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November 10, 2012 5:02:18 AM

Hello i'm trying to decide on what computer build i should go with i built these two computers on amazon but i'm not exactly sure what's good. What i'm looking for is a quite PC and low temperature's while gaming and being idle. Also i really need help with the fans on both builds i just don't know what case fan's would be good for both my build's. Here's computer #1 please tell me what i should replace.

Computer#1 http://www.amazon.com/wishlist/14AMO0754ARU9/ref=cm_wl_...

Computer#2 http://www.amazon.com/wishlist/2J5YOCCKKWVNF/ref=cm_wl_...

Approximate Purchase Date: Christmas

Budget Range: 1500-1800

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming

Are you buying a monitor: Mabye



Parts to Upgrade:

Do you need to buy OS: No


Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Newegg and Amazon

Location: Northridge, California/, United States

Parts Preferences: by brand or type Upgrading to a Intel CPU

Overclocking: Maybe

SLI or Crossfire: Not sure

Your Monitor Resolution: 1600x1200

Additional Comments: I want a quite PC just ment for gaming

And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading: I have an old PC And really want a new one

More about : deciding parts

November 10, 2012 5:19:15 AM

Well at least the parts in your second build are all compatible with each other, there are some issues with the first one. ;) 

It would help to know what you're planning on using the system for, how much or if you want to overclock, if you plan to SLI in the future, etc. Just based on your build though, here's a revision:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($169.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($134.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Green 3TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ($129.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 830 Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($89.88 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card ($349.99 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Phantom 410 (Gunmetal/Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 520W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1136.79
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-11-10 02:15 EST-0500)


The Hyper212 EVO and the stock fans in the Phantom 410 should be sufficient for a moderate overclock. If you want to really push the limits on your CPU, you could step up the cooler to a Noctua NH-D14 or just go for watercooling.

If you have no preference between Nvidia and AMD, a Radeon 7970 would give you slightly better performance for about the same price as the 670. If you're an nvidia fan, there's no need to change.

16GB of RAM is more than you will need for gaming, but could be useful if you're into video editing type work or if you're just wanting to future proof so you don't have to upgrade later. It's dirt cheap right now.

An 850W PSU is overkill unless you want to run multiple video cards in the future. I switched it for a more reasonable but still high quality 520W modular unit under the assumption that you would only be using the one GPU.
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November 10, 2012 5:23:20 AM

Well I see you just updated your original post with more info. :p 

The build I posted should suit you just fine. I'd use the extra money in the budget to buy yourself some really nice peripherals. Maybe a nice big 27" or larger monitor, mechanical keyboard, gaming mouse, speakers, headphones, etc. Could also bump up the SSD to a 256GB to give yourself extra space for installing more games simultaneously.
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November 10, 2012 5:25:42 AM

You are way overspending on several components.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/n8Yd

CPU Intel i5-3570K http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80637i53570k
CPU Cooler Xigmatek GAIA SD1283 http://pcpartpicker.com/part/xigmatek-cpu-cooler-gaiasd...
Motherboard ASRock Z77 Extreme4 http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asrock-motherboard-z77extr...
Memory Crucial Ballistix sport 2x4GB DDR3-1600 http://pcpartpicker.com/part/crucial-memory-bls2kit4g3d...
Storage Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB http://pcpartpicker.com/part/western-digital-internal-h...
Samsung 830128GB SSD http://pcpartpicker.com/part/samsung-internal-hard-driv...
Video Card ZOTAC AMP! ZT-60302-10P GeForce GTX 670 2GB http://pcpartpicker.com/part/zotac-video-card-zt6030210...
Case Cooler Master HAF 912 http://pcpartpicker.com/part/cooler-master-case-rc912kk...
Power Supply Antec Basiq Plus 550W 80 PLUS http://pcpartpicker.com/part/antec-power-supply-bp550pl...
Optical Drive Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-optical-drive-drw24b1...

Total: $1175.68

i5-3570K is the best overclocking CPU for gaming from Intel that's worth buying. Spending more on a CPU will not net much performance increase in gaming no mater how much you spend.

This cooler has a combo deal that makes it almost free and it's one of the better coolers (comparable to the more expensive CM 212 Evo).

This motherboard is easily the best bang for your buck motherboard. There's not much reason to spend more on a motherboard.

There is literally no advantage to buying more than 8GB of memory for a computer that does nothing more intensive than gaming unless you're doing some ridiculous multi-tasking.

Unless you're going to store hundreds of GB of movies/TV/music on your hard drive, I see little reason to go more than 500GB, let alone more than this 1TB hard drive. CAviar Black is among the fastest and most reliable hard drives that you can get for ocnsumer computers and this one is a bargain for its on-sale price.

Samsung 830 SSDs are among the fastest, most reliable, and they use less power than all other SSDs except for the new Samsung 840 and 840 Pro series. This model is on sale and would make a great SSD boot drive.
This GTX 670 is the fastest GTX 670 of them all despite beign one of the cheaper models.

