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$700 First(ish) build. Is it Kosher?

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November 8, 2012 11:42:06 PM

First of all thank you to everyone on this site, your posts and advice have helped a great deal in deciding on components.

I'm building a desktop to replace my ~$300, 3 year old laptop. I indend to upgrade this rig later, when I have more time for gaming, and more money. As you can see, it is by no means a gaming computer, my most demanding functions being 2D CAD and 1080p Movies (non-3D). Here are the components (minus extras). Could someone please let me know if everything will play well together? Also, are there things I could do without? I know that the i3 I'm buying has Intel HD4000 but I didn't know if my Z77 mobo supported it, so I got a video card that would (I hope) work with my 1080p monitor (Old Vizio TV, yes, I'm that cheap). Thanks in advance.

i3-3225 Ivy Bridge (HD4000 Graphics)
Seagate Barracuda Green 1.5TB HDD
EVGA 01G-P3-1302-LR GeForce 8400 GS (1 GB)
8 GB DDR3 1600 (G.Skil Ripjaws series)
ASUS P8Z77-V LK Mobo
Corsair Builder Series 430W power supply
ASUS DRW-24B1ST SATA 24X DVD Burner
Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit

Thank you again. Let me know if (where) I screwed up :non: 

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November 8, 2012 11:42:48 PM

Also, if you're wondering where I got $700 from all this, there a quite a few extras I need (input, wireless, software, etc)
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November 8, 2012 11:56:36 PM

Get the 6450, it's cheaper and better, for 15 dollars with the mail in rebate.
Don't get a "Green" HDD, they're known to fail more.
Get a MSI B75 motherboard, since you won't overclock. That'll save you like 50 bucks. You can't overclock with an i3 anyways.
If you get the 6450, get the i3 3220. If you get the 8400GS, don't get the 8400GS. The i3 3225 has better integrated graphics than the 8400GS, so buying it would be a waste of money.
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November 8, 2012 11:58:31 PM

It's not quite Kosher, you'd need a butcher to build it for you to make this computer Kosher.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD A10-5800K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor ($124.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock FM2A85X Extreme6 ATX FM2 Motherboard ($107.86 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($33.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($94.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Sound Card: Asus Xonar DGX 24-bit 96 KHz Sound Card ($47.67 @ Newegg)
Case: MSI TC- (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($27.99 @ Microcenter)
Power Supply: OCZ Fatal1ty 550W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($89.99 @ CompUSA)
Total: $583.96
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

The AMD A10-5800K's Radeon HD 7660D has better integrated graphics than the i3-3225's HD 4000.
I also threw in a sound card ( PCI x1 ), if your really into watching videos/movies on your computer it adds that "Oomph" if you are going to run surround.
The case I chose is solid case with a side panel.
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November 9, 2012 12:02:45 AM

Thomas Creel said:
It's not quite Kosher, you'd need a butcher to build it for you to make this computer Kosher.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD A10-5800K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor ($124.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock FM2A85X Extreme6 ATX FM2 Motherboard ($107.86 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($33.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($94.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Sound Card: Asus Xonar DGX 24-bit 96 KHz Sound Card ($47.67 @ Newegg)
Case: MSI TC- (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($27.99 @ Microcenter)
Power Supply: OCZ Fatal1ty 550W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($89.99 @ CompUSA)
Total: $583.96
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

The AMD A10-5800K's Radeon HD 7660D has better integrated graphics than the i3-3225's HD 4000.
The case I chose has a solid case with a side panel.


Thank you, that was extremely helpful, just not to me. No offense, I know this is great advice, but I use this computer for work (partially) and I am ONLY allowed to use intel chips (Trust me, if I had the option, I would build nearly exactly what you suggested). Thank you anyway
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November 9, 2012 12:09:45 AM

Oh well, if you can take anything from my board onto your Intel build it is the case, optical drive,hard drive, power supply, operating system, sound card, and memory.

