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November 18, 2012 12:50:52 PM

Hello! Few months back I came by asking advice on a build and while I liked it the community thought I was wasting my money on it, and after looking at it more and doing more research,I started to agree. Now I've come back did more looking around and have come back for more advice. This new build after rebates, comes in around 740$. And i m liking that price point.



Approximate Purchase Date: Feb 2013(Tax cheque present to myself)

Budget Range: 800$ before rebates

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Primarily gaming, watch movies, internet

Are you buying a monitor: no

Do you need to buy OS: Yes

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: No preferred, which ever is cheapest at time of purchase.

Location: Back country of North Carolina.

Parts Preferences: Intel based off of efficiency, Radeon from price/performance

Overclocking: Maybe but not important

SLI or Crossfire: No

Your Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080

Additional Comments: I want just a decent PC that's gonna last me as long as my last(5 or so years) I'm a space saver main reason why I opted for the case I did. I chose the i3 based off the recommendation from the "best CPU for the money"

And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading: My computer is just old, its honestly never ran perfect but was decent for me. I want to play newish games at decent settings, Witcher 2, Crysis 2,3 Planetside2

Small edit. Had wrong CPU on list.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i3-3220 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor ($114.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($26.29 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock H77M-ITX Mini ITX LGA1155 Motherboard ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: HIS Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card ($184.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master Elite 120 Advanced (Black) Mini ITX Tower Case ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus BW-12B1ST/BLK/G/AS Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($59.20 @ NCIX US)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($91.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $742.40
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-11-18 10:12 EST-0500)

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November 18, 2012 2:35:36 PM

Do you REALLY need Mini ITX? If so, not that one. The only thing going, for it, is it's cheap, but the term "cheap and nasty" springs to mind. Normally you wouldn't need more than stock cooler, on an i3, but you need some means of extra cooling, for CPU, in that case, except there isn't room to fit much, certainly not 212Evo.
Something like the Bitfenix Prodigy, or I believe Silverstone do a couple of decent ones, if you must have MiniITX, but you can get mid-tower, especially if you take mobo cost, into account, for same money, if you don't REALLY need small.
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November 18, 2012 3:12:40 PM

That case had quite a lot of good reviews on newegg, said is actually bigger than it seems and runs pretty cool under load,and yes I acknowledge it being cheap, but didn't want to spend much on the case. And thanks for the heads up on the cooler, choose it cause new egg said it was popular bought along with that case, I'll see if I can find another. But I do want to use that case. As far as need goes on its build. It is to a degree, but its more a preference than anything.
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November 18, 2012 3:50:39 PM

OK, that review convinced me to go with the bitfenix prodigy, I looked at there review of that case as well, said it can only fit 7" bid cards unless you remove the middle cage which allows up to 12" which is good since that card I chose is 9.25. So with tthat, do you think it will work for me?
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November 18, 2012 4:59:42 PM

The Prodigy is quite a nice case. Losing the middle drive bay won't be a problem, unless you are playing to add 2+ drives, in the future. As air-flow over motherboard, is much better, you shouldn't even need an aftermarket cooler, the stock one is fine.
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November 18, 2012 5:30:43 PM

How about this?

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i3-3220 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor ($114.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock B75M-DGS Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($61.97 @ Newegg)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($28.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card ($289.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($39.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 450W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($42.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus BW-12B1ST/BLK/G/AS Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($59.20 @ NCIX US)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($91.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $780.10
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-11-18 14:31 EST-0500)

Not ITX but still a small case. A lot better GPU.
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November 18, 2012 5:47:52 PM

FinneousPJ said:
How about this?

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i3-3220 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor ($114.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock B75M-DGS Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($61.97 @ Newegg)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($28.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card ($289.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($39.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 450W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($42.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus BW-12B1ST/BLK/G/AS Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($59.20 @ NCIX US)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($91.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $780.10
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-11-18 14:31 EST-0500)

Not ITX but still a small case. A lot better GPU.