The Cooler Master HAF 912 case is one of the best cases available for well under $80.

This power supply is more than enough wattage/+12V amperage, fairly efficient, and even better, it's modular. If you want something better, then perhaps a more expensive and more efficient model would be better, but that's your call.

I really just went with the cheapest optical disk around last I checked because I don't know of any advantage to buying a more expensive model unless you want Blu-Ray support.
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November 10, 2012 5:37:19 AM

blazorthon said:
You are way overspending on several components.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/n8Yd

CPU Intel i5-3570K http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80637i53570k
CPU Cooler Xigmatek GAIA SD1283 http://pcpartpicker.com/part/xigmatek-cpu-cooler-gaiasd...
Motherboard ASRock Z77 Extreme4 http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asrock-motherboard-z77extr...
Memory Crucial Ballistix sport 2x4GB DDR3-1600 http://pcpartpicker.com/part/crucial-memory-bls2kit4g3d...
Storage Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB http://pcpartpicker.com/part/western-digital-internal-h...
Samsung 830128GB SSD http://pcpartpicker.com/part/samsung-internal-hard-driv...
Video Card ZOTAC AMP! ZT-60302-10P GeForce GTX 670 2GB http://pcpartpicker.com/part/zotac-video-card-zt6030210...
Case Cooler Master HAF 912 http://pcpartpicker.com/part/cooler-master-case-rc912kk...
Power Supply Antec Basiq Plus 550W 80 PLUS http://pcpartpicker.com/part/antec-power-supply-bp550pl...
Optical Drive Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-optical-drive-drw24b1...

Total: $1175.68

i5-3570K is the best overclocking CPU for gaming from Intel that's worth buying. Spending more on a CPU will not net much performance increase in gaming no mater how much you spend.

This cooler has a combo deal that makes it almost free and it's one of the better coolers (comparable to the more expensive CM 212 Evo).

This motherboard is easily the best bang for your buck motherboard. There's not much reason to spend more on a motherboard.

There is literally no advantage to buying more than 8GB of memory for a computer that does nothing more intensive than gaming unless you're doing some ridiculous multi-tasking.

Unless oyu're going to store hundreds of GB of movies/TV/music on your hard drive, I see little reason to go more than 500GB, let alone more than this 1TB hard drive. CAviar Black is among the fastest and most reliable hard drives that you can get for ocnsumer computers and this one is a bargain for its on-sale price.

Samsung 830 SSDs are among the fastest, most reliable, and they use less power than all other SSDs except for the new Samsung 840 and 840 Pro series. This model is on sale and would make a great SSD boot drive.
This GTX 670 is the fastest GTX 670 of them all despite beign one of the cheaper models.

The Cooler Master HAF 912 case is one of the best cases available for well under $80.

This power supply is more than enough wattage/+12V amperage, fairly efficient, and even better, it's modular. If you want something better, then perhaps a more expensive but more efficient model would be better, but that's your call.

I really just went with the cheapest optical disk around last I checked because I don't know of any advantage to buying a more expensive model unless you want Blu-Ray support.

Agreed. I think the HAF 912 is really under rated. it's really a fantastic case, it's just they cheaped out on the things that don't matter if you cheap out on. I.E. not painting the case interior, etc etc. only beef with the 912 s no front usb 3.0, but tbh I've never never usd anything that's required usb 3.0.
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November 10, 2012 5:41:44 AM

GreedFusion said:
Agreed. I think the HAF 912 is really under rated. it's really a fantastic case, it's just they cheaped out on the things that don't matter if you cheap out on. I.E. not painting the case interior, etc etc. only beef with the 912 s no front usb 3.0, but tbh I've never never usd anything that's required usb 3.0.


Yeah, I don't use USB 3.0 either. It'd be as easy as getting an external 3.5" slot USB 3.0 adapter for like $10 to get it anyway should it be wanted, so there's really not much incentive to get a much more expensive case even if we did want USB 3.0 connectivity in the front of the case.
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November 10, 2012 2:03:05 PM

blazorthon said:
You are way overspending on several components.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/n8Yd

CPU Intel i5-3570K http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80637i53570k
CPU Cooler Xigmatek GAIA SD1283 http://pcpartpicker.com/part/xigmatek-cpu-cooler-gaiasd...
Motherboard ASRock Z77 Extreme4 http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asrock-motherboard-z77extr...
Memory Crucial Ballistix sport 2x4GB DDR3-1600 http://pcpartpicker.com/part/crucial-memory-bls2kit4g3d...
Storage Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB http://pcpartpicker.com/part/western-digital-internal-h...
Samsung 830128GB SSD http://pcpartpicker.com/part/samsung-internal-hard-driv...
Video Card ZOTAC AMP! ZT-60302-10P GeForce GTX 670 2GB http://pcpartpicker.com/part/zotac-video-card-zt6030210...
Case Cooler Master HAF 912 http://pcpartpicker.com/part/cooler-master-case-rc912kk...
Power Supply Antec Basiq Plus 550W 80 PLUS http://pcpartpicker.com/part/antec-power-supply-bp550pl...
Optical Drive Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-optical-drive-drw24b1...

