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November 16, 2012 2:49:55 AM

I was wondering how this build will be, Can it run BF3 on Ultra??



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November 16, 2012 2:58:17 AM

Deric_5 said:
I was wondering how this build will be, Can it run BF3 on Ultra??



RAIDMAX HYBRID 2 RX-530SS 530W Modular Power Supply, New Version with Build-in LED Fan On/Off Switch
Item #:N82E16817152028
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$39.99


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Thermaltake Commander Series VN40006W2N White / Black Computer Case
Item #:N82E16811133196
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$59.99


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ASRock 970 EXTREME4 ATX AMD Motherboard with UEFI BIOS
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AMD FX-4300 3.8GHz (4.0GHz) Socket AM3+ Quad-Core Desktop Processor
Item #: N82E16819113287
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-$10.00 Combo
$229.98
$219.98


1

SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 7870 GHz Edition 11199-03-20G Video Card
Item #: N82E16814102983
Return Policy: VGA Standard Return Policy

Kingston HyperX Blu 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory
Item #: N82E16820104262
Return Policy: Memory Standard Return Policy
-$11.00 Combo
$15.00 Mail-in Rebate Card
$289.98
$278.98


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AMD Gift - FARCRY3 / MOH 2-in-1 Game Coupon
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$69.99


Grand Total: $598.94


It sure as heck wont. Ok let me re-phrase that: it can if you turn all textures and other effects such as anti-aliasing right down to the lowest setting and are playing on a really low resolution; but if you are gaming at any decent type of resolution (say 1920x 1080 or 1680x1050) then you wont get good performance as these higher framrates tax the graphics card much more.

And why the hell are you paying $69.99 for an "AMD gift coupon" that was meant to come with those graphics cards for FREE anyway......someones getting ripped off
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November 16, 2012 3:00:46 AM

I don't know how it will play BF3 but off that bat it looks like you may need a higher rated PSU. Whats your budget?
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November 16, 2012 3:06:48 AM

Mountaingazer said:
I don't know how it will play BF3 but off that bat it looks like you may need a higher rated PSU. Whats your budget?


Around $600 to $700
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November 16, 2012 3:07:55 AM

Ok now we have established that the build you suggested wont cut it.... lets work on improving it, we will help you.

First we need to know where you got that list of prices from, and a location where we can pick parts for you from (its no good picking parts from newegg for a guy in australia etc, as they dont ship there.)

Also, preferred budget and any other details...see the "asking for advice on a new build thread here:http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/353572-31-build-upgra...
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November 16, 2012 3:09:29 AM

StormOfRazors said:
It sure as heck wont. Ok let me re-phrase that: it can if you turn all textures and other effects such as anti-aliasing right down to the lowest setting and are playing on a really low resolution; but if you are gaming at any decent type of resolution (say 1920x 1080 or 1680x1050) then you wont get good performance as these higher framrates tax the graphics card much more.

And why the hell are you paying $69.99 for an "AMD gift coupon" that was meant to come with those graphics cards for FREE anyway......someones getting ripped off


Umm Common Sense dude come on You cant BUY the "GIFT COUPON" thats just how it looks.
and second of all i just answered my own question right now basicly with this link that totaly disagrees with what you said : http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2012/03/05/amd-radeon-...
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November 16, 2012 3:10:36 AM

Im getting my parts from Newegg budget is $600 to $700 i also need an os
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November 16, 2012 3:14:55 AM

Heres an Intel Build but its $100 more


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Intel Core i5-3550 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 Quad-Core Desktop Processor
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Thermaltake Commander Series VN40006W2N White / Black Computer Case
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MSI Z77A-G45 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS
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November 16, 2012 3:15:07 AM

No im not totally wrong..... fisrtly with the coupon thing i don't understand why that would even be on the pricing list whether you are really paying for it or not, and secondly the video card ISNT the only thing holding you back dude: that review had a test setup with a INTEL core i5 2500k. which will be faster than your said AMD CPU.
Also, a good pc builder will not find 43fps 'good enough' on ultra settings, personally id turn the settings down a bit to get 60fps in the game. sure 30 fps is playable but it is not the best experience
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November 16, 2012 3:18:44 AM

The 7870 is perfectly capable of running battlefield 3 on ultra. Every benchmark shows that. Raidmax generally madness crap PSUs though
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November 16, 2012 3:19:02 AM

StormOfRazors said:
No im not totally wrong..... fisrtly with the coupon thing i don't understand why that would even be on the pricing list whether you are really paying for it or not, and secondly the video card ISNT the only thing holding you back dude: that review had a test setup with a INTEL core i5 2500k. which will be slower than your said AMD CPU.
Also, a good pc builder will not find 43fps 'good enough' on ultra settings, personally id turn the settings down a bit to get 60fps in the game. sure 30 fps is playable but it is not the best experience


I agree I would also turn the settings down.. is the second build better?
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November 16, 2012 3:21:12 AM

Deric_5 said:
I agree I would also turn the settings down.. is the second build better?

