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Upgrading my 9800gt EVGA 1gb ddr3

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September 22, 2012 6:22:12 AM

Hi I bought a few years ago , my gateway fx4710-ub003a ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... )
But last year I had to buy a new graphic card the one mentioned in the title, 9800GT EVGA 1GB DDR3.
And now Its holding me back in a few games , like D3 and others.
Which sometimes lags,nothing too major.
But I wanna be ready for future games.
So plz let me know any cards I should be looking , and I heard I have to look for a new power supply( so plz give more info about that)

PD: I also wanna upgrade my Ram .
Because I have 6 and I don't fell its enough.
Y have 4 ports, 2 with 2 gb , and other 2 with 1, I was thinking on getting 2 with 2gb instead of the 1gbs that I have, DDR2?
Thanks for your time!!
September 22, 2012 6:47:44 AM

seekario said:
Hi I bought a few years ago , my gateway fx4710-ub003a ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... )
But last year I had to buy a new graphic card the one mentioned in the title, 9800GT EVGA 1GB DDR3.
And now Its holding me back in a few games , like D3 and others.
Which sometimes lags,nothing too major.
But I wanna be ready for future games.
So plz let me know any cards I should be looking , and I heard I have to look for a new power supply( so plz give more info about that)

PD: I also wanna upgrade my Ram .
Because I have 6 and I don't fell its enough.
Y have 4 ports, 2 with 2 gb , and other 2 with 1, I was thinking on getting 2 with 2gb instead of the 1gbs that I have, DDR2?
Thanks for your time!!


Hello my friend,
since i don't have any idea about your budget,i will be listing the best cards for the money:
low end cards (5670 hd or 6670 hd) both are equal to your 9800 gt.
mid end cards (6850 hd or 460 gtx)
high end cards (6950 hd or 660 ti gtx)
as for the power supply you should get a well-known brand and more than 600 watt.
6 gb ram is enough for gaming these days.
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a c 173 U Graphics card
September 22, 2012 7:02:13 AM

You don't need 600W.

I'd avoid all of the GT640, 6670, 5750, etc cards. They are barely faster then what you have now. 6850 at least. (GTX460 ok, GTX550TI is a no.)

If your ram is running dual channel then don't worry about it. You can download CPUz to see. Otherwise getting 2x4GBs of ram is a good idea.
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September 22, 2012 7:08:49 AM

seekario said:
Hi I bought a few years ago , my gateway fx4710-ub003a ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... )
But last year I had to buy a new graphic card the one mentioned in the title, 9800GT EVGA 1GB DDR3.
And now Its holding me back in a few games , like D3 and others.
Which sometimes lags,nothing too major.
But I wanna be ready for future games.
So plz let me know any cards I should be looking , and I heard I have to look for a new power supply( so plz give more info about that)

PD: I also wanna upgrade my Ram .
Because I have 6 and I don't fell its enough.
Y have 4 ports, 2 with 2 gb , and other 2 with 1, I was thinking on getting 2 with 2gb instead of the 1gbs that I have, DDR2?
Thanks for your time!!



Oh boy, you opened up a can of worms...

Yes, it is most likely that you will need to upgrade a power supply. However, the previous poster was a little over zealous. Any high quality PSU manufacturer (seasonic, antec, corsair) that makes a 450w PSU or above will suffice for a single card setup.

However, if you do not want to buy/cannot afford/uncomfortable upgrading your power supply, the only sure bet that you will be able to put into your rig is a Radeon HD 7750. It will add considerable horsepower, compared to your 9800 GT, without pulling very much power. While this card will not scale particularly well to newer AAA titles, it is really the only option I can recommend without more information on the power supply.

I am not certain, but I believe that your processor supports DDR3 RAM, in which case, that is as easy as finding a 2x4gb set that is cheap, and plugging it into your motherboard. It may be possible that you will have to update the bios to make this work. That DDR2 is rather obsolete these days....

