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November 19, 2012 4:07:15 PM

Which system would be better for gaming on a 1920x1080 single monitor? I would like it to last atleast around 5 years of decent gaming.

This:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£169.37 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (£26.65 @ Scan.co.uk)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77X-D3H ATX LGA1155 Motherboard (£95.97 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£30.96 @ Scan.co.uk)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£41.98 @ Scan.co.uk)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 7870 2GB Video Card (£180.94 @ Scan.co.uk)
Case: Zalman Z9 ATX Mid Tower Case (£34.99 @ Dabs)
Power Supply: Corsair Enthusiast 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (£77.70 @ Scan.co.uk)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS90 DVD/CD Writer (£13.98 @ Novatech)
Total: £672.54
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-11-18 16:26 GMT+0000)

Or this:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£169.37 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (£26.65 @ Scan.co.uk)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77-D3H ATX LGA1155 Motherboard (£77.69 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£30.96 @ Scan.co.uk)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£45.48 @ CCL Computers)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card (£216.98 @ Dabs)
Case: XClio Nighthawk ATX Mid Tower Case (£28.79 @ Scan.co.uk)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (£49.98 @ Novatech)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-222BB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer (£11.96 @ Scan.co.uk)
Total: £657.86
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-11-18 16:28 GMT+0000)

I would go for the second build but i heard the XFX Double D 7950 has serious temperature issues and i can't afford any other 7950's which leads to the first build.

Feel free to post any suggestions or even a new build for £675 maximum.

Thanks in advance.

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November 19, 2012 4:25:17 PM

7950 is needed at 1080p. The 7870 doesn't really cut it if you want to game at the highest setting at 1080p with some AA/AF.

The build qualify in the DD version is kind of sketch from the reviews... I'm pretty sure you can find another brand's 7950 for around the same price...\

http://pcpartpicker.com/uk/part/msi-video-card-r79502pm...

This 7950 card is 15 pounds more than the one you listed.



Looking at your build.....


You DO NOT need a 750w PSU for the first build. Even if you're going for SLI the 7870 later on. You can cut that out for a 550W PSU and then you should be able to it that 7950 into it.
November 19, 2012 4:33:53 PM

i would do the second and find a better 7950
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November 19, 2012 4:38:17 PM

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£169.37 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (£26.65 @ Scan.co.uk)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard (£102.92 @ Scan.co.uk)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£30.96 @ Scan.co.uk)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£41.98 @ Scan.co.uk)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card (£236.74 @ Dabs)
Case: Cooler Master Elite 430 ATX Mid Tower Case (£34.99 @ Dabs)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 500W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply (£44.08 @ Ebuyer)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-222BB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer (£11.96 @ Scan.co.uk)
Total: £699.65
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-11-19 18:37 GMT+0000)

Try this... still under 700 pounds...

You can probably knock like 10-20 pounds off of the motherboard if you wanted to go cheaper. but extreme 4's the cheapest one with the 8+2 phase power design for the cpu...
November 19, 2012 4:39:59 PM

lol this is your 560 thread for choosing your parts !
November 19, 2012 4:50:01 PM

killerhurtalot said:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£169.37 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (£26.65 @ Scan.co.uk)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard (£102.92 @ Scan.co.uk)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£30.96 @ Scan.co.uk)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£41.98 @ Scan.co.uk)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card (£236.74 @ Dabs)
Case: Cooler Master Elite 430 ATX Mid Tower Case (£34.99 @ Dabs)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 500W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply (£44.08 @ Ebuyer)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-222BB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer (£11.96 @ Scan.co.uk)
Total: £699.65
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-11-19 18:37 GMT+0000)

Try this... still under 700 pounds...

You can probably knock like 10-20 pounds off of the motherboard if you wanted to go cheaper. but extreme 4's the cheapest one with the 8+2 phase power design for the cpu...


killerhurtalot, its either the XFX Double D 7950 or no 7950 at all because my budget is £670 MAX and i want the option to overclock my CPU and maybe CrossFire in the future i know this will be really tight for my budget but i'm sure it's possible.
November 19, 2012 5:22:44 PM

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£169.37 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (£26.65 @ Scan.co.uk)
Motherboard: MSI Z77A-G41 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard (£63.32 @ Scan.co.uk)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£30.96 @ Scan.co.uk)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£41.98 @ Scan.co.uk)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card (£236.74 @ Dabs)
Case: Cooler Master RC-361-KKN1 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case (£28.07 @ Scan.co.uk)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 600W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply (£52.85 @ Ebuyer)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-222BB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer (£11.96 @ Scan.co.uk)
Total: £661.90
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-11-19 19:19 GMT+0000)

Here... 660 pounds...

with a 7950 and a 600w psu. (you can go CFX later but then you can't OC your CPU as much and the 2nd card will take a heavy performance hit since the PCI-E 2.0 slot is only x4)

According to PCpartspicker, there is no 650w PSU available that makes the entire cost under 670 pounds.

With a 600w PSU, you'd be pretty tight pressed for power if you try to CFX another 7950 later on and trying to OC the CPU/GPU. (pcpartspickr suggests that this system with 7950 cfx and no oc would take up 583w of power....)



Pretty much with your budget, you cannot build the computer that you want: one that can game at 1080p at good frame rates and settings (for the next year or two) and has the ability to go CFX without having to replace parts or take a performance hit on the 2nd GPU.

