ok i am looking to build my first gaming computer and was wondering which would offer me the best results and would still be upgradeable in the future.
at the moment i will not be getting a graphics card until later but i want a build that will support one that can play all games (bf3-mw3-crysis 2- black ops 2- etc..) i just want something that i can start with and put a couple of simple games on to play while i wait for the gpu
reasons for intel - faster - pci-e 3.0 motherboards - appears to be upgradeable though rather expensive
reasons for amd - cheaper (only reason but that is a major factor in this build)
i would like to go with the cheaper amd but my only worry is that if i went and got an hd 7870 or gtx 650 that they would not work in the pci-e 2.0 motherboards.
can someone please help me find a decent build with this budget?
i need to buy everything but a cd rom - dvd rom - and i have an old 250 gb hd that will last me till i get a better one
i was thinking of going intel the problem is the cost, i found it would actually be cheaper to go get an i5 custom from ibuypower.com for $600 then buy a better graphics card later since i have to get my own os.
but i could get a quad core amd computer for around $500 and then get a graphics card later on. my worry is that their pci-e 2.0 motherboards won't be enough to upgrade later on.
AMD's PCIe 2.0 990FX boards have 32 PCIe 2.0 lanes for graphics cards and that's just as good as 16 PCIe 3.0 lanes for Crossfire/SLI setups. Furthermore, PCIe is backwards compatible... PCIe 3.0 cards will have no trouble in PCIe 2.0 motherboards and it won't even hurt performance noticeably either.
AMD six cores, not quad cores, are what you'd consider as an alternative to Intel quad cores in BF3 MP. BF3 MP is highly-threaded enough to take advantage of six cores very well and that lets AMD's FX-6300 keep up with the Ivy i5s excellently.
Remember that there's only a small amount of games that really uses 4 cores. And multithreads i3 are a viable option, on a small budget, but as blazorthon said, BF3 MP really uses every core you can throw at him. I'd say get an i3 over an AMD quad-core (if your budget is that tight, and know that you'll pay the price in massive multiplayer, as with BF3).
As for 6-core AMD vs Ivybridge, while you may see a difference in future games (and I don't expect much in the coming 2 years), in most games the Ivy will perform better, especially against a Bulldozer. As for Piledriver vs i5-3xxx, difference is in the workload: While AMD will perform a little better in multi-threaded tasks (such as BF3), i5's will use half the power to achieve decent results and will leave AMD in the dust with lightly-threaded tasks
And a word on PCIe 3.0: While It's safe to say that bazorthon's right about that 990FX boards, on a budget, the 990FX chipset is just too high-priced: Go with a H77 chipset from Intel (cheap and solid), and you get sata6, usb3, PCIe3 (well, just like most AMD's chipsets) and a second PCIe slot (2.0) for future Crossfire... though it is unlikely on a budget.
And still with a tight budget in mind, you'll probably buy a GPU around which price? A hundred bucks (like the HD7770, personal favourite) or $500??? Because you won't need an i7 with an old GPU, and won't be able to use all the power of a $500 card with an old Phenom II 965... Assuming you'd spend between $100 and $200, would like a MoBo with many features at a reasonable price, and future compatibility with new technologies, get an i3 or an i5, depending on your budget, and a h77 chipset MoBo. If you find a very good AMD deal, might be worth it, but make sure that you're buying a Piledriver, not a Bulldozer.
that is reusing your HD and optical. the PSU is a bit large for the build but will give you room to upgrade to any graphics card later.
there are other options. you can drop down the cpu to a pentium/i3 and the psu to a CX430 and use the ~$50 cash for a 7870 for less cpu intensive gaming then upgrade to a i5-3570k and 4 more gigs of RAM later. granted the Z75 board isn't as good as a $140 Z77 but you are on a budget . . .
Here's my last build, with pretty much the same budget as you (had to buy hdd, dvd, monitor, etc. too). Keep in mind that those are canadian prices, cheaper on newegg.com than newegg.ca, and shipping is never free on newegg.ca (so I used another Canadian website, but Newegg seems the best in US)
MSI Radeon HD 7770 1GHZ 1GB 4.5GHZ GDDR5 $128.71 (-30MIR)
Corsair Vengeance 2X4GB DDR3-1600 CL9-9-9-24 $39.80
Intel Core i3 3220 Dual Core Hyperthreading Processor LGA1155 3.3GHZ Ivy Bridge 3MB Retail Box $119.79
ASUS P8H77-V LGA1155 H77 DDR3 CrossFireX 2PCI-E16 2PCI-E1 3PCI SATA3 USB3.0 Motherboard $128.41 (-20MIR)
Corsair CX Series CX430 430W ATX 12V 80 Plus Bronze Power Supply 140mm Fan $41.36
Cooler Master CM K350 ATX Mid Tower Case Black Front USB3.0 Audio *No PSU* $44.28 (-15MIR)
Cooler Master R4-L2R-20 120mm Red LED Case Fan 2000RPM $6.33
Cooler Master Turbine Master 120 Mach 1.8 Black 120mm Case Fan 1800RPM $10.06
Total: 453.74 +tx +shipping... and you get to play most games at 1080 with ultra settings, some with lowered details (Haven't tested yet, just using Tom's benchmarks... I'll test this baby next week-end). I don't say that you'll kick everyone's ass during a massive game of BF3, but it should be fun anyway at this price ;-) And you may have some fun overclocking your GPU and tweaking your RAM, and turbo-ing your CPU to 3.5 GHz
Paid around 40 in taxes and 40 in shipping, but again had a monitor and other stuff shipped so...
