs. I would choose Asus on quality, ASRock on price, or Gigabyte somewhere in the middle.

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November 7, 2012 7:52:58 PM

filenotfound said:
Well i am trying to be rude :p 
i think that "expert" tag you got from having x amount of posts really goes to your head.
As from what i am seeing, you literally dont know anything about computer hardware >.>

Your build uses a micro atx case for a gaming computer....
you have a cpu cooler that WILL NOT FIT in your case...
you are buying a higher end graphics card, that probably wont fit, or barely fit.
you have crap airflow, and non existent cable management. (so ya overclocking lol? and a 7850 to boot?)

Next is the fact you are talking about overclocking with a 3+1 power phase board with no vrm cooling... ya good luck with that... wtf overclocking are you going to do? 100mhz?

And last your PSU. Its not bad by any means, but really you are going to knock on the corsair CX series, but say to get this psu? really are you that dumb? This psu uses delta parts... ya delta is no better then the cwt in the corsair cx series...
SO really its not the fact the brand is so terrible, its the shipping. So for hdd you should either buy locally, or buy from somewhere where you can get better then UPS shipping. Maybe like fed-ex or shipping by air.
So id also suggest getting that hitachi hdd, since its cheap and has a 3year warranty. That or buy locally to avoid shipping abuse.
Idk why everyone is linking 7850 tho... he said he just wants to "play" games, not MAX BF3 at 1920x1080 lol


I have used that case with Radeon 7850s. They fit just fine, at least the models that I've used.

The airflow is enough for this build.

The A8, with the IGP disabled, has decent headroom even with that board. You forget that this APU/CPU simply doesn't use a lot of power and I'm not suggesting a ridiculous overclock.

In my experience, this PSU has been lasted longer with greater efficiency and dealt with somewhat higher loads better than the CX 430s that I've used.

I never said that going with a Caviar Blue means that you can't have DOA issues and other reliability issues, I said that it is more reliable and that's a fact that is reflected in the failure rates. Regardless of the causes for the failures, it has lower failure rates and that's what matters. Whether it's more reliable shipping or better build quality doesn't matter. If I'm wrong about it being built better, then fine, I'll admit to that if given proof showing that I'm wrong. However, it still has far lower failure rates everywhere I look and I've had better luck with them myself.

As for the cooler, maybe you're right about that, I admit that I didn't check that for sure and I should have. However, that can easily be fixed by getting a different cooler and/or a different case.

Maybe the 7850 is overkill, it's just what I often default to recommending in ~500-650 gaming builds because it fits in and gives excellent performance. If OP wanted a lower end card, then OP could say so and I'd edit my suggestions.
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November 7, 2012 7:55:21 PM

filenotfound said:
Well i am trying to be rude :p 
i think that "expert" tag you got from having x amount of posts really goes to your head.
As from what i am seeing, you literally dont know anything about computer hardware >.>

Your build uses a micro atx case for a gaming computer....
you have a cpu cooler that WILL NOT FIT in your case...
you are buying a higher end graphics card, that probably wont fit, or barely fit.
you have crap airflow, and non existent cable management. (so ya overclocking lol? and a 7850 to boot?)

Next is the fact you are talking about overclocking with a 3+1 power phase board with no vrm cooling... ya good luck with that... wtf overclocking are you going to do? 100mhz?

And last your PSU. Its not bad by any means, but really you are going to knock on the corsair CX series, but say to get this psu? really are you that dumb? This psu uses delta parts... ya delta is no better then the cwt in the corsair cx series...

want to add 1 last thing. You know what causes like 99% of all hard drive failures? shipping. yes shipping. You know how much things get literally thrown while shipping. an when i say thrown i mean like THROWN lol
And lots of times, the hdd packaging is sub par at best. and that just increases the chance of failure rate even more.
Even if its not DoA, it can still have premature failure because of the abuse during shipping.

SO really its not the fact the brand is so terrible, its the shipping. So for hdd you should either buy locally, or buy from somewhere where you can get better then UPS shipping. Maybe like fed-ex or shipping by air.

So id also suggest getting that hitachi hdd, since its cheap and has a 3year warranty. That or buy locally to avoid shipping abuse.

ill say your SSD choice is solid, as for that price is really good.

Idk why everyone is linking 7850 tho... he said he just wants to "play" games, not MAX BF3 at 1920x1080 lol


CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (id go with the $90 one just due to the retarded sata placement lol)
Ram+graphics card combo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
HDD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Optical drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Case: www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681113901...

-$6 promo code "FanTenOff" for case, ends 11/12

its a total of $568 after shipping, and including above promo code.
There are $20 MIR you can get too.

