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September 30, 2012 1:46:02 AM

Hi everyone,
I'm having trouble deciding between the GTX 660 and the radeon 7870. They seem to be back and forth in benchmarks-660 winning some, 7870 winning some. I'm asking this question because of two cards on sale:
HIS IceQ H787Q2G2M for $199.99 w/ rebate: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
MSI 660 OC $205.00 w/ rebate:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Which of these two cards will give me better performance? Which one should I get?

More about : 7870 660

Anonymous
a c 117 U Graphics card
September 30, 2012 2:22:45 AM

i'd suggest the 660. why?
Limited Warranty period (parts): 3 years

as opposed to the 2 years for the IceQ
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September 30, 2012 2:25:14 AM

7870 is much better card. u will see the the drop of performance of 660 when AA is increased..

Well nothing wrong with HIS, their cooler considered one of the best... (but they bulky and their design somewhat strange but effective)

about their CS/warranty, cannot said anything (never had experience)
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September 30, 2012 2:29:42 AM

Anonymous said:
i'd suggest the 660. why?
Limited Warranty period (parts): 3 years

as opposed to the 2 years for the IceQ



if a gpu was defective, it would probably broken by the time 2 years is up. 2 years is plenty amount of warranty period. the main part that actually needs a long warranty period is HDD
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September 30, 2012 2:31:36 AM

from what i heard, his has crappy non existent customer service.
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September 30, 2012 2:38:11 AM

I would pick the 7870 i am not telling you to just that's what i would do there no such thing as future proofing however i am willing to bet money the 7870 being more "future proof".
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September 30, 2012 2:55:53 AM

rdc85 said:
7870 is much better card. u will see the the drop of performance of 660 when AA is increased..

Well nothing wrong with HIS, their cooler considered one of the best... (but they bulky and theid design somewhat strange but effective)

about their CS/warranty, cannot said anything (never had experience)


Honestly the difference between AA x4 and AA X16 is minimal. However the difference in particular games that run Physx like BL2 and Batman Arkham Asylum between the two cards I suggest the 660. When playing at 2560X1600 resolutions which almost no one plays at because of the fact that monitors that support that resolution can cost TWICE as much if not more than a 1920X1080 monitor Yes maybe the 7870 has the edge. But the assumption that in every game the 7870 does better is not true

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6276/nvidia-geforce-gtx-6...

That is a review of the GTX 660 and 7870 with 4x MSAA on all games. The gtx 660 pulls ahead in a few games and past 60 fps unless you have a 120hz monitor your not going to notice any real world difference. If you want to play games that support physx which only NVIDIA cards are made for because AMD cannot run it smoothly or efficiently. I still suggest the 660.
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September 30, 2012 2:59:11 AM

iemidget said:
Honestly the difference between AA x4 and AA X16 is minimal. However the difference in particular games that run Physx like BL2 and Batman Arkham Asylum between the two cards I suggest the 660. When playing at 2560X1600 resolutions which almost no one plays at because of the fact that monitors that support that resolution can cost TWICE as much if not more than a 1920X1080 monitor Yes maybe the 7870 has the edge. But the assumption that in every game the 7870 does better is not true

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6276/nvidia-geforce-gtx-6...

That is a review of the GTX 660 and 7870 with 4x MSAA on all games. The gtx 660 pulls ahead in a few games and past 60 fps unless you have a 120hz monitor your not going to notice any real world difference. If you want to play games that support physx which only NVIDIA cards are made for because AMD cannot run it smoothly or efficiently. I still suggest the 660.


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Physx is nvidia only because its an nvidia technology, not that amd cards cant run it
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September 30, 2012 3:09:57 AM

bios mod but you do have to jump through some hoops
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September 30, 2012 3:10:20 AM

I'd go with hd7870 if it'll fit in your case. Not a big supporter of physx myself(future consoles rumored to have amd graphics). You also don't have to play
the rebate game on that hd7870. Finally, the hd7870 overclocks quite well while the gtx660 overclocks like crap(unless you mod the card and water cool,
risking card, psu, mobo, and everything connected to it). I say that because the 175w tdp 7870 on 2 pcie 6pin leads has 50w of headroom while the 140w
tdp gtx660 on 1pcie 6pin has 10w of headroom. Cards with a 28nm gpu inside beg you to at least try overclocking, except gtx660(for the above reasons)
and gtx650(at a base clock of 1050 to 1080, it's already closer to max clock than 7750, which is faster at stock and has a lot more frequency headroom).
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September 30, 2012 3:19:15 AM

well i'm not fans of physX. Lot of game using CPU based PhysX more than GPU based. not mention titles that not use any physX..

