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November 19, 2012 5:08:11 AM

Hi Everybody. I'm a Newbie and am going to build a desktop AMD PC. Here are my parts

CPU - AMD A10 5800k with 7660D graphics http://www.pbtech.co.nz/index.php?z=p&p=CPUAMD5800&name...

RAM - Corsair Vengeance 8gb kit (2x4gb sticks) http://www.ascent.co.nz/productspecification.aspx?ItemI...

Motherboard - Gigabyte F2A75-D35 ATX FM2 http://www.pbtech.co.nz/index.php?z=p&p=MBDGBM3216&name...]

DVD Drive - LG 24x DVD RW http://www.pbtech.co.nz/index.php?z=p&p=MBDGBM3216&name...

Case and PSU - Raidmax Comet Mid Tower with 500w PSU http://www.ascent.co.nz/productspecification.aspx?ItemI...

HDD - Seagate Barracuda 500gb Sata 3 6gb/ps http://www.pbtech.co.nz/index.php?z=p&p=HDDSE1515&name=...

Wifi - 150mbps B/G/N wireless pci express card http://www.pbtech.co.nz/index.php?z=p&p=NETEDM1026&name...

Keyboard and mouse, 2 Monitors, 1 HDD is all ready got for the pc

All recommendations will be good to help

Thanks in Advance

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November 19, 2012 5:32:10 AM

Its important to know what you are using this build for .

But the parts you have are compatible .
The Raidmax case and particularly the power supply are poor quality

You may also be able to find better prices using
www.pricespy.co.nz
November 19, 2012 5:33:28 AM

NathanD13 said:
Hi Everybody. I'm a Newbie and am going to build a desktop AMD PC. Here are my parts

CPU - AMD A10 5800k with 7660D graphics http://www.pbtech.co.nz/index.php?z=p&p=CPUAMD5800&name...

RAM - Corsair Vengeance 8gb kit (2x4gb sticks) http://www.ascent.co.nz/productspecification.aspx?ItemI...

Motherboard - Gigabyte F2A75-D35 ATX FM2 http://www.pbtech.co.nz/index.php?z=p&p=MBDGBM3216&name...]

DVD Drive - LG 24x DVD RW http://www.pbtech.co.nz/index.php?z=p&p=MBDGBM3216&name...

Case and PSU - Raidmax Comet Mid Tower with 500w PSU http://www.ascent.co.nz/productspecification.aspx?ItemI...

HDD - Seagate Barracuda 500gb Sata 3 6gb/ps http://www.pbtech.co.nz/index.php?z=p&p=HDDSE1515&name=...

Wifi - 150mbps B/G/N wireless pci express card http://www.pbtech.co.nz/index.php?z=p&p=NETEDM1026&name...

Keyboard and mouse, 2 Monitors, 1 HDD is all ready got for the pc

All recommendations will be good to help

Thanks in Advance


Is it possible for you to get parts from newegg/amazon? Their prices are far better. Also your motherboard choice is odd. Why get a crossfire ready mobo when you are getting an APU? Just get an FX-4300/ i3 and a 7850 with a $45 1155/AM3+ motherboard.
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November 19, 2012 5:48:16 AM

CaptainTom said:
Is it possible for you to get parts from newegg/amazon? Their prices are far better. Also your motherboard choice is odd. Why get a crossfire ready mobo when you are getting an APU? Just get an FX-4300/ i3 and a 7850 with a $45 1155/AM3+ motherboard.

I am planning for the future to add a graphics crd in crossfire
November 19, 2012 5:51:18 AM

Outlander_04 said:
Its important to know what you are using this build for .