Do you need a windows OS? as that is going to add like another $90

If you wanted to go for a SSD, i too would say http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... is good for the price.


case is something you will always be able to reuse for most all builds, so you dont want to cheap out TOO much on it. It should have good airflow/cable management, and support larger graphics cards. For the price, the 200R is great, and it comes with a extra free corsair fan, for a side intake.

You also want a quality PSU. the antec neo eco uses seasonic parts which are top notch. 520W (40A on single 12V rail) should be enough for most builds. You can easily get a higher end graphics card with it.

ram really doesnt matter too much. The ivy brige has a ddr3 1600 memory controller, so get ddr3 1600. 8GB is seriously more then you can ever use ever lol. you would actually be fine with 4GB if you wanted. (i have 8GB and have NEVER used more then like 3.4GB, even when gaming AND multitasking like photoshop, firefox, and other *** as the same time...)

motherboard doesnt make too much difference unless you either want to overclock or run multi graphics cards. or want one with specific features. But you should get an H77/Z77 chipset for the ivy bridge cpus.



And i want to add, he is right that getting the trinity APUs are MUCH better then the piledriver for gaming... why the *** would you get a piledriver cpu for gaming? the i3-3220 beats all of them in performance for cheaper...
And if you wanted cheaper then the i3, you go with trinity.

trinity < i3-3220 < i5-3450
thats pretty much the scale for gaming cpus. getting something other then that is retarded.

What a tough essay lol
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November 7, 2012 8:03:16 PM

filenotfound said:
Well i am trying to be rude :p 
i think that "expert" tag you got from having x amount of posts really goes to your head.
As from what i am seeing, you literally dont know anything about computer hardware >.>

Your build uses a micro atx case for a gaming computer....
you have a cpu cooler that WILL NOT FIT in your case...
you are buying a higher end graphics card, that probably wont fit, or barely fit.
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I've read lots of Blazorthon's posts. Yes, he can be a little abrupt; but you want to know something? He tends to be right. I suspect THAT's why he has "Expert" after his name. At the very least, even when I haven't agreed with him, I've found his POV tends to add to the discussion. He's not deliberately rude either. He can harp (e.g. on disabling threads on Faildozer/Piledriver), but we ALL do that (mine is junk PSU-shaped objects and Crappermaster's dishonesty).
I'VE got a M-ATX gaming computer ("Phoenix"), with an OC'ed HD7870, and a Xigmatek Gaia, and four drives in it, and everything fits just fine and temps are reasonable. It's quiet too. I am using a nicer case, but a cheaper one with faster fans would have worked too (would just be louder).


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November 7, 2012 8:03:27 PM

well i was just amazed you could possibly recommend that case for a gaming computer lol
anyway about the hdd failure rates, thats extremely subjective.
what are you basing your failure rate on? reviews lol? ya because those are a reliable way of getting quality information >.>

i admit i dont really write reviews much, for good or bad. Ive had things fail, or arrive DoA, but wtf is the point in writing a negative review about that? EVERYTHING mechanical or electronic is prone to failure. You are going to get ones that fail prematurely or arrive DoA, its like a fact of life lol
Wtf is the point in giving it a negative review based on that.

Most people who write reviews really dont know anything about computers or hardware, and most of the ones who give negative reviews are either on premature failures/doa or ones caused by their own ignorance or neglect.

And like i said most doa/failures are on hdd and optical drives. And most of those are caused by shipping as those are the 2 most vulnerable components in the computer when going through shipping. Next would probably be PSU, which most of those failures are caused by user neglect and ignorance. Things like running your PSU are extreme high loads all the time, dust build up, top mounted psu, and/or generic psu.

So if you were say forced to review things you buy, then really reviews would look alot different. You would see the failure rate for most things are around the same (not counting things like generic psu as those are going to die lol), and is very small.
There would be like thousands of positive reviews if people who are too lazy or forget about reviews actually reviewed products lol

just because a item has more negative reviews about failures doesnt make it an inferior product. Its just happens people who bought that cry the loudest. ive only bought 1 hitachi drive and its worked fine, and have bought lots of WD/seagate and have had a few doa and premature failures, but i dont complain, i just return them.
boo hoo i have to pay return shipping... its STILL cheaper then going to most local places and buying things..
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November 7, 2012 8:05:05 PM

I would recommend an I3 or i5 build to the OP. I don't like the suggestion of the A series if you are not going to use the reason behind it. I guess I can see where blazorthon is coming from though.

A 7850 *may* be needed when the next gen game consoles come out. This will drive the requirements for some games up a lot and that in turn will drive many others up as well. This is all speculation but a 7850 is within the ops budget.

Also @the op would 256GB be enough with no hdd? if so you could get this 160 and it has a $30 rebate that is not a credit card. which would put the price at 130.41 and about 1/2 an hour worth of work.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...
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