I will not said the ratio (google will said better than me). PhysX is good addition if u planing to spend lots of hours into game that use it...

Please take this as my oppinnion only... :D 
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September 30, 2012 3:21:43 AM

dudewitbow said:
if a gpu was defective, it would probably broken by the time 2 years is up. 2 years is plenty amount of warranty period. the main part that actually needs a long warranty period is HDD

a longer warranty is always better period.

glad you are such the hardware expert to know when components fail
:pfff: 

edit: btw, i wouldn't touch a PSU with less than 5 year warranty.
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September 30, 2012 3:22:49 AM

borderlands 2 without physx looks like crap
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September 30, 2012 3:32:44 AM

Anonymous said:
a longer warranty is always better period.

glad you are such the hardware expert to know when components fail
:pfff: 

edit: btw, i wouldn't touch a PSU with less than 5 year warranty.


of course psus can fail too, but for most gpu failures, it most of them happen due to transportation DOA. what is the % chance that a gpu will die out specifically after the 2nd year, and before the end of the 3rd year. The number is probably really slim. Its like comparing caviar blue HDD's to caviar blacks. there's a 3 year difference, but does it really stop people from buying blues, no. A single year shouldn't be as big. By your logic, the best mode of option for warranty is getting an XFX model, as they have single gpu lifetime warranty, which is better than all other warranties.
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September 30, 2012 3:44:30 AM

feedtheduck said:
Hi everyone,
I'm having trouble deciding between the GTX 660 and the radeon 7870. They seem to be back and forth in benchmarks-660 winning some, 7870 winning some. I'm asking this question because of two cards on sale:
HIS IceQ H787Q2G2M for $199.99 w/ rebate: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
MSI 660 OC $205.00 w/ rebate:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Which of these two cards will give me better performance? Which one should I get?
The reason why they go back and forth is not because the benchmarks your looking at are not legit it's because different games favor different hardware you should take that into account but i don't think you should make your overall choice that way unless that's what's most important to you.
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September 30, 2012 4:02:12 AM

dudewitbow said:
of course psus can fail too, but for most gpu failures, it most of them happen due to transportation DOA. what is the % chance that a gpu will die out specifically after the 2nd year, and before the end of the 3rd year. The number is probably really slim. Its like comparing caviar blue HDD's to caviar blacks. there's a 3 year difference, but does it really stop people from buying blues, no. A single year shouldn't be as big. By your logic, the best mode of option for warranty is getting an XFX model, as they have single gpu lifetime warranty, which is better than all other warranties.

you think you know what my logic is but do not. rather egocentric of you if i may say.

the warranty also reflects the workmanship and quality of the components by how long a manufacturer is willing to stand behind them. and yes the XFX would be even a better choice not only for the warranty but it performs much better. but the OP didn't ask about that so bringing it into the discussion is irrelevant unless you want to reach for some sort of validation.

getting back to the topic at hand which is the OP asking what is a better performing and what he should get; try answering that instead of making erroneous physx and irrelevant warranty comments from the peanut gallery or have a big cup of STFU.

or how about backing your claim on how and when gpus fail; now that ought to be exciting :) 
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September 30, 2012 4:06:59 AM

Anonymous said:
you think you know what my logic is but do not. rather egocentric of you if i may say.

the warranty also reflects the workmanship and quality of the components by how long a manufacturer is willing to stand behind them. and yes the XFX would be even a better choice not only for the warranty but it performs much better. but the OP didn't ask about that so bringing it into the discussion is irrelevant unless you want to reach for some sort of validation.

getting back to the topic at hand which is the OP asking what is a better performing and what he should get; try answering that instead of making erroneous physx and irrelevant warranty comments from the peanut gallery or have a big cup of SThttp://img.tomshardware.com/forum/uk/icones/redface.gif....

or how about backing your claim on how and when gpus fail; now that ought to be exciting :) 
:ouch:  smacked! :lol:  jk chill out guys life is to short to sweat the small stuff.
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September 30, 2012 5:05:40 AM

Anonymous said:
you think you know what my logic is but do not. rather egocentric of you if i may say.

the warranty also reflects the workmanship and quality of the components by how long a manufacturer is willing to stand behind them. and yes the XFX would be even a better choice not only for the warranty but it performs much better. but the OP didn't ask about that so bringing it into the discussion is irrelevant unless you want to reach for some sort of validation.