Finally, I wouldn't go too overkill on a new gpu, unless you are willing to upgrade your processor. You could spend $400 dollars on a GPU, and not get the performance you want, due to bottlenecks from the processor.
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September 22, 2012 5:28:05 PM

Well right now I wanna start with the ram and the Graphic card, so I can see an improvement.
And I don't think a power supply will cost that much right?
and If I changed the power supply what graphic card would u recommend to no go overboard in the budget?( My budget its not fixed yet , so I want ideas)
And about the RAM , Well I just checked the webpage crucial.com , that some guys recommended and I only see in the recommended Ram DDR2, http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.aspx?model=FX471...
So idk if I can put DDR3 in my PC, Which will be the ideal.

PD: Thanks so much for the fast answers!!!
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September 24, 2012 11:45:27 PM

Quote:
Well right now I wanna start with the ram and the Graphic card, so I can see an improvement.
And I don't think a power supply will cost that much right?
and If I changed the power supply what graphic card would u recommend to no go overboard in the budget?( My budget its not fixed yet , so I want ideas)
And about the RAM , Well I just checked the webpage crucial.com , that some guys recommended and I only see in the recommended Ram DDR2, http://www.crucial.com/store/listp [...] 3A&Cat=RAM
So idk if I can put DDR3 in my PC, Which will be the ideal.

PD: Thanks so much for the fast answers!!!



i looked online, your motherboard and cpu both support ddr3. However, you have 4 free slots, and can only support 8gb. So either buy a 2x4gb set, or a 4x2gb set of ddr3, whichever is cheaper. On a side note, what version of windows are you running? x86 or 64 bit?

As far as power supplies go, if you are REALLY trying to save a buck, I would use this one

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Although this one is better, and it is what most users on this forum would suggest for an entry level build.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

For graphics cards, its a tough call. For a higher end build, its very difficult to beat the value of the radeon HD 7850 or 7870 cards. But plan on putting yourself back anywhere between 150-200$.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Again, for less horsepower, and money, and without needing to change your power supply, you can put in a 7750 for around 80$.

Any other price points, consult this link: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-car...



Potentially useful links (Sorry for so damn many links)

https://www.serversupply.com/GATEWAY/MOTHERBOARD/DESKTO...

http://www.ascendtech.us/core-2-quad-q9300-ddr3-compute...
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September 25, 2012 12:44:05 AM

abraham_mammogram said:
i looked online, your motherboard and cpu both support ddr3. However, you have 4 free slots, and can only support 8gb. So either buy a 2x4gb set, or a 4x2gb set of ddr3, whichever is cheaper. On a side note, what version of windows are you running? x86 or 64 bit?

As far as power supplies go, if you are REALLY trying to save a buck, I would use this one

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Although this one is better, and it is what most users on this forum with suggest for an entry level build.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

For graphics cards, its a tough call. For a higher end build, its very difficult to beat the value of the radeon HD 7850 or 7870 cards. But plan on putting yourself back anywhere between 150-200$.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Again, for less horsepower, and money, and without needing to change your power supply, you can put in a 7750 for around 80$.

Any other price points, consult this link: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-car...



Potentially useful links (Sorry for so damn many links)

https://www.serversupply.com/GATEWAY/MOTHERBOARD/DESKTO...

http://www.ascendtech.us/core-2-quad-q9300-ddr3-compute...



Thanks you so much!!!
Right now I have Windows 7 64 bits.
Now I have a better view of what to expect.
I have a limited budget of 200 to 300 limit ( for the graphic card and power supply)
For the ram I have no clue of prices, I'll look around.
But thanks, any other graphic card that are worth it, even if its a lil outside my budget I can consider if worth it :D 
Thanks!

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September 25, 2012 6:24:21 PM

Keep in mind that power supplies, if you buy a good one (corsair, antec, seasonic), tend to last a long time, 5+ years. However, graphics cards tend to become obsolete within a few years. In the long run, you will be doing yourself a favor by buying a nicer power supply, because it can easily be carried over to future builds. I know that it fights with the instant gratification that a better graphics card would provide, but once again, you will be saving money in the future.
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a c 173 U Graphics card
September 25, 2012 6:49:32 PM

Don't bother with anything less than a 7750 if you are seeking a meaningful upgrade over your 1gb 9800gt. I own two already and in sli while they already come close to what a GTX460/560 SE would achieve.