1,000% better!
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November 16, 2012 3:24:24 AM

Sorry i edited my previous post in which I stated the i5 2500k would be slower than the AMD... I meant to say it will be faster.....

Anyway the Intel build is alot better CPU wise, im not too sure about the graphics card though. AMD seems to offer better Price vs performance on the graphics card front and since this is a budget build... i dont know....
Sorry i wasnt trying to be rude in any of my posts, and to clarify yes the 7870 can run BF3 fine on ultra, but this will vary depending on your resolution, your CPU and what other effects such as textures you have on. It would be better as i said, to go down one setting below Ultra to get a better better fps. The builds you have supplied can run battlefield 3 at good setting, they just wont do 60fps at ultra with full settings such as AA turned all the way up, and thats what most PC enthusiest call "running at ultra"
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November 16, 2012 3:25:32 AM

Anonymous said:
1,000% better!


Haha i thought so.. But its also $100 more and i still need Windows 7 :[ is there a way i could make it cheaper without losing alot of the performance
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November 16, 2012 3:27:52 AM

StormOfRazors said:
Sorry i edited my previous post in which I stated the i5 2500k would be slower than the AMD... I meant to say it will be faster.....

Anyway the Intel build is alot better CPU wise, im not too sure about the graphics card though. AMD seems to offer better Price vs performance on the graphics card front and since this is a budget build... i dont know....
Sorry i wasnt trying to be rude in any of my posts, and to clarify yes the 7870 can run BF3 fine on ultra, but this will vary depending on your resolution, your CPU and what other effects such as textures you have on. It would be better as i said, to go down one setting below Ultra to get a better better fps. The builds you have supplied can run battlefield 3 at good setting, they just wont do 60fps at ultra with full settings such as AA turned all the way up, and thats what most PC enthusiest call "running at ultra"


Sorry i forgot to include 1080p and you think on the second build i should switch the 660 to the 7870 then??
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November 16, 2012 3:31:53 AM

Deric_5 said:
Sorry i forgot to include 1080p and you think on the second build i should switch the 660 to the 7870 then??


Im trying to put together a build on newegg for you now that will gve you good results, but yea for a budget build id go AMD for price vs performance in the graphics card, especially with the new catalyst driver 12.11 that gives good performance improvements.
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November 16, 2012 3:33:17 AM

StormOfRazors said:
Im trying to put together a build on newegg for you now that will gve you good results, but yea for a budget build id go AMD for prive vs performance in the graphics card, especially with the new catalyst driver 12.11 that gives good performance improvements.


Cool Thanks I apreciate the help, sorry im a newbee :sol: 
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November 16, 2012 3:36:18 AM

StormOfRazors said:
Im trying to put together a build on newegg for you now that will gve you good results, but yea for a budget build id go AMD for price vs performance in the graphics card, especially with the new catalyst driver 12.11 that gives good performance improvements.

the 660 and 7870 are equal; within a few percent in performance and the 660s are actually cheaper.
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November 16, 2012 3:41:43 AM

your right, they are nearly equal, but as im in Australia myself the 660s are on average $20-40 more than the 7870, and with the latest drivers, the 7870 beats the 660 in battlefield 3 http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Catalyst_12.11_P...
look under the screen res you want, the closest is probably 1920x1200 and look for 7870 cat 12.11 (53.8 fps) vs the 660 (49.7)
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November 16, 2012 3:46:47 AM

StormOfRazors said:
your right, they are nearly equal, but as im in Australia myself the 660s are on average $20-40 more than the 7870, and with the latest drivers, the 7870 beats the 660 in battlefield 3 http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Catalyst_12.11_P...
look under the screen res you want, the closest is probably 1920x1200 and look for 7870 cat 12.11 (53.8 fps) vs the 660 (49.7)

not tyrying to get in a "debate":
and nvidia has also released drivers since then that increased their performance but just didn't make a big PR campaign out of it like AMD.