getting back to the topic at hand which is the OP asking what is a better performing and what he should get; try answering that instead of making erroneous physx and irrelevant warranty comments from the peanut gallery or have a big cup of STFU.

or how about backing your claim on how and when gpus fail; now that ought to be exciting :) 



I never made a statement bashing physx. I only corrected another user who said that amd cards cannot run physx because its not strong enough O_o. Buying a gpu based off of a 1 year difference in warranty is pretty negligible. What you tried to imply earlier was that the 660 is better than the 7870 when it really comes down to what settings and what game. the 7870 is a dual 6 pin card which is currently being compared to a single 6 pin card power consumption wise(as cards with slightly more power consumption is naturally stronger on relative comparisons). The HIS cooler is a great cooler, and at 200$ it retains some of the best pricing for the 7870. during the 7950 heat sink testings, the turbo variant of the HIS cooler(the one that looks similar to the one in question) was awarded the most efficient in cooling, the normal would follow suit on being a good cooler. I mean telling someone to "STFU" means that you're trying to censor what legitimate statements I can give. Coming at a user with such a negative attitude, and putting words in my mouth that I didn't even say(by shooting down physx, rdc85 made the statement not me...). What users SHOULD be going on is telling the pros and cons of each of the choices(as there ARE pros and cons) and not blasting another user as it gets OP nowhere.


It can cleanly be stated like:

660 pros:
single power pin, more efficient in power consumption
can utilize physx
great performance in nvidia based games
cuda enhanced programs(there is a list) for quicker compute times

7870
dual pin connectors allow for slight general advantage in power consumption for overclocking purposes
can take higher anti aliasing levels more readily
does great in any games that utilize OpenGL or used in generic gpgpu processing.
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September 30, 2012 5:12:28 AM

TheBigTroll said:
borderlands 2 without physx looks like crap


Borderlands 2 looks like crap period(imho), but does look notably better with physx(which does not require an nvidia gpu to use in that game, btw).

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September 30, 2012 5:14:58 AM

jtenorj said:
Borderlands 2 looks like crap period(imho), but does look notably better with physx(which does not require an nvidia gpu to use in that game, btw).



the cell shading art style in general are essentially hit and miss for some gamers. you can trace cell shade hate from all the way back to things like the legend of zelda: the windwaker, which gained some praise from some people and hate from others. I personally like the art style of borderlands, but my cousin likes the game, but thinks the art style causes a strain in his eyes after some time. So really, its more or less preference to cell shade or not.
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a c 133 U Graphics card
September 30, 2012 5:22:22 AM

well, not to derail this but yea where you can run Physx on a AMD card the performance drop is very very noticeable it all comes down to in the end what games you play if you don't care about the eye candy in NVIDIA meant to be played games AMD is a solid way to go. I've had my 660Ti for about a week now and love it.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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September 30, 2012 5:26:30 AM

gtx660 operates close to tdp. that's why it sucks at overclocking (compared to most other cards with a 28nm gpu).

7870 uses much less power while gaming than tdp(if 7970 being like 250w max/190w average 6970 and 7950 being like 200w max/140w average 6950 is anything to go by. 7850 uses far less than its 130w tdp while gaming as well).

Amd can use physx too(not sure if its through the cards shaders, on the cpu, or both).

twimtbp is overrated. Some of those games run better on a radeon of otherwise similar price/performance.

Cuda has been around a while, but kepler kinda sucks at it. The gains amd has made in the gpu compute arena with the gcn architecture, however...

7870 can overclock quite well. Not as well as a card with lower starting clocks(7750, 7850, 7950, 7970 non ghz ed.) but far better than gtx660.

The extra rops on the 7870(and to a lesser extent the extra bandwidth) do help with traditional multi sample and super sample aa.

Did I mention you don't have to screw around with a rebate on the 7870 in question versus the gtx660 in question?

Edit:I think I take a little to long to compose my posts compared to some of ya'll.
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September 30, 2012 5:34:42 AM

I know for certain the CPU can when I play Arkham City it has a option for CPU to run my physx unsure about the AMD part but because the card doesn't have the tech it does really slow down performance. I think it really comes down to personal flavor some people like nvidia some like AMD/ATi the 7850 and the 660ti and some extent 7950 all perform relatively close to one another. But like I said in my last post it really depends on what you play game wise. That's why in most reviews you will see one brand having better results in certain games.
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September 30, 2012 6:04:55 AM

The gtx660ti and hd7950 are about the same speed, but 7850 is way slower(unless heavily overclocked). When talking overclocking, gtx660ti can get to gtx670 levels of performance and 7950 can get higher that 7970(non ghz ed.) levels of performance. They will thrash a 7850(which is 100 bucks cheaper).