All you have to do is use the i3-3225 and pick any LGA 1155 motherboard you want, I suggest ( ASRock Z77 Pro3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($102.55 @ Newegg) )
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November 9, 2012 12:10:00 AM

sonicers said:
Get the 6450, it's cheaper and better, for 15 dollars with the mail in rebate.
Don't get a "Green" HDD, they're known to fail more.
Get a MSI B75 motherboard, since you won't overclock. That'll save you like 50 bucks. You can't overclock with an i3 anyways.
If you get the 6450, get the i3 3220. If you get the 8400GS, don't get the 8400GS. The i3 3225 has better integrated graphics than the 8400GS, so buying it would be a waste of money.



Excellent. If I do get the i3 3220, should I still get the 6450, or is it a luxury (albeit a reasonably priced luxury)? Also, for the 6450, I'm assuming you're talking about the MSI ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... ) right? Is the MIR worth it, what if it breaks?

What's a good replacement HDD. I chose that because it was highly discounted. I need at least 1TB.

Thanks for the help
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November 9, 2012 12:17:16 AM

Outlander_04 said:
The people you work for are really really stupid .
Your first move should be to get a better job


Of if only it were that easy
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November 9, 2012 12:17:27 AM

majocr1991 said:
Thank you, that was extremely helpful, just not to me. No offense, I know this is great advice, but I use this computer for work (partially) and I am ONLY allowed to use intel chips (Trust me, if I had the option, I would build nearly exactly what you suggested). Thank you anyway


The people you work for are really really stupid .
Your first move should be to get a better job
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November 9, 2012 12:18:20 AM

Thomas Creel said:
Oh well, if you can take anything from my board onto your Intel build it is the case, optical drive,hard drive, power supply, operating system, sound card, and memory.

All you have to do is use the i3-3225 and pick any LGA 1155 motherboard you want, I suggest ( ASRock Z77 Pro3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($102.55 @ Newegg) )



I've heard horror stories about ASRock mobos, is it really worth the hassle?
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November 9, 2012 12:28:29 AM

Since you aren't getting an over-clockable chip then I suggest H77 instead of Z77, and its cheaper.

Why are you buying a GPU if you don't game? Intel HD 4000 can play any movie you throw at it and simple games. I'm not sure about 2d cad though.

Don't waste money on a sound card.

Get a blue not green HDD. Much faster and quiet too.

430w PSU is OK, but it probably can't run fast GPUs that cost more than $200. Point is, if you want higher graphics then 500w is safer.
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November 9, 2012 12:28:29 AM

majocr1991 said:
I've heard horror stories about ASRock mobos, is it really worth the hassle?



If this is going to be your computer , in your house, how would anyone else know what hardware was inside it?
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November 9, 2012 12:30:01 AM

That's surprising, ASRock is by far one of the best companies with support, they frequent Newegg like hounds answering all negative feedback about their products.

They are essentially ASUS with much better support, but smaller company.
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November 9, 2012 12:31:14 AM

Thomas Creel said:
Oh well, if you can take anything from my board onto your Intel build it is the case, optical drive,hard drive, power supply, operating system, sound card, and memory.

All you have to do is use the i3-3225 and pick any LGA 1155 motherboard you want, I suggest ( ASRock Z77 Pro3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($102.55 @ Newegg) )


The entire point of a Z77 motherboard is to overclock, and seeing as he can't overclock with an i3 processor, that's 50 bucks down the drain... Do you know what you're even talking about?

Here's a motherboard with most of the features of the Z77, is more business oriented (as in, has enterprise features instead of overclocking features), and is only 55 dollars.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B008KW62WK/?tag=pcpapi-20
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November 9, 2012 12:34:27 AM

envy14tpe said:
Since you aren't getting an over-clockable chip then I suggest H77 instead of Z77, and its cheaper.

Why are you buying a GPU if you don't game? Intel HD 4000 can play any movie you throw at it and simple games. I'm not sure about 2d cad though.

Don't waste money on a sound card.

Get a blue not green HDD. Much faster and quiet too.

430w PSU is OK, but it probably can't run fast GPUs that cost more than $200. Point is, if you want higher graphics then 500w is safer.


I'm pretty sure he won't be gaming at work, so he won't need a 500W power supply. Either way, a 430W power supply could run anything just about up to a GTX 560, so that'd be a waste of money
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November 9, 2012 12:35:22 AM

Outlander_04 said:
The people you work for are really really stupid .
Your first move should be to get a better job

+1. :lol: 

@topic - There's no point at all on getting a z77 board for an i3 and your system usage. Listen to sonicers - get either a B75 or H77.

