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November 9, 2012 3:41:04 PM

I have traditionally built my own computers because when it came right down to it I could always save money that way. It seems that now this is even more the case. I have studied this out quite a bit looking at others builds, reviews, etc. I plan to build a computer for my children that I am going to use personally until February when I will build my own, which of course will be much grander! :heink: 

This primary functions of this computer will be gaming (SWTOR specifically, for now anyway), and youtube (anything except a tablet is overkill for the 2nd function lol, the price of an autistic son).

Budget is whatever I can get my wife to let me spend. She would like it under $600 :sarcastic:  (you will notice I am around $750 :lol:  ). System as priced by NewEgg, but I will buy anywhere reliable. Ideally I would like to be under $700 and will probably cut out a bit of the fluff to get there. I also have an external HD I will use for now. Eventually I will add a bluray player, internal with front painted orange probably :whistle:  ).

Case: Cougar Volant $54.99
Fan Controller: NZXT Sentry 2 $24.99
MOBO: ASRock H77 Pro4/MVP $79.99
GPU: Zotac GTX 650 1MB $99.99
Memory: G.Skill Ares 8MB 2x4GB DDR3 2133 $49.99
Card Reader: Xigmatek Internal 75 in 1 $7.99
HD: Momentus Hybrid Seagate 7200 RPM Sata 3 320GB $79.99
OS: Windows Home 64 Bit OEM $99.99
Cooler: Cooler Hyper 212 Plus $29.99
Fans: Cougar Turbin 120mm x 4 $29.99
PSU: Courgar A-Series 560W Bronze $64.99
CPU i3 3220 3.3GHz $129.99
TC: Artic Silver 5 $9.99

$756,87

I want to keep the fan controller, & upgraded fans. I plan to stay with an orange them with possible (will be purchasing spray can of range paint :bounce:  ). I will add orange LED's to the fans, and some kind of funky home made LED lighting which will rock! (yes I am in the mood to play geek lighting expert). And Obviously I am trying put some bucks in a good cooling system. I want the system to be negative pressure & GPU to vent out the back.

Oh yea, plan to purchase black friday.

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November 9, 2012 3:46:34 PM

With needing an OS and moitor 750 is a good price range.

Also this may save money.
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/ite...

At you pricing the cpu 130+ the gpu 100+ ram 50= 280 dvd drive 20 = 300. If you were to use the mobo(it may not be a $80 mobo) it would put it at 380. this would allow you to have a case and a psu(if you need orange) to sell/reuse on your new computer.
November 9, 2012 3:58:59 PM

I will have to look at the bare bones more when I get home it appears it may be a good match.
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November 9, 2012 4:06:39 PM

It looks pretty solid, although i'm not caught up with every brand so i'm not sure if Courgar is a good PSU brand or not? I know a good, clean reliable PSU is needed for anything.
November 9, 2012 4:13:36 PM

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Also this may save money.
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applica [...] u=B69-1464


Absolutely NOT. The problem with those Tiger Direct pre built kits is the garbage cases and power supplies they include. You'll wind up replacing those and that's never a good idea. Ultra power supplies are among the industry's absolute worst, and H61 will severely limit expansion options. Again, do not purchase this.

I'm not going to say that is a solid build - there's a lot of money that's being spent needlessly (thermal compound, fans, fan controllers, card reader, etc) and H77 motherboards can't overclock - neither can low end i3s and i5s, so that Hyper 212 will be going to waste. Also the hybrid drive is a waste of money on a desktop build as there's no noticeable performance gain from a regular mechanical drive. I also question the reliability of Cougar cases and power supplies. The GTX 650 is also not a good GPU.

I think I would actually trash that whole build and go with something like this:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3470 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock H77 Pro4/MVP ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($87.55 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($37.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($88.98 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card ($200.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 300R ATX Mid Tower Case ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Enthusiast 650W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $768.46
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-11-09 13:13 EST-0500)

