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November 16, 2012 3:35:34 AM

Approximate Purchase Date:( e.g.: this week (the closer the better)) this week

Budget Range:( e.g.: 600-800)Before / After Rebates 600-800

System Usage from Most to Least Important:( e.g.: Folding@Home, gaming, surfing the internet, watching movies) gamming; college homework; surfing movies

Parts Not Required:( e.g.: keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers, OS)**Include Power Supply Make & Model If Re-using** keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers, OS

Preferred Website(s) for Parts:( e.g.: newegg.com, ncix.com -- to show us selection & pricing) newegg.com, ncix.com ;ebay;

Country:( e.g.: India) we need to know where these parts are being assembled--------- USA

Parts Preferences:by brand or type (e.g.: I would like to use an AMD CPU & Biostar mobo with a 24" LCD and full tower case)

Overclocking: Yes / No / Maybe ----maybe

SLI or Crossfire: Yes / No / Maybe ---maybe

Monitor Resolution:( e.g.: 1024x768, 1280x1024, 1440x900, 1600x1200, 1680x1050, 1920x1080, 1920x1200)
1440x900 and higher

Additional Comments:( e.g.: Need to have a window and lots of bling, I would like a quiet PC)

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November 16, 2012 9:14:33 PM

Did you have problems with the "format"

Basically what we need to know, if you want design advice.

1) What you want PC for like -eg. Gaming, Photo/video editing, design work, surfing, or of course a combination of those.
2) Where are you (country)
3) Budget
4) What budget has to include. Do you need things like monitor, operating system, keyboard/mouse etc.
5) If you've got monitor, what resolution is it. If not, what size do you want.
6) Any special needs, like a window in case, or you want it to be particularly good at a favourite game etc
7) Do you want ability to overclock processor, or to add a 2nd GPU, in future (bear in mind those abilities cost)
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November 17, 2012 2:52:05 AM

malbluff said:
Did you have problems with the "format"

Basically what we need to know, if you want design advice.

1) What you want PC for like -eg. Gaming, Photo/video editing, design work, surfing, or of course a combination of those
2) Where are you (country)
3) Budget
4) What budget has to include. Do you need things like monitor, operating system, keyboard/mouse etc.
5) If you've got monitor, what resolution is it. If not, what size do you want.
6) Any special needs, like a window in case, or you want it to be particularly good at a favourite game etc
7) Do you want ability to overclock processor, or to add a 2nd GPU, in future (bear in mind those abilities cost)


Sorry must have and didn't notice so let try it again;

Approximate Purchase Date; next two weeks ,soon the better

Budget Range:around $800.00 after rebate give or take

System Usage from Most to Least Important Gamming,college homework,surfing, photo work (nothing heavy lite vidio production) and movies

Parts Not Required; keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers, OS

Preferred Website(s) for Parts:---newegg.com, ncix.com ;ebay;

Country:- USA

Overclocking: more than likely,

SLI or Crossfire: at some time i'm sure so thats a Maybe

Monitor Resolution;1440x900, 1600x1200, 1680x1050, 1920x1080, 1920x1200) 1440x900 and higher,- running 3 displays now with intent to run more

Additional Comments:(  as a result of a stroke i suffer from ( Agoraphobia ) so i send a lot of time up grading so i would like start with a mobo that would afford me this option. blink is nice, but no needed. but function is real so things like being able to liquid cooled later down the road is more important.
thanks and sorry about the format thing















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November 17, 2012 6:28:13 AM

Here's a suggestion. Make sure to get the 7870 from Newegg to get free goodies.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3450 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor ($179.52 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock H77 Pro4/MVP ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($87.55 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($38.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: OCZ Vertex 4 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($103.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7870 GHz Edition 2GB Video Card ($231.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Antec Three Hundred Two ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($53.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($15.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $811.98
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-11-17 03:27 EST-0500)
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November 17, 2012 9:45:25 AM

You can probably see the issue, from the above. You could allow for overclocking CPU, with a suitable CPU and Z77 mobo, and cooling; you could allow for SLi/crossfire, with a suitable motherboard and adequately rated power supply; you could even allow for future custom water cooling, with a suitable case. It would be difficult, however, to allow for much of those, let alone all, if you actually want a reasonable graphics card. Plus, if you are looking for GAMING on multiple monitors, you need, at least, a very powerful graphics card, if not dual cards. Something has to be sacrificed, it's just a question of what.
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November 19, 2012 12:30:14 PM

Ok due to some recent developments with my health I'm afforded much more time for this build ( like all the time I need ) so this will allow me the option to spend more.
thought i just start with a really great mobo and case and psu and go from there.still following plan.
question for addict;
why i5-3450 i get confused when reading spec and tend to thin higher is better
ie; 3.2 vs 3.1 i7 over i5, 3470 over 3450 ( not relizing that you can probality over clock the 3450 more') making it tough to see the light at the end of the tunnel.
thanks
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November 19, 2012 1:03:58 PM