I don't know where you heard these "horror" stories about ASRock; I'm assuming it's from your work too?(yay more work jokes :lol:  ).

In all seriousness, ASRock has mostly the best bang for buck boards in terms of features. They have fairly decent quality and efficiency, and it's also worth mentioning they are the world's 3rd top motherboard manufacturer just behind ASUS and Gigabyte.
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November 9, 2012 12:36:14 AM

sonicers said:
The entire point of a Z77 motherboard is to overclock, and seeing as he can't overclock with an i3 processor, that's 50 bucks down the drain...

Here's a motherboard with most of the features of the Z77, is more business oriented, and is only 55 dollars.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B008KW62WK/?tag=pcpapi-20


That's a great alternative for the present, but I may move up to a 2500K later on, and I'm sure as hell going to OC the *** out of that. Also, that mobo, as reasonably priced as it is, leaves little room for expansion in the GPU area. Do you know of any similar to that one that have PCI Express 2.0? preferably 2+ of them.

Thank you
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November 9, 2012 12:36:42 AM

majocr1991 said:
Excellent. If I do get the i3 3220, should I still get the 6450, or is it a luxury (albeit a reasonably priced luxury)? Also, for the 6450, I'm assuming you're talking about the MSI ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... ) right? Is the MIR worth it, what if it breaks?

What's a good replacement HDD. I chose that because it was highly discounted. I need at least 1TB.

Thanks for the help


The i3 3220 + 6450 is $5 more than an i3 3225. The first, I'd say, is a better deal, although the difference isn't that big unless you're gaming.
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November 9, 2012 12:38:19 AM

majocr1991 said:
That's a great alternative for the present, but I may move up to a 2500K later on, and I'm sure as hell going to OC the *** out of that. Also, that mobo, as reasonably priced as it is, leaves little room for expansion in the GPU area. Do you know of any similar to that one that have PCI Express 2.0? preferably 2+ of them.

Thank you


If you want to overclock, this motherboard is more reasonable priced. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

It has much of the same features, and you'll save 20 bucks.
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November 9, 2012 12:42:03 AM

sonicers said:
I'm pretty sure he won't be gaming at work, so he won't need a 500W power supply. Either way, a 430W power supply could run anything just about up to a GTX 560, so that'd be a waste of money


@envy - when I do buy "real" graphics cards I'll be moving to at least an i5, and I'll be buying a new power supply anyway. What about HD2500, will that handle a 21" 1080p monitor with some CPU intensive programs running in the background?

I wasn't planning on buying a sound card, I have cheap speakers anyway so it wouldn't matter. What about a Caviar black HDD?

Does H77 take advantage of integrated graphics?


@sonicers - I should clarify, this PC is at home, and my company is reimbursing me for some of it if I use intel. Technically I could use AMD, but I'd rather stick with Intel for reliability; I'll be using it for school as well.
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November 9, 2012 12:43:10 AM

As mentioned before, get a different motherboard (youve got lots of good choices from others)
Dont bother with a sound card.
Dont get a green drive, they are noticeably slower. I would stick with Western Digital Blue or Black.

Last, I would get an HD 6670 at the minimum. Any less and it is hard to justify the cost for little performance increase over intel integrated graphics.

Whatever money is leftover put towards the CPU. The rest of your build looks great! I'd stick with the rest of the parts you have already picked out.
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November 9, 2012 12:45:50 AM

I always use a dedicated sound card. In my opinion is always better than any integrated sound "option". With that said, it is important to understand that a good sound card alone can't provide good sound. They need to be paired with an equally good set of speakers.

Sound is immersive whether I'm on a Game, TV, Movie or Music

On board sound cannot compete and no need to lie to the OP.
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November 9, 2012 12:48:15 AM

There aren't any known or big reliability issues with AMD CPUs, as far as I know.

Caviar Black and Blue are basically the same thing with the Black beign slightly faster that you won't even notice, and it has a 5-year warranty. The extra cost is mostly 'cause of the latter, so it's your call.