i mean new drivers are supposed to increase performance anyhow, right? but i guess amd needs all the PR they can get. :p 
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November 16, 2012 3:48:41 AM

here i'll put this out there as a "suggested build" tweak away if you want.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3470 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($184.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI B75MA-E33 Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($56.99 @ Mac Mall)
Memory: G.Skill Value 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($32.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 660 2GB Video Card ($214.99 @ CompUSA)
Case: Thermaltake Commander MS-I ID ATX Mid Tower Case ($47.42 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 500W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($37.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($17.98 @ Outlet PC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Base Total: $718.33
Promo Discounts: -$15.00
Mail-in Rebates: -$20.00
Total: $683.33
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-11-16 00:47 EST-0500)
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November 16, 2012 3:53:06 AM

7870 can easily pull 50 fps at ultra setting in BF3 with MSAA disabled at 1080p. thats.pretty damn good . maybe he should just.replace the 4300 with 3450 to get much better performance in BF3..means he should switch to intel
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November 16, 2012 3:54:24 AM

Anonymous said:
not tyrying to get in a "debate":
and nvidia has also released drivers since then that increased their performance but just didn't make a big PR campaign out of it like AMD.

i mean new drivers are supposed to increase performance anyhow, right? but i guess amd needs all the PR they can get. :p 


correct, i didnt mean to start a debate really (its worth noting that all these drivers are still in beta anyway) although if they release drivers to increase performance im not complaining :) 
they do need all the help they can get though, I agree there. Maybe my view that AMD is better price performance is just based on Australia locally, nvidia wouldnt be the first to charge higher based on region....

Anyway I really dont like neweggs website, but my build is coming in at $800 excluding the OS and shipping, so unfortunately i dont think that is going to work. Ill keep trying, and ill have a look at their prebuilts
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November 16, 2012 3:56:13 AM

It WILL run BF3 on ultra. I run it on my computer which is pretty much at the same level as yours. I get around 40 to 60fps on multiplayer. But if I lower some(to me insignificant) visual effects & detail and AA it gos up like 10fps. so if you really want AMD know that it can do it. Maybe not as well as an i5 but it can.
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November 16, 2012 4:02:06 AM

StormOfRazors said:
correct, i didnt mean to start a debate really (its worth noting that all these drivers are still in beta anyway) although if they release drivers to increase performance im not complaining :) 
they do need all the help they can get though, I agree there. Maybe my view that AMD is better price performance is just based on Australia locally, nvidia wouldnt be the first to charge higher based on region....

Anyway I really dont like neweggs website, but my build is coming in at $800 excluding the OS and shipping, so unfortunately i dont think that is going to work. Ill keep trying, and ill have a look at their prebuilts

i will completely agree that for you the 7870 is a better price performance.

and actually if the OP would not be afraid to overclock a decent 7870 (meaning not just a reference card). . .

sorry i should have stated just that before.
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November 16, 2012 4:52:50 AM

basically i dont know about US prices and arnt familiar with newegg or NCIX, but ill just mention something.
the part picker rigs are really good, but they show parts from many different suppliers which means you can often be forced to pay what you saved in the multiple shipping costs (unless they all have free shipping?) id suggest sticking to one or two suppliers and finding the best value parts you can find on those 2 sites.

For a budget build, some cases come with a PSU in them/ PSU bundle. They are not the best quality and i wouldnt normally recommend them, but on a budget build they may save you a bit. I cant comment on the quality of this, but here is an example http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
see if there are any other ones with a better PSU. Corsiar, silverstone, seasonic, coolermster, antec and thermaltake are the PSU's you should be looking at for reliability.

Go with whatever intel core i5 you can stretch the budget to. When you drop to i3 level performance it may be better to stick with AMD (Im not saying the FX series is better than an i3, don't confuse me; but often an AMD motherboard will be cheaper than an intel 1155 z77 board) and at this performance level it CAN (stress the can) be cheaper to stay with AMD as the motherboard plus CPU cost can be lower.

looniam's build is pretty good, but try to find similar things off of the one site as i said, you may have to pay a lot of shipping otherwise. one thing i would improve for a little bit extra is to get a full atx size motherboard running z77, but this may put it outside of your budget....


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Anonymous
November 16, 2012 6:16:38 AM

shipping costs are included in the pcpartpicker prices but yeah getting from the same place means dealing with only one vendor.
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November 17, 2012 1:43:30 AM

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