In practical terms, the only i5 you can overclock is i5-3570K. The "K" stands for "unlocked" (don't ask me why). There are several locked i5s, generally the best VALUE is either i5-3450 or i5-3470 (it does vary with actual prices). There are a couple of very slightly faster i5s, but the gain is so small, it's usually not worth higher cost.
You need to decide if you want ability to overclock. It's not just the cost of processor, in fact if you have local access to Microcenter, the i5-3570K is actually cheaper at moment. You do however, need more expensive motherboard, and a better cooler. Without Microcenter deal, additional cost for OC is around $75, with MC deal, that reduces to around $30. (Don't know how long that deal is, and it's only in-store)
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November 19, 2012 1:34:18 PM

ok now i understand that , i'm not going to oc right off bat but would like to have that option if l need to at later time. So why i5 and not i7 since i'm not in a rush any more I can spend more on each part. Am I still confussed with the notion that higher is better and faster. If cooler is what we need so be it ,I go water cool ( I think I'm seeing the plan change thats ok as long as I have a plan to meet) I can start picking up the parts start with mobo,cpu ,psu,case since this is prob going to be my last build (my first total custom build) for a very long time I kind of want all the bells and whistels and not regret not installing something I could have sorry to be a pain but I really need advice as I said I get confussed with newer and higher numbers are better but I want that wow factor to carry me thru a long preiod of time till i can start tinkering again
Thanks
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November 19, 2012 5:13:53 PM

The only real difference between i5, and i7, is that i7 has hyperthreading, to create 8 threads, instead of the 4 standard cores, they both have. Only specially written software can use hyperthreading, and the only common software that has the facility is for Photo/video editing, and some design programs, especially in 3D. No games do, at the moment. Because most gamers don't have i7, there's very little incentive for game software writers, to use it. As more people use i7, games that use it may become viable, but general opinion is that's a timescale of 4/5 years. Any i7, bought today, to be ready for that, is going to be outdated, before it happens. General view, if you're heavilly into photography, get i7, otherwise no point, get i5.
By the sounds of it, you would benefit from getting i5-3570K, and a Z77 motherboard, to give ability to overclock. In order to overclock, you need a CPU cooler, better than the stock one, supplied with CPU. The most cost effective way is, normally, to use an air cooler. You can use liquid cooling. There are two types. A fairly basic, closed loop liquid cooler, that is self-contained. They tend to be a bit frowned on as, whilst they give decent cooling, it's not necessarily any better than air cooling, but much more expensive, also tend to be fairly noisy. You can change fans, to make them quieter, but makes them even more overpriced.
Then there's full custom water cooling. That CAN be very good, but needs care, and no little skill to design it, to work well. In addition to CPU cooling, you can water cool GPU, and some motherboards. It can be very expensive, and, forgive me, I don't know the level of your skill, not for a beginner. If it's something you think you might like to try, in the future, it may be worth selecting a case, that would be capable; I doubt it's worth selecting GPUs or motherboards, to take water-cooling, as they are either expensive, or don't work as well without it (in the meantime), or both.
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November 22, 2012 2:24:40 PM

placed,order last night for i5-3570k
asrocks z77 extreme6/tb4 lga1155 may be a little over kill but remenber this build has to last me for a while and i figure it will afford me the room to expand into tunderbolt
need to order case,ram,psu and vid card (must support min3 displays )
newegg sale
32 gb g.skill ripjaws x ser ddr3 1600 (pc312800@
$99.99
psu=xfx core edition pro 850w?
case=coolermaster haf x rc-942-kkn1 atx full tower?
vid card =?
what do you think i know 32gb of ram is over kill and don't really need it but i have other systems that i can use some in' just thought it would be good to have on hand. Is this compatable with the mobo and cpu?,i believe it is but not sure and would like to take advantge of their 24 hour sale'
the vid card or cards is my biggest puzzle since i know nothing about cross fire setups and what would i get out of it'do i want it,ect
thanks for help
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November 23, 2012 7:43:56 AM

ok so here is the lastest on the parts
1
COOLER MASTER HAF X RC-942-KKN1 Black Steel/ Plastic ATX Full Tower Computer CaseItem #: N82E16811119225Iron Egg Guarantee Return Policy
$199.99$159.99 (should provide room to add liquid cooling later till then i think i'll have enough fans moving air in and heat out)
1
XFX Double D FX-787A-CDBC Radeon HD 7870 GHz Edition Black Edition 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX ...Item #: N82E16814150606VGA Standard Return Policy
$269.99$259.99
2
G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL10D-16GBXLItem #: N82E16820231489Iron Egg Guarantee Return Policy
$139.98$99.98($49.99 ea)
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DISCOUNT FOR AUTOADD #59510
-$69.99
Subtotal
$519.62


1 x ($219.99) Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I53570K

$219.99

1 x ($174.99) ASRock Z77 Extreme6/TB4 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

$174.99

total $914.60 before rebates
$864.60 after rebates and there still some i have to track down
already have all my drives

can you think of any thing else i need

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