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HD7970 or gtx 670? Screen Tearing priority

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September 27, 2012 3:03:37 PM

Hey guys, i've been bent on getting the 7970 but my major concern has always been screen tearing as i dont have a 120hz monitor. Currently, these two cards are at roughly the same price point in my region.

So my question is.

For 670 users is adaptive vsync making a huge difference in your gaming experience? Of course assuming that you game at 60 hz.

For the 7970 users, is the screen tearing noticeable when the framerates drop suddenly?

I game on a 2560 x 1440 monitor. Just in case that's ever a factor.
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September 27, 2012 4:15:19 PM

I don't have GTX 670, but GTX 560 Ti instead. Adaptive VSync is probably the nicest feature of graphics card control panel ever, I don't ever need to monitor FPS for around 10 mins of playing a new game so I know whether I stay over 60 fps or below it. It also solves headaches on games that I hover around 60 fps - particularly I had problems with AC: Revelations, as it was stuttering with VSync on and it was tearing like crazy with it off. When somebody told me to try Adaptive VSync, all the problems were gone :) .

That's my 2 cents :p .
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September 27, 2012 4:37:52 PM

Both are great i think the 7970GHz will preform better at really higher resolutions at that res 670 would be fine

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September 27, 2012 4:43:11 PM

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GTX670 is a good card, but in this case HD7970 series is superior to GTX670 at 2560x1440/1600. and GTX670 can't even beat a stock 7970 at higher resolutions*

Hes not asking that. He wants to know about screen tearing etc, your post was useless. As the poster above you already stated adaptive vsync will fix most of your issues.
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September 27, 2012 5:00:38 PM

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September 27, 2012 6:16:59 PM

Thanks guys for the info. I have seen tonnes of charts to make my decision. Just wanna hear personally from people who actually own the 7970 to hear about screen tearing cause that really riles me up when there's an intense fight event and the screen starts to tear.

I was stuck between both but leaned more to the 7970 because i intend to use this card for a couple of years so i guess i felt the 3gb of vram will futureproof better than the 670. especially at my resolution of 2560 x 1440.

Felt like i should post cause i couldn't find anything conclusive with regards to the screen tearing.
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September 27, 2012 6:22:59 PM

Adaptive V-sync is going to cause the normal tearing you get when you are below 60 FPS with v-sync off. It will then remove tearing once you get to 60+ FPS.

So, if you want to have an idea of how it looks when you drop below 60 FPS, just play a highly demanding game and turn off v-sync.

I personally don't use it, but everyone has different tastes.
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September 27, 2012 6:39:06 PM

Yup, i understand that but i also understand that regular vsync drops the framerate to 30 when the game runs even slightly under 60 fps. while adaptive vsync turns off when the frame rate dips below 60 thus maintaining the actual fps.

Which effectively maintains my game at the highest performance not exceeding 60 fps whilst eliminating screen tear.
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September 27, 2012 6:45:12 PM

pyrefyre said:
Yup, i understand that but i also understand that regular vsync drops the framerate to 30 when the game runs even slightly under 60 fps. while adaptive vsync turns off when the frame rate dips below 60 thus maintaining the actual fps.

Which effectively maintains my game at the highest performance not exceeding 60 fps whilst eliminating screen tear.


That was true some of the time back 5-10 years ago, but that is not true today. DirectX has remedied that issue, and OpenGL has the triple buffering option to fix it on older games that didn't support it back in the day.

Today, if you drop below 60 FPS, you only lose a few extra fps.
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September 27, 2012 8:09:57 PM

Am I the only one that find Adaptive Vsync gimmicky, I dont think it works. I mean sure it looks good on paper but for the life of me I cant tell the difference in gaming.
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September 27, 2012 8:27:15 PM

redeemer said:
Am I the only one that find Adaptive Vsync gimmicky, I dont think it works. I mean sure it looks good on paper but for the life of me I cant tell the difference in gaming.

You don't own that setup you have in your sig.You are just a fake.Adaptive vsync works like a charm in games which have broken vsync.Like crysis2 where framerate gets down to 30 as soon as your framerate goes down from 60.
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September 27, 2012 9:01:35 PM

cooldudesubho said:
You don't own that setup you have in your sig.You are just a fake.Adaptive vsync works like a charm in games which have broken vsync.Like crysis2 where framerate gets down to 30 as soon as your framerate goes down from 60.


Crysis 2 does not do that and the system he has does have adaptive v-sync. However, with two 680's in SLI, it would be very rare for him to have any use for it, as it is only useful when your FPS changes from below 60 FPS and above. His system likely never drops below 60 FPS unless he has monitor with high resolution.
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September 27, 2012 9:05:53 PM

Adaptive Vsync is a case of different strokes for different folks some like it some don't
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September 27, 2012 9:09:36 PM

cooldudesubho said:
You don't own that setup you have in your sig.You are just a fake.Adaptive vsync works like a charm in games which have broken vsync.Like crysis2 where framerate gets down to 30 as soon as your framerate goes down from 60.



ahah but I do




So I can tell you first hand thats there is no difference at least for me
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September 27, 2012 9:43:55 PM

My personal experience is that Adaptive VSync makes my gaming experience smooth as silk. When monitoring my FPS, it's nice to see a straight line right at 60, meaning there are no dips or stutters. I don't use it on all my games, but it is nice to know that the option is there and that it works very well when needed. HardOCP, who did a full review on adaptive vsync, was impressed with it:

"With Adaptive VSync turned on, the feeling of the game felt smoother compared to regular VSync turned on. The performance felt much like the game felt with VSync turned off. This is the kind of technology we like to see which has improved the innate nature of the gameplay experience. If all you need is 60 FPS in a game for it to be playable, then why not just go ahead and cap the game there so it doesn't exceed your refresh rate. Then, if the game has to fall below that, allow the game to perform at its real-time actual framerate, and Adaptive VSync allows that. It really is the best of all worlds, with no drawbacks. We didn't find any negatives to using Adaptive VSync, and we tried it out in a handful of games."
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/04/16/nvidia_adapti...
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September 27, 2012 9:55:21 PM

17seconds said:
My personal experience is that Adaptive VSync makes my gaming experience smooth as silk. When monitoring my FPS, it's nice to see a straight line right at 60, meaning there are no dips or stutters. I don't use it on all my games, but it is nice to know that the option is there and that it works very well when needed. HardOCP, who did a full review on adaptive vsync, was impressed with it:

"With Adaptive VSync turned on, the feeling of the game felt smoother compared to regular VSync turned on. The performance felt much like the game felt with VSync turned off. This is the kind of technology we like to see which has improved the innate nature of the gameplay experience. If all you need is 60 FPS in a game for it to be playable, then why not just go ahead and cap the game there so it doesn't exceed your refresh rate. Then, if the game has to fall below that, allow the game to perform at its real-time actual framerate, and Adaptive VSync allows that. It really is the best of all worlds, with no drawbacks. We didn't find any negatives to using Adaptive VSync, and we tried it out in a handful of games."
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/04/16/nvidia_adapti...
Your going to cause a war :na:  ;) 
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September 27, 2012 9:57:55 PM

You do realize that if you have a straight line at 60 FPS, adaptive v-sync has not kicked in. It's when you get dips that it helps limit the dips by removing v-sync.
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September 27, 2012 9:58:41 PM

I consider Adaptive VSync like the extra sprinkles you can get on your ice cream if you like it without sprinkles that your choice i want my sprinkles dam it lol.
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September 27, 2012 10:07:25 PM

bigcyco1 said:
I consider Adaptive VSync like the extra sprinkles you can get on your ice cream if you like it without sprinkles that your choice i want my sprinkles dam it lol.



Tests can show the differences but from what I am looking at I cannot tell any differences between adaptive and plain vsync. Matto and a few others on this forum say its makes a difference, so maybe.
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September 27, 2012 10:11:19 PM

The best TN panel I owned was the Samsung PX2370, gorgeous colours and no tearing. On my 680 sli rig 120Hz is amazing smooth butterly smooth gameplay, Crysis 2 3D is a must to experience. The only problem is spending 400+ on a TN 120Hz panel it bothered me, but whats done is done!
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September 27, 2012 10:13:24 PM

redeemer said:
The best TN panel I owned was the Samsung PX2370, gorgeous colours and no tearing. On my 680 sli rig 120Hz is amazing smooth butterly smooth gameplay, Crysis 2 3D is a must to experience. The only problem is spending 400+ on a TN 120Hz panel it bothered me, but whats done is done!


You should see Crysis 2 in 3D using the MaLDoHD 3.0 mod. I recently installed it, and with 680's I can still get 60 FPS in 3D. It's pretty amazing.
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September 27, 2012 10:21:26 PM

Well i just ordered myself x2 MSI PE 670 god i hope i don't regret it now i am broke lol.
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September 27, 2012 10:23:34 PM

The differences between that and the 7970 won't be big enough to regret. It's also been shown that SLI has less microstuttering, or maybe I should say, more consistent frame rendering, so for multi-GPU setups, I think you are making a good choice.
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September 27, 2012 10:25:28 PM

Thanks bystander
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September 27, 2012 10:43:17 PM

I have BenQ XL2420T Professional Gaming Monitor so i think i will really enjoy those beasts! :)  now back on topic sorry OP my bad.
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September 27, 2012 10:46:15 PM

bigcyco1 said:
I have BenQ XL2420T Professional Gaming Monitor so i think i will really enjoy those beasts! :)  now back on topic sorry OP my bad.


Yet another good reason to go with what you are. If you ever feel like trying 3D, that monitor is designed to work with Nvidia 3D Vision 2.
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September 28, 2012 12:25:46 AM

bigcyco1 said:
Well i just ordered myself x2 MSI PE 670 god i hope i don't regret it now i am broke lol.



The guilt of going SLI is only temporary, once you see the FPS counter, 3D etc it will bring tears of joy.
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September 28, 2012 12:25:52 AM

bystander said:
You should see Crysis 2 in 3D using the MaLDoHD 3.0 mod. I recently installed it, and with 680's I can still get 60 FPS in 3D. It's pretty amazing.



Awesome will do
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November 6, 2012 5:23:37 AM

I observed in games screen tearing(GTX 670+60 Hz IPS Monitor). I turned on V-sync, and though the tearing was gone, it wasn't that smooth. If I turn it off and the adaptive V-sync on, will it run smoother, and less screen tearing than with it off?

Sorry if I spelled something wrong. I'm romanian!
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