That's a better use of $750.
November 9, 2012 4:21:14 PM

im pretty much going to throw all the components out since you can do better

-used i3 2120 as it is 20 bucks cheaper and only 5% slower
-used a h77m motherboard instead. you cant expand much with h77 or with the power supply
-cheaper ram. a lot cheaper
-cpu cooler is useless really since you cant overclock and the stock heatsink is good enough for the low power usage of the i3
-better video cards out there
-no need for extra fans since you arent cooling much and that stock fans are good enough
-no need for thermal paste. heatsink has some applied. also, you arent overclocking so there is really no point. not to mention arctic silver 5 isnt that great
-i am suggesting not using a fan controller as there is fan control from the motherboard and that the fans in this case i chose are pretty much silent
-note that negative pressure means a dust storm in your rig
-better case if you ask me. has usb3 for 40 bucks
-better power supplies

here ya go.expect double the performance of the rig that you put out
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/n3Ys
November 9, 2012 4:23:26 PM

oh and you can defintly fit better hardware such as a 7870 or a i5 instead of using the i3 and the 7850. your call
November 9, 2012 4:29:54 PM

TheBigTroll said:
oh and you can defintly fit better hardware such as a 7870 or a i5 instead of using the i3 and the 7850. your call


I'd rather go i5 / 7850 - it's easier to replace a video card than it is a CPU.
November 9, 2012 4:39:09 PM

I need the card reader. Also I need a build that includes an OS. The fans and fan controllers, well that is simply nothing more than play lol, but I would like a little 'mad money' built in (about $100).
November 9, 2012 4:46:03 PM

solowookie said:
I need the card reader. Also I need a build that includes an OS. The fans and fan controllers, well that is simply nothing more than play lol, but I would like a little 'mad money' built in (about $100).


Yeah but that card reader is junk and 3.5" drives are difficult to install in most cases. You can get a cheapo external USB card reader and then avoid that hassle.

The extra fans are still a waste of money since you're using a CPU that can't be overclocked. Use the money for the hardware, you can always get the accessories and other junk later on.
November 9, 2012 4:57:49 PM

Wookie,

My thoughts:

1. A man's computer is his castle (or something like that). I know of few orange computer's with orange LED's ... but like I said ... It's your castle!
2. The big troll has a solid build, it's cheaper than your original build, and has better performance (what's not to like?)
3. I guess you have to weigh fan controller and fans VS your desire to pay for them
4. My only change to the troll's build - I'd put in a ASRock z75 mobo ($10 more) minimum investment for maximum potential
5. Then I'd be nice to my wife (always am) and tell here the 3570K and a HD 7870 will be the best computer in the world !! :) 


Good Luck!

Oh, then I'd ask her if she'd lost weight as I threw an SSD into the cart :0) !!!
November 9, 2012 5:03:03 PM

g-unit1111 said:
Quote:
Also this may save money.
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applica [...] u=B69-1464


Absolutely NOT. The problem with those Tiger Direct pre built kits is the garbage cases and power supplies they include. You'll wind up replacing those and that's never a good idea. Ultra power supplies are among the industry's absolute worst, and H61 will severely limit expansion options. Again, do not purchase this.

I'm not going to say that is a solid build - there's a lot of money that's being spent needlessly (thermal compound, fans, fan controllers, card reader, etc) and H77 motherboards can't overclock - neither can low end i3s and i5s, so that Hyper 212 will be going to waste. Also the hybrid drive is a waste of money on a desktop build as there's no noticeable performance gain from a regular mechanical drive. I also question the reliability of Cougar cases and power supplies. The GTX 650 is also not a good GPU.

I think I would actually trash that whole build and go with something like this:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3470 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock H77 Pro4/MVP ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($87.55 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($37.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($88.98 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card ($200.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 300R ATX Mid Tower Case ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Enthusiast 650W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $768.46
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-11-09 13:13 EST-0500)

That's a better use of $750.


I agree that that is a better use of $750 but he needs an OS a monitor ect.

I missread the psu I saw the 80% efficiency as 80+ cert my apologies and thanks for the catch. The build is a $550 build more or less not $750 when you include the monitor ect. and with the fans and controller he wants its really a $500 build. $500 has some room but not a lot so I suggested a kit.
November 9, 2012 5:22:52 PM

jackspeed said:
I agree that that is a better use of $750 but he needs an OS a monitor ect.

I missread the psu I saw the 80% efficiency as 80+ cert my apologies and thanks for the catch. The build is a $550 build more or less not $750 when you include the monitor ect. and with the fans and controller he wants its really a $500 build. $500 has some room but not a lot so I suggested a kit.


There's way better uses of $500 than that though - as I said Ultra power supplies are complete garbage. You really got to watch for junk power supplies which is why I don't recommend getting those kits.