But the parts you have are compatible .
The Raidmax case and particularly the power supply are poor quality

You may also be able to find better prices using
www.pricespy.co.nz


I am planning on using it for normal tasks and some 3D games like BFBC2 and occasionally some video editing.
What would be a replacement psu and case for under $100
November 19, 2012 3:43:05 PM

NathanD13 said:
I am planning for the future to add a graphics crd in crossfire


You know what here is just a flat out perfect build for $794:

CPU ($190) i5: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Motherboard ($52) has PCie-3.0: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM ($35) 2x 4GB 1600: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HDD ($80) 1TB: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Video Card ($230) 7870 GHz that comes with Far Cry 3: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Power Supply ($45) 80+ 500w: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case ($42): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

DVD drive ($20): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Windows 7 ($100): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

If you want to you can switch out the 7870 for a 7850, and the i5 for an i3 to get your price to ~$700. However I advise you save up the extra money for what I have listed. $800 is the sweet spot usually, and this PC will last you 3-5 years without a single upgrade.
November 19, 2012 3:43:18 PM

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Outlander_04 wrote :But the parts you have are compatible .
The Raidmax case and particularly the power supply are poor quality


I have done some research and searching and have found a new case and psu. It costs more but should work better.

At the moment the full cost is $732 I am going to be getting discounts of 20% from the PB Tech store.

Any other suggestions are good and tell me what you think
November 19, 2012 3:48:15 PM



That would be a good build but thats USD i'm doing NZD. Also i woudl have gone with ASRock but some people i know have had major problems with their oards and the ram being screwed up and broken
November 19, 2012 3:51:32 PM

NathanD13 said:
That would be a good build but thats USD i'm doing NZD. Also i woudl have gone with ASRock but some people i know have had major problems with their oards and the ram being screwed up and broken


ASROCK is a well respected and trusted brand. I have built 5 PC's this year and all used ASROCK. No problems to be found! However I am telling you that with that kind of money you can afford better than an APU! Get at least a 7770 and a phenom II x4!
November 19, 2012 4:00:18 PM



They are both good, but overkill. Your going a little cheap, so you should cut some more corners to keep your gpu and cpu strong. You only need a 500w psu, and I'm sure there are cheaper cases out there that are still good.

How about you use your website and try to mimic my build as best you can? Then we will shave off parts one at a time to cut down on price.
November 19, 2012 4:01:15 PM

CaptainTom said:
ASROCK is a well respected and trusted brand. I have built 5 PC's this year and all used ASROCK. No problems to be found! However I am telling you that with that kind of money you can afford better than an APU! Get at least a 7770 and a phenom II x4!


I have a max budget of $700 NZD and want to overclock. TO get an intel overclockable equivalent costs $230 and I still have to buy the graphics card. But with this Apu I can use onboard graphics till i have enough money to buy a graphic card to run in Crossfire.

I chose AMD over intel aswell because of previous use i found that the AMD XP 2500+ with ide hdd went faster than my intel pentium 4 3.06ghz with hyper threading and sata 160gb.
I will see which one will give me more value out of ASRock and Gigabyte
November 19, 2012 4:05:47 PM

NathanD13 said:
I have a max budget of $700 NZD and want to overclock. TO get an intel overclockable equivalent costs $230 and I still have to buy the graphics card. But with this Apu I can use onboard graphics till i have enough money to buy a graphic card to run in Crossfire.

I chose AMD over intel aswell because of previous use i found that the AMD XP 2500+ with ide hdd went faster than my intel pentium 4 3.06ghz with hyper threading and sata 160gb.
I will see which one will give me more value out of ASRock and Gigabyte


Look. Brand loyalty gets you nowhere in the PC world. The fact is back then AMD was king, and now intel's CPU's are just better in this price range. You can overclock all you want, but I won't ever be even 3/4th's as strong, and it will use twice the energy. If you have to go AMD CPU, get a x4 Phenom and save some money. Again, mimic my build and we will go from there. Part by part.
November 19, 2012 4:07:01 PM

CaptainTom said:
They are both good, but overkill. Your going a little cheap, so you should cut some more corners to keep your gpu and cpu strong. You only need a 500w psu, and I'm sure there are cheaper cases out there that are still good.

How about you use your website and try to mimic my build as best you can? Then we will shave off parts one at a time to cut down on price.

