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November 7, 2012 11:57:23 AM

I wouldn't like to say future-proof because I know a lot of people hate that term, but if I had this setup would it be good for gaming (and maybe a little editing) and would it last me for a long time? The parts I am hoping to get are:

Motherboard: ASUS P8Z77-V LX
bitly.com/T1U70p

Graphics Card: nVidia GTX 670 DC2
bitly.com/YIZBkR

Processor: Intel i5 2500k
bitly.com/WA1Pov

Sorry about the links, they all lead to the Google Store in case you're wondering :)  . They were just too long to paste in by themselves!

I'll reply back with any more information if you need it!

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November 7, 2012 12:37:56 PM

yes that should be good for a few years. Its not top of the line but its perfectly fine.
November 7, 2012 12:44:21 PM

popatim said:
yes that should be good for a few years. Its not top of the line but its perfectly fine.


By perfectly fine should I be expecting to run BF3 and other graphically intensive on max at 60fps?
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November 7, 2012 12:55:31 PM

Should last 2 to 5 years, you just have to deal with lower settings in games eventually. If you could find another 670 in a couple years then you could just throw it in to make up for the slowness in the future, and not upgrade the rest of the system except maybe the psu. I upgrade about every 2-3 years, I currently have a 2500K and a 680, coming from a E4300 and 9600GT that I upgraded to a 460GTX. BF3 will run fine, esp since you have speccd a 4GB card.
November 7, 2012 1:00:42 PM

It's actually not far off top-of-the-line as far as single GPU setups go - it's not far at all behind the GTX680. Only thing I'd say is that you're not really going to need 4GB graphics memory, a 2GB model would perform the same and could be had for £270.
November 7, 2012 1:15:47 PM

Computer hardware is never a good investment :p 

That's a nice setup though. If you're getting a Z77 board anyway why not go for Ivy?

I'd also check out prices for AMD components, 7950 is a little below 670 but significantly cheaper. The 7970 on the other hard is a little more expensive but significantly more powerful.
November 7, 2012 1:36:20 PM

FinneousPJ said:
Computer hardware is never a good investment :p 

That's a nice setup though. If you're getting a Z77 board anyway why not go for Ivy?

I'd also check out prices for AMD components, 7950 is a little below 670 but significantly cheaper. The 7970 on the other hard is a little more expensive but significantly more powerful.


'Significantly' is debatable. In some games it has a decent enough lead, but in other games the GeForce does. Across the board there's very little difference. Same for Ivy Bridge vs Sandy Bridge, but since there's not really any price difference there, might as well have the newest product and lower your power consumption slightly. Either way is good though.
November 7, 2012 1:41:32 PM

I hear the newest drivers have improved BF3, Borderlands performance so what you're saying may or may not hold. Hard to find reviews.
November 7, 2012 1:51:20 PM

I meant reviews with newest drivers on both sides.
November 9, 2012 8:24:32 AM

Hi guys, thanks for all of the responses! I'm just not sure which one to get first, as I won't be able to get them all at once, I'm a bit low on money. My current specs are:

Processor: AMD FX-6100 6-core at 3.3Ghz
Graphics card: GTX 550-Ti with 1gb Vram

Will try and find out what PSU I have, it should be enough for the GTX 670 though.
Is it worth getting the GTX 670 first? How well would it perform with my current processor?
November 9, 2012 8:26:46 AM

Just another thing, don't know whether this would help. I use a 24" 1920x1080 tv as my monitor.
November 9, 2012 1:42:36 PM

I'd upgrade CPU first, primarily because in the time it takes you to save up some money, the graphics card price is likely to drop more than the CPU price.
November 9, 2012 6:13:04 PM

sam_p_lay said:
I'd upgrade CPU first, primarily because in the time it takes you to save up some money, the graphics card price is likely to drop more than the CPU price.

Awesome, I never really thought of that! Although, I was looking around before and only realised how good the HD 7970 was, and It's a bit cheaper as well from what I can see. Would there be any noticable performance difference? Or is it worth spending the extra on getting a GTX 670?
November 9, 2012 6:16:42 PM

Actually, sorry about the double post, BUT, I would be able to afford either of them, as their prices are not that far apart. And most games I play I'm pretty sure are more GPU intensive than CPU. One thing I'm thinking of is bottle-necking. How bad would it be if I get the GTX 670 or the 7970, or would there be none?
November 9, 2012 6:18:35 PM

Really? That's pretty amazing if the top Radeon is actually cheaper than the second top GeForce, but make sure you're looking on dabs.com, ebuyer.com, scan.co.uk, aria.co.uk and novatech.co.uk for the best price. Novatech and eBuyer do free delivery, Dabs is around £1. You could also use Google product search, but there are some really dodgy companies on there so be careful if you decide to roll the dice on a no-name retailer.