As you see, some room to upgrade, and even with that small PSU you can upgrade the i3 to an i5 and the hd7770 to a hd7870 (just can't crossfire!) Tried the same build with and AMD processor:
(Asus' m5a97 mobo, OC'd Phenom 965 and required cooling with a CM 212 Evo, and I had to get a 600W PSU, at $80... plus the cooling unit, a HAF 912 case to get extra airflow at the expense of the front USB3 etc... my final AMD built would've cost more than this i3 built! and don't even think about getting an AMD quad-core vs an i3 for BF3)
Edit: Is there enough emphasis on the fact that these are Canadian funds? I'm pretty sure that you'll save over a hundred-fifty bucks compared to the build above... but the choice is yours, it's your budget, and while we would all love to play on i7 hd7970 computers, we're stuck to our budget ;-)
i'm liking these builds, the i5 is the one i like the best.
Yes i'm on a budget but i plan to upgrade later and buy stuff later (every couple of months probably) i'm very good at saving and timing things so that is why i wanted something upgradeable.
the i3 build seems nice but it feels like a wast of money to buy an i3 then have to upgrade to an i5 later. and that 430w psu would be able to hand a decent graphics card but not after some OC's and gives too little space to play it safe and not short out or fry the system.
i can get all the parts next week, except the graphics card which will wait till after christmas.
You're right, you could go with an i5 and to bring more decent wattage get an antec ea-650 (around $70, $30 more than the 430 psu) but keep in mind that to overclock a CPU you'll need a "k" edition (for Intel, AMD's it's Black Edition) which costs approximately $50 more than standard versions (so around $230 for an Intel), plus the cooler (912 evo is good at $30, but you might want a liquid cooling unit), thermal grease, a case with more airflow (like the HAF series from Cooler Master, 912 are $50 with the MIR), and fans, so it'll cost around $120 more than a non-overclock'd build... because your budget is tight, you might want to consider that cost. Or buy overclocking-capable parts, and add the cooling unit and some fans later on when you're ready to overclock...
Then you could use this build:
COOLER MASTER HAF 912 RC-912-KKN1 $59.99
Antec EarthWatts EA-650 GREEN 650W $69.99
CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3 Model CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9 $40.99
Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W $219.99
(You have integrated graphics, Intel 4000, on the CPU, so you can wait until Christmas for your GPU)
ASUS P8H77-V LGA 1155 Intel H77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard $135 -$20 MIR Total: 526.95 +tx +sh -20 MIR without even a GPU...
And plan to add later:
XFX CORE Edition FX-777A-ZNF4 Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition $119.99 -$20MIR +gift: NEXUiZ & FarCry3 for free
(Or any other AMD card, depending on your budget, you won't have any bottleneck effect with that i5)
2x Megaflow 200mm fans (multiple LED colors, but already red on the HAF 912) $21.99 each
COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 EVO $29.99 -$5 MIr
ARCTIC COOLING MX-2 Thermal Compound $10.99
Adding a total of 204.95 +tx +sh -25 MRI... Grand total $731.90 +tx +sh -$45 MIR (every price from NewEgg)
Sorry I can't include shipping and taxes I have no idea which state you live in
But then you're way over your $500-600 budget ... And have no OS yet, nor new hard drive (you can get a decent 7200rpm/SATA6/1TB for around $75, Seagate is fine)...
And without overclocking, just use the same built as in my last post with the Antec ea-650 ($70) or XFX 550 ($60$) and the i5 (or looniam's build, also pretty nice, AsRock mobos are cheaper but great)
Oh and before you ask yourself: Should I stick with AMD for my GPU? The answer is yes, unless you put $200 in your GPU, stick with ATI, then >$200 I'd suggest NVidia... for now (changes so fast, you can't predict 3 years ahead). And if you change your mind about that GPU, know that NVidia isn't compatible with this board...
The power supply I picked out will support any single card configuration, and XFX power supplies are made by Seasonic, arguable the best power supply manufacturer. You're going to want the extra wattage if you're getting any card higher than a 7770, just to be safe.