Absolutely avoid going with Kepler on the low end, yes they use little power but for the same price you can get a better card from AMD.
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a c 173 U Graphics card
September 27, 2012 6:31:34 AM

Most people I know avoid the 1GB model of that card as the 2GB model isn't much more. On the bottom of that page there is a HIS 2GB model for $200. Only $20 more then your card, $30 if you get the rebate. Some games do like to have lots of ram and its not really that much more. Get the 1GB if you can't afford the 2GB as it will be a big improvement over the 9800GT.
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a c 173 U Graphics card
September 27, 2012 1:19:06 PM

Don't get the XFX version, it has the coil buzz issue.
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September 27, 2012 8:50:27 PM

I recommended that one, strictly following the criteria that is was the cheapest 7850 I could find at the time. Personally, I wouldn't purchase a HIS, I haven't heard the best about their hardware, but that could certainly be argued for all hardware manufacturers.

I agree about the the memory size. I would recommend 2 gb with a 256 or higher memory bus, if you plan to game at 1920x1080 or higher resolution with MSAA turned up past 2x.
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September 28, 2012 4:01:32 AM

Yeah I forgot to mentioned that my resolution its 1920 x 1080
And prices? plz anything around 200 to 250 $ or something around it.
Thanks
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a c 109 U Graphics card
September 28, 2012 4:09:42 AM

Radeon 7850!
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a b U Graphics card
September 28, 2012 4:43:49 AM

seekario said:
Yeah I forgot to mentioned that my resolution its 1920 x 1080
And prices? plz anything around 200 to 250 $ or something around it.
Thanks

gtx 660
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September 28, 2012 5:22:30 AM

and hows the 650?
much difference?
I know there's a lot of difference in the price.
Thanks!
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a b U Graphics card
September 28, 2012 5:52:31 AM

lots of difference, the 660 is double or more the performance of the 650
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September 29, 2012 8:02:57 PM

I think Ill go for the Radeon 7850
Any brand u guys recommend?
Thanks again for all the feedback!
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a c 173 U Graphics card
September 29, 2012 8:55:45 PM

MSI, the one that has the aluminum mid plate for the memory and power vrm.
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October 4, 2012 4:18:46 AM

Will this one be a improvement from the one below?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814150588
I just wanna know What I should look for.
And what power supply should I buy,(Brand)
Sorry to ask so many question , I just wanna be sure when I get to the moment of buying.
Thanks!
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a c 109 U Graphics card
October 4, 2012 4:41:48 AM

Seasonic.
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October 5, 2012 3:37:20 AM

Seasonic for my power supply right?
Thanks!
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October 12, 2012 4:49:51 AM

thanks u guys for all the replays is that all the suggestions?
Because Now I'm ready to buy the card and the power supply.
:D 
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October 18, 2012 4:22:29 AM

Well guys I went to my closest fry store and he recommended the Radeon 7870 over the 7850 of course , he also recommended that I buy the diamond brand.
Would u guys recommend Diamong or any other brand, sorry to bring this up but I wanna be sure.
He also mentioned this one
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

By the way any tips on the ram I should get considering I can only get up to 8gbs ;D
And I have 6 at the time.
Thanks for your time!
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a c 173 U Graphics card
October 18, 2012 6:12:42 AM

Diamond is fine but I personally would chose a different one. Yes the 7870 is better but if the 7850 is what you can afford then no worries getting it instead.

As for ram I'd drop the 6GBs you have. Just get a good 2x4GB kit of DDR3-16000. As low of timings as you can get.
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October 18, 2012 6:35:09 AM

4745454b said:
Diamond is fine but I personally would chose a different one. Yes the 7870 is better but if the 7850 is what you can afford then no worries getting it instead.

As for ram I'd drop the 6GBs you have. Just get a good 2x4GB kit of DDR3-16000. As low of timings as you can get.