Oh and as for performance, best to wait and see I think - new Catalyst drivers have added a lot of speed, but THG suspect it comes at the cost of image quality. I'm not so sure (AMD has done that before and they wouldn't want to make a name for themselves in that regard) but THG have an article coming up to examine it. Anyway, both cards will be cheaper in a few months of course :-)
November 9, 2012 6:18:53 PM

No bottlenecking - these cards are absolute beasts :-)
November 10, 2012 7:35:53 AM

sam_p_lay said:
Oh and as for performance, best to wait and see I think - new Catalyst drivers have added a lot of speed, but THG suspect it comes at the cost of image quality. I'm not so sure (AMD has done that before and they wouldn't want to make a name for themselves in that regard) but THG have an article coming up to examine it. Anyway, both cards will be cheaper in a few months of course :-)

Citation?
November 10, 2012 8:12:21 AM

This topic has been moved from the section CPU & Components to section Systems by Mousemonkey
November 10, 2012 9:51:39 AM

FinneousPJ said:
Citation?


The 7970 X2 review on the homepage. I'm surprised you haven't brought it up already.
November 14, 2012 8:44:29 PM

Hi again. I think now it's definetly either the GTX 680, 7970 OR the 6950. But I still don't know whether to upgrade GPU or CPU first. Is what I have currently in terms of processor adequate for gaming? (FX-6100)
November 14, 2012 8:51:38 PM

It's not one of the best, but I think it's good enough. Why not a GTX670? 95% as fast as a GTX680 for £100 less!
November 14, 2012 10:15:07 PM

sam_p_lay said:
It's not one of the best, but I think it's good enough. Why not a GTX670? 95% as fast as a GTX680 for £100 less!


I may just do that actually! I'm not really familiar with Radeon and have never owned a graphics card from them, so I guess it's best sticking with what you know, plus the fact this'll be my first ever time I open up my PC!

Also, how long do you think my processor will last then? It's not really important seeing as I'm getting one after my GPU, but I'm just curious.
November 15, 2012 6:09:57 AM

Sounds wise :-) The GTX680 was awesome when it launched, but the GTX670 made it kind of redundant. Often happens with top end cards (nVidia especially I think). When I bought my GeForce 8800 GTX for a little over £300, the 8800 Ultra was over £400, yet barely even 10% faster. Still more difference than the GTX670 vs GTX680 though!

Installing your card should be dead easy - just make sure you open the catch on the PCI-E slot when you remove the other, and of course remember to disconnect monitor and any power cables from the old card first. If you have an antistatic bag, stick your old card in there, then you've got an emergency backup for future. Only potential problem is the screw hole on the mounting bracket lining up with the case screw hole. In my experience though it's fine most times. And when it's not, probably best to brute force it than have the PCI-E slot supporting the full weight of the card. You've probably already researched how to do it anyway!

And as for CPU lasting, hard to say really - obviously these things don't suddenly become obsolete overnight, it's a case of when it's no longer good enough to play what you want at the settings you want. Your processor is still a modern processor so you can get by on it for the time being, but with an i5 you'll get stronger performance all round and the knowledge that your graphics card isn't being held back.
November 15, 2012 5:02:53 PM

sam_p_lay said:
Sounds wise :-) The GTX680 was awesome when it launched, but the GTX670 made it kind of redundant. Often happens with top end cards (nVidia especially I think). When I bought my GeForce 8800 GTX for a little over £300, the 8800 Ultra was over £400, yet barely even 10% faster. Still more difference than the GTX670 vs GTX680 though!

Installing your card should be dead easy - just make sure you open the catch on the PCI-E slot when you remove the other, and of course remember to disconnect monitor and any power cables from the old card first. If you have an antistatic bag, stick your old card in there, then you've got an emergency backup for future. Only potential problem is the screw hole on the mounting bracket lining up with the case screw hole. In my experience though it's fine most times. And when it's not, probably best to brute force it than have the PCI-E slot supporting the full weight of the card. You've probably already researched how to do it anyway!