IGP is on the CPU.
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November 9, 2012 12:59:39 AM

Thank you everyone for the help. As it stands (card in hand, about to purchase), my current order is:

CPU: i3 3220 Ivy Bridge CPU
MOBO: ASRock H77 Pro4 ATX
OD: ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM
Case: Rosewill CHALLENGER Black Gaming ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
HDD: Western Digital WD Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s
Wireless: TP-LINK TL-WN722N USB 2.0 High Gain Wireless Adapter
GPU: ASUS EAH6670/DIS/1GD5 Radeon HD 6670
PS: OCZ Fatal1ty 550W Modular Gaming Power Supply *******!!!
RAM: G.Skill Ripjaws 8GB Dual Channel DDR3 1600
OS: Windows 7 Home Prem 64bit

Other:
Malwarebytes lifetime, keyboard, mouse, HDMI cable. I already have monitor and speakers


*** The power supply says compatible with sandybridge, I assume it's not going to be a problem with Ivybridge, I mean it has LESS power consumption, and hey, it's just power, no data. Or am I completely wrong and this PS is going to blow up my house?
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November 9, 2012 1:00:42 AM

@mjorcr1991. I have a i5 2500k and the hd2500 are fine for videos. I run a 1080p 23" monitor, and I have tried the Intel graphics, but now I always use my dedicated GPU. As long as you don't use graphic intensive programs you'll be fine.

I recommend ASRock. Price is great and I'm very happy with performance and optiond that I've gotten out of mine.

I'd get a black instead of a blue if budget permits.Also the black has a 5 year warranty. My blue has 2 or 3 years.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but h77 is same as z77 except can't overclock.

Can you explain more about what things you want to do with your graphics?
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November 9, 2012 1:01:43 AM

your fine, dc power is dc power (:
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November 9, 2012 1:03:29 AM

Build looks good. Sorry about my slow post. I'm typing on a tablet.
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November 9, 2012 1:05:38 AM

envy14tpe said:
@mjorcr1991. I have a i5 2500k and the hd2500 are fine for videos. I run a 1080p 23" monitor, and I have tried the Intel graphics, but now I always use my dedicated GPU. As long as you don't use graphic intensive programs you'll be fine.

I recommend ASRock. Price is great and I'm very happy with performance and optiond that I've gotten out of mine.

I'd get a black instead of a blue if budget permits.Also the black has a 5 year warranty. My blue has 2 or 3 years.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but h77 is same as z77 except can't overclock.

Can you explain more about what things you want to do with your graphics?


Thank you, that's all very reassuring, I get worried when I spend a lot of money :cry: 

For now I just need to do simple CAD (no 3D), just editing DXF/DWG files. I have plenty of 1080p movies (especially LotR, which I have, as of yet, only enjoyed on a 14" 720p screen) and I do occasional photo editing.

The DXF editing isn't so much graphic intensive as it is RAM intensive, because the files can get very large, even if the drawing looks simple (artifacts from older revisions left there, pain in my ass)
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November 9, 2012 2:01:27 AM

@envy14type - depends on the z77. On ASRock boards, anything below the Extreme3 can't Crossfire.

@majocr1991 - by any chance, are you from Australia?
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November 9, 2012 2:16:29 AM

excella1221 said:
@envy14type - depends on the z77. On ASRock boards, anything below the Extreme3 can't Crossfire.

@majocr1991 - by any chance, are you from Australia?



No, US, but don't hold it against me :sol: 
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November 9, 2012 2:45:53 AM

Modular isn't exactly a necessity unless you have little to no cable management skills or the casing simply isn't cut out for it.

It's also hard to find a modular PSU that doesn't suck reliability and efficiency-wise and would fit in his budget.

There's this,
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

But lol, trio 12v rails and I have no idea how exactly they sum up since what really matters is their total amperage amount.
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November 9, 2012 3:22:09 AM

excella1221 said:
Modular isn't exactly a necessity unless you have little to no cable management skills or the casing simply isn't cut out for it.

It's also hard to find a modular PSU that doesn't suck reliability and efficiency-wise and would fit in his budget.

There's this,
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

But lol, trio 12v rails and I have no idea how exactly they sum up since what really matters is their total amperage amount.


Thank you, but I already placed the order. Can't wait to get it running!
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November 9, 2012 3:36:32 AM

Ah, alright then. Happy building!
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