Okay I will try. Would 500w be enough power to power all my parts and an ssd for future
November 19, 2012 4:09:17 PM

NathanD13 said:
Okay I will try. Would 500w be enough power to power all my parts and an ssd for future


Yes going forward 500w will easily powwer everything. Also an SSD uses for all tense and purposes zero power ;) .
November 19, 2012 4:10:15 PM

CaptainTom said:
Look. Brand loyalty gets you nowhere in the PC world. The fact is back then AMD was king, and now intel's CPU's are just better in this price range. You can overclock all you want, but I won't ever be even 3/4th's as strong, and it will use twice the energy. If you have to go AMD CPU, get a x4 Phenom and save some money. Again, mimic my build and we will go from there. Part by part.

Okay thanks I will now see if I can mimic that build
November 19, 2012 6:49:01 PM

CaptainTom said:
Look. Brand loyalty gets you nowhere in the PC world. The fact is back then AMD was king, and now intel's CPU's are just better in this price range. You can overclock all you want, but I won't ever be even 3/4th's as strong, and it will use twice the energy. If you have to go AMD CPU, get a x4 Phenom and save some money. Again, mimic my build and we will go from there. Part by part.


You should stop giving people advice

In the budget range the FX 4300 is better than any of the intel dual cores , and for only $10 more the FX 6300 is a big step up .

The APU build makes some sense for an ultra budget build , especially in New Zealand where prices are higher because of currency values .
The A10 5800K should be able to match any of the similarly priced intels with the exception of games that dont multithread well . But thats the game engines fault , not the processors IMO

As for higher power consumption . The cost of running that APU is going to be less than running an i3 and a graphics card to get the same graphics performance .
Even if we consider the case of an i5 3570k vs an FX 8350 the difference in running cost under full gaming load works out to be around 1.5 cents per hour for electricity in the US
If you are comparing the FX 4300 or 6300 then the difference is less than 1 cent per hour .
At idle , surfing , or writing an email there is no difference in power consumption
Then when you consider that intels sandy bridge e processors use more power than any of the FX processors and no one criticizes them its easy to see who is an intel fanboy and who is not .
And of course your overclocked i5 , with all its power saving features turned off , is probably pulling 180 + watts just for the cpu and its doing that while you are gaming , when you write an email , when you do anything at all .
Are you sure you care about power consumption? LOL

And then when you do start playing highly multithreaded games heres what happens .
http://www.pureoverclock.com/Review-detail/combo-review...
Bummer! The intel isnt that good after all .


Nathan , your build makes a lot of sense to me in that price range , in NZ .
Just check your discounted PBT prices against other retailers using pricespy
November 20, 2012 1:52:25 AM

Outlander_04 said:
You should stop giving people advice

In the budget range the FX 4300 is better than any of the intel dual cores , and for only $10 more the FX 6300 is a big step up .

The APU build makes some sense for an ultra budget build , especially in New Zealand where prices are higher because of currency values .
The A10 5800K should be able to match any of the similarly priced intels with the exception of games that dont multithread well . But thats the game engines fault , not the processors IMO

As for higher power consumption . The cost of running that APU is going to be less than running an i3 and a graphics card to get the same graphics performance .
Even if we consider the case of an i5 3570k vs an FX 8350 the difference in running cost under full gaming load works out to be around 1.5 cents per hour for electricity in the US
If you are comparing the FX 4300 or 6300 then the difference is less than 1 cent per hour .
At idle , surfing , or writing an email there is no difference in power consumption
Then when you consider that intels sandy bridge e processors use more power than any of the FX processors and no one criticizes them its easy to see who is an intel fanboy and who is not .
And of course your overclocked i5 , with all its power saving features turned off , is probably pulling 180 + watts just for the cpu and its doing that while you are gaming , when you write an email , when you do anything at all .
Are you sure you care about power consumption? LOL

And then when you do start playing highly multithreaded games heres what happens .
http://www.pureoverclock.com/Review-detail/combo-review...
Bummer! The intel isnt that good after all .