And as for CPU lasting, hard to say really - obviously these things don't suddenly become obsolete overnight, it's a case of when it's no longer good enough to play what you want at the settings you want. Your processor is still a modern processor so you can get by on it for the time being, but with an i5 you'll get stronger performance all round and the knowledge that your graphics card isn't being held back.


Another thing, seeing as I only want to open up my pc if I really have to (wires, wires everywhere!), I'm not sure about PCI slots. So I don't know if my motherboard will support it or not. Hopefully I'm getting a friend around soon and he knows a lot about this stuff, so to be honest, every other thing I see or do I'll probably just ask him if it's right :D 
November 15, 2012 5:39:11 PM

oPeanutButter said:
Another thing, seeing as I only want to open up my pc if I really have to (wires, wires everywhere!), I'm not sure about PCI slots. So I don't know if my motherboard will support it or not. Hopefully I'm getting a friend around soon and he knows a lot about this stuff, so to be honest, every other thing I see or do I'll probably just ask him if it's right :D 


Haha that sounds wise too. Course you could always look up a picture of a PCI-E slot so you know what you're looking for and then check your motherboard manual to see which slot would be best to use (some are 16x, sometimes a 16x and a 8x, depends on manufacturer... some make a couple of 16x slots but will drop to 8x as more cards are installed etc).

EDIT: Just looked up your mobo and you have three 16x slots, one of which is set at 4x (the black one) and a 1x. So use one of the 16x slots, which on your board are blue. Probably the top one, where your current card will probably be.
November 15, 2012 8:15:05 PM

sam_p_lay said:
Haha that sounds wise too. Course you could always look up a picture of a PCI-E slot so you know what you're looking for and then check your motherboard manual to see which slot would be best to use (some are 16x, sometimes a 16x and a 8x, depends on manufacturer... some make a couple of 16x slots but will drop to 8x as more cards are installed etc).

EDIT: Just looked up your mobo and you have three 16x slots, one of which is set at 4x (the black one) and a 1x. So use one of the 16x slots, which on your board are blue. Probably the top one, where your current card will probably be.

The motherboard I listed and everything else I have linked at the top was what I was originally and most likely now going to get, probably GPU first.
November 15, 2012 8:33:16 PM

oPeanutButter said:
The motherboard I listed and everything else I have linked at the top was what I was originally and most likely now going to get, probably GPU first.


Ah my mistake. Well then just check it out in your manual but you're probably fine sticking it in the top slot which is probably where your current card is. Or let your friend do it and watch for educational purposes!
November 15, 2012 9:21:27 PM

sam_p_lay said:
Ah my mistake. Well then just check it out in your manual but you're probably fine sticking it in the top slot which is probably where your current card is. Or let your friend do it and watch for educational purposes!

Oh yeh, manuals! I'm such an idiot, I don't know why I didn't think of that (probably because you can find most things on the internet (and I'm lazy).)

Talking about motherboards, is the one i'm looking at any good? I'v read up a bit and as far as I can tell it's good.
November 16, 2012 9:01:10 AM

oPeanutButter said:
Oh yeh, manuals! I'm such an idiot, I don't know why I didn't think of that (probably because you can find most things on the internet (and I'm lazy).)

Talking about motherboards, is the one i'm looking at any good? I'v read up a bit and as far as I can tell it's good.


To be honest, motherboards aren't something I give huge consideration to, especially when Z77 is such a full-featured chipset with USB3, SATA3, all that good stuff baked in. I give most thought (obviously) to graphics cards, then CPU and SSD, then PSU. Motherboard is an important consideration though so you should check out how similarly-priced alternatives compare interms of features, and then just use reviews as you've been doing!

Personally, I'd just find the cheapest Z77 board from a company I trust (Asus, Gigabyte, MSI/Microstar) that supports SLI (and at least a 16x and 8x PCI-E with two other slots separating them, so that a pair of dual-slot cards will have at least 1 slot gap between for airflow). But I think you're being smart checking reviews, just incase there are issues. It's not a huge deal, but my board is one of very few boards that doesn't have the option to boot from USB stick. Like I say it's not a massive deal but I was disappointed when I discovered it and reviews may have highlighted it.
November 18, 2012 12:27:36 AM

sam_p_lay said:
To be honest, motherboards aren't something I give huge consideration to, especially when Z77 is such a full-featured chipset with USB3, SATA3, all that good stuff baked in. I give most thought (obviously) to graphics cards, then CPU and SSD, then PSU. Motherboard is an important consideration though so you should check out how similarly-priced alternatives compare interms of features, and then just use reviews as you've been doing!