Thats a interesting build, got the small case that I want, do you think the radeon 7950 is better than the geforce 660 ti at that price point? Looking only a t $10 more for a more effiecent card but there is less on board ram
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November 18, 2012 6:45:14 PM

FinneousPJ said:
How about this?

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i3-3220 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor ($114.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock B75M-DGS Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($61.97 @ Newegg)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($28.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card ($289.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($39.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 450W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($42.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus BW-12B1ST/BLK/G/AS Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($59.20 @ NCIX US)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($91.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $780.10
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-11-18 14:31 EST-0500)

Not ITX but still a small case. A lot better GPU.



I like this a lot but dial back on the GPU to a 7870/660non and get an

http://www.ncix.ca/products/?sku=70543&vpn=BX80637I5345... CPU

http://www.ncix.ca/products/?sku=69828&vpn=FX787ACNFC&m... GPU

Ive seen it and that fractal design case is the nicest small case I've come accross
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November 18, 2012 6:45:46 PM

^Yeah not a bad alternative for a bit more CPU muscle. I'd probably go with the i5 myself but if gaming were top priority I think the 7950 is the best choice.
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November 18, 2012 7:26:33 PM

for $800 i would probably opt for a AMD rig, it performs similar to a locked i5 and will at least perform better than an i3.(i3 fail at CPU games like BF3)

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($129.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($26.29 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: MSI 970A-G46 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($77.95 @ NCIX US)
Memory: Samsung 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($35.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Asus Radeon HD 7870 GHz Edition 2GB Video Card ($229.98 @ NCIX US)
Case: NZXT Source 210 Elite (White) ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.98 @ Outlet PC)
Power Supply: Rosewill Hive 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-222BB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ CompUSA)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($91.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $800.14
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-11-18 16:23 EST-0500)

there is not much of a performance increase 7870 vs 7950. i think the 7950 is not priced right at the performance it can do(should be cheaper)

7870 OC vs 7950 OC have almost the same performance(sorry guys forgot the link but i did see it somewhere)

This build at least have some Overclocking potential and will do fairly better than an i3 at a few games that use CPU. also FX 6300 is priced fairly close to an i3.
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November 18, 2012 7:52:33 PM

Considering OP is wanting to go miniITX (I suggested different), I think the Prodigy is his best option. As was talking of HD7850, I can see justification for stepping up to HD7870, but not sure it's worth going further, with intended case. He doesn't want mid-tower.
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November 18, 2012 8:22:05 PM

boulbox said:
for $800 i would probably opt for a AMD rig, it performs similar to a locked i5 and will at least perform better than an i3.(i3 fail at CPU games like BF3)

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($129.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($26.29 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: MSI 970A-G46 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($77.95 @ NCIX US)
Memory: Samsung 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($35.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Asus Radeon HD 7870 GHz Edition 2GB Video Card ($229.98 @ NCIX US)
Case: NZXT Source 210 Elite (White) ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.98 @ Outlet PC)
Power Supply: Rosewill Hive 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-222BB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ CompUSA)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($91.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $800.14
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-11-18 16:23 EST-0500)

there is not much of a performance increase 7870 vs 7950. i think the 7950 is not priced right at the performance it can do(should be cheaper)

7870 OC vs 7950 OC have almost the same performance(sorry guys forgot the link but i did see it somewhere)

This build at least have some Overclocking potential and will do fairly better than an i3 at a few games that use CPU. also FX 6300 is priced fairly close to an i3.


When I first did a build i went with one centered around amd, quite a few people suggested against it, Now if CPU is a big issue, and games like Planetside 2 and Witcher, and maybe.. maybe!! BF3 or COD-BO2 is more cpu heavy I could go with the i5 that spentshells recommended. And yes a small form factor PC is much desired
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November 18, 2012 8:34:47 PM

ok so small form factor, Only game in their that is CPU heavy is BF3 so you do not really need an AMD.

AMD is typically frowned upon because of the last generation bull(fail)doser.