We can probably go cheaper with the CPU so you can get a better PSU and motherboard but you'll take a performance hit from the lower end CPU unless you go for AMD (which will perform worse than the Intel processor)





So either pony up the extra cash to get what you want or switch to AMD and take a performance hit and increased power requirements. (AMD chips suck up a lot more power...)
November 19, 2012 5:36:36 PM

mrdowntownkiller said:
this motherboard is awesome i have it.


Can't do CFX or SLI lol.

http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=...

specs says:
1x PCIEx16 3.0 slot
1x PCIEx4 1.0 slot
1x PCIEx1 slot
1x PCI slot



the Asrock Z77 Extreme4 is 7 pounds more and has 2x PCIEx16 3.0 slots and has better power control for the cpu for overclocking. Well worth the 7 pounds...
November 19, 2012 5:46:13 PM

How's this build?
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£169.20 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (£26.65 @ Scan.co.uk)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77X-D3H ATX LGA1155 Motherboard (£95.97 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£30.96 @ Scan.co.uk)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£41.98 @ Scan.co.uk)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7870 2GB Video Card (£179.46 @ Amazon UK)
Case: NZXT Source 210 Elite (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case (£39.95 @ Scan.co.uk)
Power Supply: OCZ ModXStream Pro 700W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (£73.49 @ Ebuyer)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-222BB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer (£11.96 @ Scan.co.uk)
Total: £669.62
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-11-19 19:46 GMT+0000)
November 19, 2012 5:51:04 PM

killerhurtalot said:
Can't do CFX or SLI lol.

http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=...

specs says:
1x PCIEx16 3.0 slot
1x PCIEx4 1.0 slot
1x PCIEx1 slot
1x PCI slot



the Asrock Z77 Extreme4 is 7 pounds more and has 2x PCIEx16 3.0 slots and has better power control for the cpu for overclocking. Well worth the 7 pounds...


Dude that's the Z77M-D3H, i'm talking about the Z77X-D3H, heres the link to it: http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=...
November 19, 2012 5:52:58 PM

again... 7870 (or CFX) will not last you 5 years of gaming at the max/high setting...

To put in terms of how long ago 5 years was:

5 years ago, the 7950 equivalent was the 8800 GTS and the 7870 equivalent was the 8800 GT. (both were able to do games at 1920x1080 resolution pretty well back then)

And the 8800 GTS and 8800 GT performs like *** in today's games. even if it's in SLI. My friend's old rig runs Q6600 with 8800 gt in SLI and he's pushing 1080p at medium for the more demanding games...
November 19, 2012 5:56:01 PM

Sret43rg said:
Dude that's the Z77M-D3H, i'm talking about the Z77X-D3H, heres the link to it: http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=...


My bad then lol. I just copied the model number from amazon into google and it showed up as that page :/ 

Well, that would make it pretty much on par with a lot of other motherboards...

November 19, 2012 6:00:05 PM

killerhurtalot said:
My bad then lol. I just copied the model number from amazon into google and it showed up as that page :/ 

Well, that would make it pretty much on par with a lot of other motherboards...

just open your eyes more :whistle: 
November 19, 2012 6:04:36 PM

mrdowntownkiller said:
just open your eyes more :whistle: 


still doesn't change what I said.

his budget and expectations just don't match lol.
November 19, 2012 6:44:02 PM

Is the XFX Double D 7950 3GB really that bad that i need to pay an extra 15 pounds for a different one? I won't overclock it ALOT but i will overclock it slightly so would the XFX suffice?
November 19, 2012 7:11:31 PM

Is there a huge difference between a i5-3570K + 7950 and i5-3470 + 7950? Because i won't be overclocking straight away because i have no idea how to and i don't want to void the warranty so would it be better for me to get i5-3470?
November 19, 2012 7:15:50 PM

the 3570k and 3470 i tested them without overclocking however the 3570k supposed to be better , but for some reason i got more fps with 3470 than the 3570k specially in bf3 was like from 4 to 5 fps !! dunno its just happened with me for an issue or what :/ 
(both tested with gtx 660)
November 19, 2012 7:17:12 PM

So it would be better to go with an i5-3470? :D 
November 19, 2012 7:30:47 PM

if you are not overclocking yes !
November 19, 2012 7:34:38 PM

Is there a huge difference between a 7870 and a 7950?
November 19, 2012 8:33:16 PM

no 7870 is a good card the 7950 is like from 5 to 8% better wouldn't pay more for this tiny improve !
November 20, 2012 12:53:41 PM

mrdowntownkiller said:
no 7870 is a good card the 7950 is like from 5 to 8% better wouldn't pay more for this tiny improve !


7950 is more than a 10% improvement from a 7850... (10-20%ish) (pretty much allows you to go from no MSAA on 7870 to 4xMSAA at the same resolution and settings or higher settings...)

and he also went from wanting the option to overclock to not wanting to overclock lol.

I'd just get a z75 motherboard and say screw it to the entire CFX thing (overrated and underperforming) and just sell the gpu a couple of years later and buy a new graphics card...
November 20, 2012 1:45:23 PM

killerhurtalot said:
7950 is more than a 10% improvement from a 7850... (10-20%ish)

mate read carefully please -.- !! we are comparing the 7870 with the 7950 not the 7850 with the 7950 , which the 7950 will no way will be ahead than the 7870 with 20% !!!!
November 20, 2012 7:58:31 PM

mrdowntownkiller said:
mate read carefully please -.- !! we are comparing the 7870 with the 7950 not the 7850 with the 7950 , which the 7950 will no way will be ahead than the 7870 with 20% !!!!


This says you're wrong. and it was a typo. I meant to say 7870.

http://hardocp.com/article/2012/11/12/fall_2012_gpu_dri...
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