Thanks you for the fast answer,
Any brands that'll recommend, the guy in the store told me diamond was the number 1 for randeon but I doubt it idk.
There's about 40 bucks different between those 2 , is it worth it?
and for the ram, I don't really know what are you referring for timings?
Can u plz tell me more about it plz
Thanks for the time!

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a c 173 U Graphics card
October 18, 2012 7:04:53 AM

Most go with Sapphire, though there are other good companies.

Timings would look like a series of numbers. 10-10-10-30, or 9-9-9-27. Something like that. Because these are the delay in cycles ram needs to wait before doing something, the lower the number the faster the ram. DDR3-1600 9-9-9-24 or 27 is fine. Grab the 8-8-8-24 ram if you can afford it but don't pay much more for it.
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October 18, 2012 10:44:16 PM

thanks for the tip
I'll look into it today!
PD: And actually the Sapphire its cheaper than diamond :D 
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

But looking the reviews I see this
"This card has known, common hardware/driver issues. 30 minutes into any game I played, the screen would go black and lockup my computer, forcing me to do a hard reset. Thinking it was a bad card or a driver issue, I did some research and found out that this has happened to countless people with the same card and even 7870's from other manufacturers. Google "hd 7870 black screen" or "hd 7870 crash" and you'll see how common this issue is."

Any thoughts on this?
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October 18, 2012 11:56:37 PM

6870
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a c 173 U Graphics card
October 19, 2012 7:21:12 AM

I wouldn't. I'd get the 7970 instead. Extra ram over 1 or 2GBs isn't usually worth it.
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October 19, 2012 3:38:48 PM

Ideally, u want 6-8 gb of ram. 12-16 is simply useless in games these days.
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October 19, 2012 7:07:33 PM

4745454b said:
I wouldn't. I'd get the 7970 instead. Extra ram over 1 or 2GBs isn't usually worth it.

I just wish I had that kind of money right now lol
But now 280 to 300 is about my top actually.
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October 19, 2012 7:08:04 PM

cgner said:
Ideally, u want 6-8 gb of ram. 12-16 is simply useless in games these days.

Thanks I was only thinking on 8gb because Its all I can put into my PC lol.

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October 19, 2012 11:35:04 PM

I got 8 and the maximum amount that I have ever reached about around 6.3 gb lol
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October 20, 2012 7:56:35 PM

PD: And actually the Sapphire its cheaper than diamond
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applica [...] CatId=7387

But looking the reviews I see this
"This card has known, common hardware/driver issues. 30 minutes into any game I played, the screen would go black and lockup my computer, forcing me to do a hard reset. Thinking it was a bad card or a driver issue, I did some research and found out that this has happened to countless people with the same card and even 7870's from other manufacturers. Google "hd 7870 black screen" or "hd 7870 crash" and you'll see how common this issue is."

Any thoughts on this?
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a c 173 U Graphics card
October 21, 2012 3:53:21 AM

Every card can have issues. Just because a few get them doesn't mean all will.

Go google ATI bad drivers. I'm sure you'll get lots of hits. I never had any issues with my 9600pro, 9700pro, x1800xt, and 5750. They always behaved as well as my 8800GS and GTX460. Don't believe everything you hear.
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October 21, 2012 6:37:49 AM

4745454b said:
Every card can have issues. Just because a few get them doesn't mean all will.

Go google ATI bad drivers. I'm sure you'll get lots of hits. I never had any issues with my 9600pro, 9700pro, x1800xt, and 5750. They always behaved as well as my 8800GS and GTX460. Don't believe everything you hear.


Thank you!
I'll keep it in mind and my paycheck is coming in next week , So that'll be the day for the upgrades!
Thanks so much guys!

Graphich card: Radeon Hd 7950 Shapire
Ram: 8gb Ddr
CORSAIR Builder Series CX600 V2 600W

I think this its gonna be my upgrades?
Any thoughts before I buy it lol
Thanks so much again
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a c 173 U Graphics card
October 21, 2012 10:01:44 AM

Looks good. Double check for sales just before you buy.
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October 21, 2012 10:10:19 PM

^ dat
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