AMD is really not that bad and there new FX generation is pretty decent at a great price point and performance.

i am not much for a micro ITX(feels to small for me) for small builds i think micro atx will do fine

and really none of those games will really strain a GPU that hard(besides BF3) so going 7850 is also ideal in a low budget gaming rig but for the most part of a gaming rig you want to spend the most on a GPU since it is your priority

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($129.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock 880GM-LE FX Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($28.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Asus Radeon HD 7870 GHz Edition 2GB Video Card ($229.98 @ NCIX US)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($39.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Rosewill Hive 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($66.27 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-222BB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ CompUSA)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($91.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $715.18
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-11-18 17:34 EST-0500)
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November 18, 2012 10:08:49 PM

boulbox said:
ok so small form factor, Only game in their that is CPU heavy is BF3 so you do not really need an AMD.

AMD is typically frowned upon because of the last generation bull(fail)doser.

AMD is really not that bad and there new FX generation is pretty decent at a great price point and performance.

i am not much for a micro ITX(feels to small for me) for small builds i think micro atx will do fine

and really none of those games will really strain a GPU that hard(besides BF3) so going 7850 is also ideal in a low budget gaming rig but for the most part of a gaming rig you want to spend the most on a GPU since it is your priority

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($129.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock 880GM-LE FX Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($28.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Asus Radeon HD 7870 GHz Edition 2GB Video Card ($229.98 @ NCIX US)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($39.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Rosewill Hive 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($66.27 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-222BB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ CompUSA)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($91.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $715.18
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-11-18 17:34 EST-0500)



Ok so according to futuremark benchmarks the FX-6300 is a bit better than the i5-3470 http://community.futuremark.com/hardware/cpu/AMD+FX-630...
So this build is looking better and better. Good to see Vishera is doing better than expected.
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November 18, 2012 10:19:43 PM

Updated with Cooler!

Ok so going with what everyone says, Changing a few things like the PSU from 550w to 430w (mainly cause the estimated wattage is 359w) and the optical drive from dvd to bluray writer. This is what i get.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($129.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Scythe Shuriken Rev. B 3 11.8 CFM CPU Cooler ($23.46 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock 880GM-LE FX Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($28.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Asus Radeon HD 7870 GHz Edition 2GB Video Card ($229.98 @ NCIX US)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($39.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus BW-12B1ST/BLK/G/AS Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($59.20 @ NCIX US)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($91.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $748.57
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-11-18 19:41 EST-0500)

Still very much within my budget thanks to the cheaper cost of the vishera cpu, may change the mobo. Unless theres no real reason to go with a newer/higher priced version. With a base price of 785 and $60 in MIB this seems like the best choice? And with the reduction in price do you believe there is room in this case/build for a wifi card?
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November 18, 2012 10:27:46 PM

Squeeze in a cooler for the unlocked CPU!
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November 18, 2012 10:38:29 PM

I would possibly change the mobo if you think you want to upgrade some things later one.

One thing is to find a mobo using Sata 6 instead of Sata 3

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asrock-motherboard-960gmu3...

only get this if you plan on getting an SSD in the future(does boost performance by a fair amount but still a bit pricey)
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November 18, 2012 10:45:48 PM

From what i saw SSD is just way to expensive for my budget, and i while i know the prices will eventually drop as the years go by, SSD only really decreases load times right?
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November 18, 2012 11:11:41 PM

pretty much and boot up by a very big margin of time compared to HDDs.

if you don't mind waiting then just stick with HDDs until price drops/make a new computer
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November 18, 2012 11:17:42 PM

Best answer selected by mellwin.
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November 18, 2012 11:20:03 PM

I think boulbox you gave me a sweet build to go with, again with just some personal modifications to the build. I want to thank everyone who participated in this build. It will be a couple months until I can actually purchase this thing but when I do, will update with benchmarks and such. I think you guys helped me build a beast of a machine within a SFF which i know not many people like.
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November 18, 2012 11:45:00 PM

prices may vary in a couple months just come back and remake the build. who knows you might be able to fit inside an SSD
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