If you want to get something that's $500 that has some expandability options I would suggest this:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD A10-5800K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor ($124.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock FM2A75 Pro4 ATX FM2 Motherboard ($86.97 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($37.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($88.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Arc Midi Tower ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 600W ATX12V Power Supply ($69.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $521.89
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-11-09 14:22 EST-0500)
November 9, 2012 5:40:35 PM

Jack I origionally had a monitor in this, but realized I did not have a CPU lol. I replaced the monitor w/ the CPU. I have a monitor but it is attached to a wall mount and I do not have the base. I have to decide where to put the money.

Some great builds and good suggestions for the money. Let me 'digest' the suggestions... I'll post a follow up before long.
November 9, 2012 5:49:52 PM

Ok so when I posted you didn't have a cpu I wasn't blind? I was scared there for a second.
November 9, 2012 7:27:38 PM

Alright how about this build? 2120 vs 3220 cost $5 so I went ahead & kept the 3220. $4 more for orange memory... :)  I need to compare the 2 & see which is actually better.

I kept the origional GPU, but I believe with a cap of $750 I could actually work the 7850 in. I presume this would be the best place to spend the extra money. (GTX 660 63% of the performance of the 7850).

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/n50T GTX 650
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/n5hT GTX 650 ti better card for not much money

The AMD A10-5800k looked very interesting. However I think the Intel looks like a 'safer' build.

Thoughts?
November 9, 2012 7:50:17 PM

solowookie said:
Alright how about this build? 2120 vs 3220 cost $5 so I went ahead & kept the 3220. $4 more for orange memory... :)  I need to compare the 2 & see which is actually better.

I kept the origional GPU, but I believe with a cap of $750 I could actually work the 7850 in. I presume this would be the best place to spend the extra money. (GTX 660 63% of the performance of the 7850).

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/n50T

The AMD A10-5800k looked very interesting. However I think the Intel looks like a 'safer' build.

Thoughts?


As long as you build it correctly the AMD build will be "safe" as well. It's just a matter of selecting the right parts.

The 650 is still not a good GPU. For the price go with a Radeon 7750 or Radeon 7770 instead - those are far better.
November 9, 2012 9:50:29 PM

I did some build / $$$ comparisons and the AMD is looking appealing actually. The processor is $5 less and no GPU required. Not to mention the little kid in me could play w/ the overclocking.
November 9, 2012 9:50:51 PM

jackspeed said:
well it is more expensive but the 7770 is a better card, the same after rebate

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

and how can you not get this case? I mean I know its more expensive...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

toms hardware best gpu for the money about the 7750
"The GeForce GTX 650 delivers comparable performance"


I like the interior of the case but personally I like the exterior to look a little bit more conservative than that - but that's just me.
November 10, 2012 12:15:03 AM

well the performance drop from my 7850 vs the intergrated GPU from the a10 is like 3x less performance
November 17, 2012 2:14:01 AM

I am currently using a Core 2 Duo laptop, but I don't ever travel anymore. This will be major upgrade for me. If black friday prices drop enough I will the intel direction there are been good suggestions above.
November 21, 2012 12:35:31 AM

Alright peeps I will buy this on Friday. I got a bit more than I was expecting so the following build is in the link below. A few comments first;

I may change cases - this case is cheap, I may change it to something else. It is CHEAP, 2 fans, cable management, and BLACK!

2nd - I have debated the GTX 650 Ti vs. 7850 quite a bit. Unless I find one on a better sale on Friday I will stick with the GTX. I don't want to spend more than $150 on the video card.

Oh- and the memory is free with the motherboard. Cheap, good case options would be appreciated! :bounce: 

Thanks

Sorry had to edit & add the link :ouch: 

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/oyWj

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November 21, 2012 12:51:46 AM
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anything xigmatek is not good

also, a h77m + patriot viper 3 ram is still cheaper than a extreme3 with free ram

650ti is like a gtx 560ti. the 7850 is more like a 560ti 448 core

better and cheaper power supplies out there

now its much better
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/oz9I
November 21, 2012 12:54:38 AM

Just the tweaks I need... I will look for deals again along the same lines on Friday. Good avice I appreciate it.
December 1, 2012 4:55:27 AM

I ended up with the Z77 Extreme4 MOBO - I got it for $83 and figured I would be an idiot to pass it up. I also bought the Gibabyte 1MB 7850 OC version for the video card.
December 10, 2012 11:09:19 PM

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