Nathan , your build makes a lot of sense to me in that price range , in NZ .
Just check your discounted PBT prices against other retailers using pricespy

Thanks for that. I agree with all that. I am now also going to buy a 6670 to run in crossfire.

Would I be better to get the new FX cpu 4 core or stick with the apu in crossfire??

Thanks
November 20, 2012 2:19:05 AM

Outlander_04 what do you think of the new case and psu.

Would i be better with a 750w or a 650w for $10 difference. Also is the case overkill and should i get a cheaper one.

I am going to be a bit over budget due to now get a video card to go in crossfire
November 20, 2012 3:56:05 AM

Your maximum total system draw is going to be less than 200 watts , even with the graphics card added .

Even a 500 watt psu is more than you need
The Aywun is 80 + compliant but it may be build using cheaper components to hit that price point . Either that or its rated for peak power and not continuous power .
Depending on shipping costs I'd use either
http://pricespy.co.nz/product.php?p=1415999
http://pricespy.co.nz/product.php?p=545235

One of the posters on the pricespy forum has a mini-ITX build with an i5 2400 and a GTX 670 running on the silverstone .
It can more than handle your build and is very quiet .
The corsair is also decent quality and would work well


I have used a few silverstone cases and the quality is good . That one looks to be quite narrow . 193 mm . My old silverstone TJ 08 is over 220 mm wide . That means there wont be much space behind the motherboard for cabling and there may be some limits to the size of aftermarket cpu cooler you can fit .

Check out the Antec ONE . Cases are personal choice mostly , but I believe in the budget end the Antec ONE is the best available here in NZ . It even has a front USB 3 port [ your motherboard has a header to connect that to] and two fans fitted
http://pricespy.co.nz/product.php?p=1078563
Notice that it is 240 mm wide . Lots of space behind the mb for the various cables
November 20, 2012 4:05:21 AM

Crazy secont thought :
If you are prepared to take a gaming performance hit now you can have a system with a better longer lasting future .

Asrock 970 Extreme4 motherboard . $160 NZ
FX 4100 $ 147

Is a bit cheaper than the APU build . You get USB 3 , a motherboard that can crossfire and SLI , and even support for another full generation of AMD processors .

The FX 4100 can be overclocked to 4170 speeds on the stock cooler , and should then game with the best of the intel dual cores .
What you lose is the APU's graphics muscle , so you are using a fairly limited graphics card till you can afford to add something more serious
November 20, 2012 4:06:39 AM

which power supply of the two would you recommend the most. I think the Corsair one should work better and the antec one case looks quite good for value
November 20, 2012 4:10:26 AM

if i was to get that cpu would i find it has faster speeds or will it be the same
November 20, 2012 4:30:59 AM

The FX 4100 at 4170 clock speed should be a little faster than the A10 5800k . Te difference wouldnt be too large at all
The processor cores are very similar , but the A10 uses updated piledriver cores instead of the bulldozer cores of the FX .

The advantage of the FX build is the ability to run 4,6 or 8 core processors so in some ways its a better long term solution , but not as good a gamer till you can fit a strong graphics card
Thats a call you have to make .

There are some good reviews of the antec ONE
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Antec/ONE/
http://www.rwlabs.com/article.php?cat=articles&id=595

The Corsair PSU has a stronger 12Volt rail and probably should be your choice . Definitely if you go with the FX build
November 20, 2012 4:38:49 AM

Outlander_04 said:
The FX 4100 at 4170 clock speed should be a little faster than the A10 5800k . Te difference wouldnt be too large at all
The processor cores are very similar , but the A10 uses updated piledriver cores instead of the bulldozer cores of the FX .

The advantage of the FX build is the ability to run 4,6 or 8 core processors so in some ways its a better long term solution , but not as good a gamer till you can fit a strong graphics card
Thats a call you have to make .

There are some good reviews of the antec ONE
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Antec/ONE/
http://www.rwlabs.com/article.php?cat=articles&id=595

The Corsair PSU has a stronger 12Volt rail and probably should be your choice . Definitely if you go with the FX build

I will go with the Corsair PSU.