Personally, I'd just find the cheapest Z77 board from a company I trust (Asus, Gigabyte, MSI/Microstar) that supports SLI (and at least a 16x and 8x PCI-E with two other slots separating them, so that a pair of dual-slot cards will have at least 1 slot gap between for airflow). But I think you're being smart checking reviews, just incase there are issues. It's not a huge deal, but my board is one of very few boards that doesn't have the option to boot from USB stick. Like I say it's not a massive deal but I was disappointed when I discovered it and reviews may have highlighted it.


Is the one I listed here decent then? If not, is there any others that you would recommend around the same price? I'm also thinking about getting an
AverMedia Live Gamer HD to record my gameplay, so I'd need a slot for that as well.
November 18, 2012 10:53:59 AM

Nope, there's only one slot there suitable for a graphics card. You need a board with a PCI-E x16 and a PCI-E x8 or with two PCI-E x16 slots. Both slots will drop to 8x when you add a second card anyway so it doesn't matter which. You need at least two other slots (doesn't matter what they are) separating your graphics card slots.
November 20, 2012 9:10:58 PM

Found my current motherboard!!
gigabyte M68MT-S2! Seeing as I'm getting the AverMedia Live, would a ASUS CU2 GTX 670 fit in there with the avermedia card? Apparently the GTX 670 only takes up two slots. It says put the AverMedia in PCI-e x1, but what's different about that and PCI-e x2? They look exactly the same to me.
November 21, 2012 8:17:14 AM

Not sure mate, only PCI-E cards I've ever used are graphics cards. There's enough lanes/channels though. If you drop from 16 available lanes to 8 for a card, performance impact is minimal (unless the drop has increased with the new cards). Last testing I saw done on it reported 3-5% loss of performance for being on 8 lanes compared to 16. Dropping to 4 lanes was really bad though.
November 21, 2012 4:03:59 PM

sam_p_lay said:
Not sure mate, only PCI-E cards I've ever used are graphics cards. There's enough lanes/channels though. If you drop from 16 available lanes to 8 for a card, performance impact is minimal (unless the drop has increased with the new cards). Last testing I saw done on it reported 3-5% loss of performance for being on 8 lanes compared to 16. Dropping to 4 lanes was really bad though.


I think I get you. Basically, if I really wanted (which I obviously don't) I could put my 670 in a PCI-e x2 or x4 slot?
I'm just wondering if things are "forward compatible" or however the hell you'd say it. So like if I put a PCI-e x1 card (I've seen 3 tutorials on putting it in there) in a PCI-e x2, I'm just wondering if it would just be wasted space in the x2 slot.

I think my mates gonna be coming around real soon, I'll ask him unless anyone else can see this thread and knows!
November 21, 2012 5:01:34 PM

oPeanutButter said:
I think I get you. Basically, if I really wanted (which I obviously don't) I could put my 670 in a PCI-e x2 or x4 slot?
I'm just wondering if things are "forward compatible" or however the hell you'd say it. So like if I put a PCI-e x1 card (I've seen 3 tutorials on putting it in there) in a PCI-e x2, I'm just wondering if it would just be wasted space in the x2 slot.

I think my mates gonna be coming around real soon, I'll ask him unless anyone else can see this thread and knows!


Just found out, I looked at a high-res picture of my Mobo model, and the slot which I thought read PCI-e x2 is actually PCI-e x1_2. Would that just mean a second PCI-e x1 or does it mean x1 2.0?
November 21, 2012 5:46:21 PM

oPeanutButter said:
Just found out, I looked at a high-res picture of my Mobo model, and the slot which I thought read PCI-e x2 is actually PCI-e x1_2. Would that just mean a second PCI-e x1 or does it mean x1 2.0?


Just means it's the second one (or third if they counted from 0 as is often the case in computer stuff). You'll definitely want your card in an x16 slot though. If you then installed a second one in another x16 or an x8 though, that x16 your first card went into would drop to x8 (since only 16 lanes can be supported in total on i5 processors/motherboards).
November 21, 2012 9:53:56 PM

sam_p_lay said:
Just means it's the second one (or third if they counted from 0 as is often the case in computer stuff). You'll definitely want your card in an x16 slot though. If you then installed a second one in another x16 or an x8 though, that x16 your first card went into would drop to x8 (since only 16 lanes can be supported in total on i5 processors/motherboards).