Total: $1175.68

i5-3570K is the best overclocking CPU for gaming from Intel that's worth buying. Spending more on a CPU will not net much performance increase in gaming no mater how much you spend.

This cooler has a combo deal that makes it almost free and it's one of the better coolers (comparable to the more expensive CM 212 Evo).

This motherboard is easily the best bang for your buck motherboard. There's not much reason to spend more on a motherboard.

There is literally no advantage to buying more than 8GB of memory for a computer that does nothing more intensive than gaming unless you're doing some ridiculous multi-tasking.

Unless you're going to store hundreds of GB of movies/TV/music on your hard drive, I see little reason to go more than 500GB, let alone more than this 1TB hard drive. CAviar Black is among the fastest and most reliable hard drives that you can get for ocnsumer computers and this one is a bargain for its on-sale price.

Samsung 830 SSDs are among the fastest, most reliable, and they use less power than all other SSDs except for the new Samsung 840 and 840 Pro series. This model is on sale and would make a great SSD boot drive.
This GTX 670 is the fastest GTX 670 of them all despite beign one of the cheaper models.

The Cooler Master HAF 912 case is one of the best cases available for well under $80.

This power supply is more than enough wattage/+12V amperage, fairly efficient, and even better, it's modular. If you want something better, then perhaps a more expensive and more efficient model would be better, but that's your call.

I really just went with the cheapest optical disk around last I checked because I don't know of any advantage to buying a more expensive model unless you want Blu-Ray support.



I really like your build you built me but only problem is i would want to replace the stock fan's on the Cpu Cooler and probably all the case fan's. Thanks though
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November 10, 2012 2:03:36 PM

Wy replace all of those fans? What's wrong with the fans that come with the case and cooler?
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November 10, 2012 2:28:08 PM

blazorthon said:
Wy replace all of those fans? What's wrong with the fans that come with the case and cooler?


Because usually the case fan's aren't so great and loud also you didn't add a cpu cooler to your build
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November 10, 2012 2:32:58 PM

Elezent said:
Because usually the case fan's aren't so great and loud also you didn't add a cpu cooler to your build


I'd suggest at least waiting until you get the case to see how loud they really are or then getting a cheaper case and putting your own fans in.

I did add a CPU cooler and it's a pretty decent one for this build. The Xigmatek GAIA SD1283 has been compared to the CM Evo and declared to be slightly better IIRC.
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November 10, 2012 2:39:21 PM

blazorthon said:
I'd suggest at least waiting until you get the case to see how loud they really are or then getting a cheaper case and putting your own fans in.

I did add a CPU cooler and it's a pretty decent one for this build. The Xigmatek GAIA SD1283 has been compared to the CM Evo and declared to be slightly better IIRC.


Instead of the CPU Cooler you suggested i might go with the noctua Nh-D14 it is more money but i'm more comfortable with the noctua's also was thinking of getting the h100 and replacing the stock fans on them with scythe gentle typhoon's tell me what you think.
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November 10, 2012 2:47:48 PM

H100 is not really better than much cheaper high-end air coolers. The only water coolers that beat air are custom loops and that's more work.

The problem with your thinking for the cooler is that you aren't realizing that Ivy doesn't act like most other CPUs with its heat. It doesn't generate much, it simply has trouble getting rid of what little it has. You want a cooler with direct touch heat pipes and that's not the NH-D14. A lower end direct touch cooler would be better than a higher end cooler that lacks direct touch (which is where the heat pipes directly touch the CPU's IHS instead of having a plate/block between them).

If you want a higher end cooler than the Gaia, then how about the Zalman CNPS10X Optima?

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/zalman-cpu-cooler-cnps10xo...

If you want a really high end cooler, than how about the Tuniq Tower Extreme?
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/tuniq-cpu-cooler-crt120exb...
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November 10, 2012 2:55:33 PM

blazorthon said:
H100 is not really better than much cheaper high-end air coolers. The only water coolers that beat air are custom loops and that's more work.

The problem with your thinking for the cooler is that you aren't realizing that Ivy doesn't act like most other CPUs with its heat. It doesn't generate much, it simply has trouble getting rid of what little it has. You want a cooler with direct touch heat pipes and that's not the NH-D14. A lower end direct touch cooler would be better than a higher end cooler that lacks direct touch (which is where the heat pipes directly touch the CPU's IHS instead of having a plate/block between them).

If you want a higher end cooler than the Gaia, then how about the Zalman CNPS10X Optima?

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/zalman-cpu-cooler-cnps10xo...

If you want a really high end cooler, than how about the Tuniq Tower Extreme?
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/tuniq-cpu-cooler-crt120exb...


Okay so here's my build i would add more custom thing's to it but that's it for now http://pcpartpicker.com/p/nb4G
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