I was pretty sure that the A10 was a quad core 3.8ghz cpu that runs on the exact same specs as the FX 4100 which is 4 core.

So i get the Antec one with the Corsair PSU on a trinity platform.

Would bulldozer be alright againest piledriver because i have heard that it does not peform to well
November 20, 2012 4:49:53 AM

I wouldnt choose BD instead of PD unless the budget was really tight . And here the FX 4300 costs too much still
Im building my new computer using an FX 6300 . Hopefully its here next week


As I said b4 your A10 build makes sense to me , and it will get you gaming sooner . Good luck
November 20, 2012 4:52:57 AM

lol thanks what do you think of that PSU it is modular
November 20, 2012 7:46:32 AM

Looks like a good deal.

I didnt read the reviews .
I did notice that only one store has it in stock and the ones that dont have the price at nearly double ......

something not quite right there , but if you can get it at that price then sure , go for it
November 20, 2012 3:27:49 PM

okay thanks
November 25, 2012 2:46:17 AM

I have heard that higher ram frequency makes the built on graphics go faster. Should I get 1600mhz or1866mhz.

Also would a 370w PSU do in the meantime for Power supply due to over budget.

Also i am now getting the Gigabyte F2A85X-D3H http://pricespy.co.nz/product.php?p=1459786 Much better value
November 25, 2012 8:20:08 AM

One of those APU builds without a graphics card will pull less than 150 watts at maximum so it will easily run on a quality 370 watt psu

But if its not 80+ rated I wouldnt waste money on it . Its unsuual for those older power supplies to have really stable voltages

Yeah you do get better graphics with higher frequency RAM.
I would probably buy this
http://pricespy.co.nz/product.php?p=1330775
Its 1600 MHz , but rated to run that at 1.35 volts . If you manually set the voltage to 1.5 it should run at 1866 Mhz
November 25, 2012 3:59:00 PM

Outlander_04 said:
One of those APU builds without a graphics card will pull less than 150 watts at maximum so it will easily run on a quality 370 watt psu

But if its not 80+ rated I wouldnt waste money on it . Its unsuual for those older power supplies to have really stable voltages

Yeah you do get better graphics with higher frequency RAM.
I would probably buy this
http://pricespy.co.nz/product.php?p=1330775
Its 1600 MHz , but rated to run that at 1.35 volts . If you manually set the voltage to 1.5 it should run at 1866 Mhz

My build consists of Corsair Vengeance 1600mhz ram sticks. The PSU is a 1 and a half year old PSU we bought because one of our other ones died.It has the ports I need to start off with and I will upgrade when I have enough money to a 650w PSU.

I will now be getting the Antec One with 3 fans installed. When im overclocking my APU's graphics and a little bit of the cpu will I need a aftermarket cooler??

Future updates will be an ssd a blu ray drive a 650w PSU and a graphics card ( if i dont get the graphics card in first build)
November 25, 2012 4:34:43 PM

I havent overclocked an APU .

Im sure that you can get some speed boost even with the stock cooler . Watch the temperatures and stay below 60 C and you should be fine

Id buy the PSU before the new graphics card , and you probably dont need 650 watts . Even very powerful graphics cards like the 660ti and Radeon 7950 only need a 500 watt unit .
http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/Page362.htm
November 26, 2012 1:40:33 AM

Outlander_04 said:
I havent overclocked an APU .

Im sure that you can get some speed boost even with the stock cooler . Watch the temperatures and stay below 60 C and you should be fine

Id buy the PSU before the new graphics card , and you probably dont need 650 watts . Even very powerful graphics cards like the 660ti and Radeon 7950 only need a 500 watt unit .
http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/Page362.htm

OKay thanks. I am planning on upgrading the PSU after a year and the ssd and video card in 3-4 years
November 26, 2012 3:30:59 PM

I was just wondering because I love to play online shooters like Halo and BFBC2 would I be able to host a full 16 player server on this machine?
Also what would be the recommend graphics card for me to get in 2-4. I am thinking of getting a blu-ray drive with the PSU
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