If that's the case, then it's the second x1 then, Awesome, it'll actually fit in with the GPU! By the way, I don't plan on SLI or CrossFire or anything, just one card is enough for me.

ooh, also, heres a picture of my current motherboard because I wanted to ask another question, some cards like the Asus CU2 GTX 670 take up "2 slots", and the 680 version takes up 3, does 1 slot count as the actual PCI slot or would that mean it would take up the space in between the two PCI slots?
basically, looking at the picture of my motherboard, would the 2 slot card take up the x16 slot and overlap the x1 slot? I find it hard to explain really, so if I'm not clear, I'll get back to you ASAP.

the pic: http://www.nix.ru/autocatalog/motherboards_gigabyte/127...
November 21, 2012 10:00:06 PM

Yeah I prefer a single GPU setup too :-) Though I like to have a motherboard and PSU that could handle a second card if I ever change my mind. A dual-slot card will indeed cover up your slot labelled PCIEX1_1 and a triple-slot card would cover PCIEX1_2 also.
November 22, 2012 5:05:31 PM

sam_p_lay said:
Yeah I prefer a single GPU setup too :-) Though I like to have a motherboard and PSU that could handle a second card if I ever change my mind. A dual-slot card will indeed cover up your slot labelled PCIEX1_1 and a triple-slot card would cover PCIEX1_2 also.

Ok then, thinking about a bit ago when I asked about my current processor, how long would that last exactly? I tried playing Planet Side 2 today and it ran at 20fps :fou:  I'm not sure if that's the processor or the graphics card, but I'm guessing processor seeing as there was around 90 people in one area.
November 22, 2012 5:16:13 PM

If not, should I attempt to overclock this with my friend?
November 22, 2012 5:54:24 PM

Couldn't say - not sure whether that's more dependent on GPU or CPU. As for overclocking, if you're planning on an upgrade anyway, there's no harm in trying to squeeze a bit more performance out of it in the meantime. Good luck with it :-)
November 22, 2012 10:02:10 PM

sam_p_lay said:
Couldn't say - not sure whether that's more dependent on GPU or CPU. As for overclocking, if you're planning on an upgrade anyway, there's no harm in trying to squeeze a bit more performance out of it in the meantime. Good luck with it :-)

Well, as long as I can get it to last until July then it's fine.
November 23, 2012 9:42:17 AM

What happens in July? GTX700 series should be out by then, I'mna get one of those :-)
November 25, 2012 8:08:43 PM

sam_p_lay said:
What happens in July? GTX700 series should be out by then, I'mna get one of those :-)

Well, I guess I may as well say now... I'm only 14. Julys my birthday which is when I have to get either Mobo and processor or GPU. Sorry I haven't responded in a couple of days, I've been busy. If say I had the stock heatsink with no water cooling, what core speeds do you think I would be able to reach?
November 25, 2012 8:20:30 PM

Couldn't say - I'm not into overclocking. I'm sure somebody can post some typical results though. It's probably worth holding off on your research until the time comes to actually make the purchase. Often people on here are researching purchases that they won't be making for months, but you have to keep in mind that prices will have changed a lot by July and new stuff will be out.
November 26, 2012 8:25:39 AM

sam_p_lay said:
Couldn't say - I'm not into overclocking. I'm sure somebody can post some typical results though. It's probably worth holding off on your research until the time comes to actually make the purchase. Often people on here are researching purchases that they won't be making for months, but you have to keep in mind that prices will have changed a lot by July and new stuff will be out.

I was thinking that before. Like by the time I come to buy, I'll probably be able to pick up something better that's cheaper, and my processor will probably be something like £40 or discontinued :D 
November 26, 2012 8:31:01 AM

oPeanutButter said:
I was thinking that before. Like by the time I come to buy, I'll probably be able to pick up something better that's cheaper, and my processor will probably be something like £40 or discontinued :D 


Well that might be going a bit far :-) But yeah, no point in deciding so far in advance when things change so frequently!
December 6, 2012 4:21:20 PM

Hi, I know I haven't replied in a while, but I've been busy. It's near time to order, but I think I'm going to need a bigger power supply, I found an 800 watt unused one on eBay for £25, but is there a reason it's so cheap? I really don't wanna get one and then find out it's going to blow up or something :kaola: 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/800-Watt-Black-Storm-PSU-sata...
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