7870 is close to gtx 660ti and hd7950 and can overclock well, but is more limited since it starts at a higher clock. Here's a link about gtx660 overclocking:

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/09/19/asus_geforce_...

Pretty dismal(compared to other cards with a 28nm gpu), but not unexpected.
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September 30, 2012 6:11:40 AM

+1 for 7870! :) ) I heard HIS has bad service than Sapphire though.
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September 30, 2012 6:24:11 AM

atavanhalen00 said:
+1 for 7870! :) ) I heard HIS has bad service than Sapphire though.




its hard to really compare anything to leading companies in each side of gpus, as sapphire issues the most # of amd cards on the amd side. So its kinda self explanitory that sapphire will have good service or their sales would sharply drop.
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Anonymous
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September 30, 2012 6:41:33 AM

dudewitbow said:
I never made a statement bashing physx. I only corrected another user who said that amd cards cannot run physx because its not strong enough O_o. Buying a gpu based off of a 1 year difference in warranty is pretty negligible. What you tried to imply earlier was that the 660 is better than the 7870 when it really comes down to what settings and what game. the 7870 is a dual 6 pin card which is currently being compared to a single 6 pin card power consumption wise(as cards with slightly more power consumption is naturally stronger on relative comparisons). The HIS cooler is a great cooler, and at 200$ it retains some of the best pricing for the 7870. during the 7950 heat sink testings, the turbo variant of the HIS cooler(the one that looks similar to the one in question) was awarded the most efficient in cooling, the normal would follow suit on being a good cooler. I mean telling someone to "STFU" means that you're trying to censor what legitimate statements I can give. Coming at a user with such a negative attitude, and putting words in my mouth that I didn't even say(by shooting down physx, rdc85 made the statement not me...). What users SHOULD be going on is telling the pros and cons of each of the choices(as there ARE pros and cons) and not blasting another user as it gets OP nowhere.

kindly take your own advise and do not put words into my mouth because i did not imply that the 660 was better; if anything by stipulating about the warranty i implied the cards are equal or can't you get that?

also i didn't not come at you with any negative comments until you said a 3 year warranty was pointless since blah, blah, blah. btw, i am still waiting for that life expectancy proof . . . .

reread what i said; if english isn't your primary language then fine i can understand but now where did i say you "bashed" physx
Quote:
Physx is nvidia only because its an nvidia technology, not that amd cards cant run it

which is would incorrect by alluding to AMD cards can run physX. the correct statement would be, "physX is a nVidia only tech is why AMD cards cannot run it without a hacked mod."

again were is there you "bashed" physx? (answer: nowhere) if you are so worried about getting your " legitimate statement (aka all important wisdom) being censored what don't you try making one? unless you can my former suggestion is still in effect.

dudewitbow said:

It can cleanly be stated like:

660 pros:
single power pin, more efficient in power consumption
can utilize physx
great performance in nvidia based games
cuda enhanced programs(there is a list) for quicker compute times

7870
dual pin connectors allow for slight general advantage in power consumption for overclocking purposes
can take higher anti aliasing levels more readily
does great in any games that utilize OpenGL or used in generic gpgpu processing.


see was that so hard to do in the first place instead of your "i know better than you" attitude in your first post?

if you do not like being criticized then try not criticizing others with your posts because someone like myself will be more than happy to give you a taste of your own medicine.

care to leave it or post for 6 more pages?
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September 30, 2012 6:45:53 AM

AMD cards CAN run PhysX. PERIOD.
http://www.techspot.com/review/577-borderlands-2-perfor...
And the HD 7870 is also the faster card, it gains more performance when overclocked, most of them also come with great coolers and scale better with AA.
The HD 7870 is better than the GTX 660.
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September 30, 2012 6:53:32 AM

Hmm odd my 5770 would not allow me to use Physx on Arkham City awesome though for those with borderlands 2.
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September 30, 2012 6:55:58 AM

Anonymous said:
kindly take your own advise and do not put words into my mouth because i did not imply that the 660 was better; if anything by stipulating about the warranty i implied the cards are equal or can't you get that?



Okay at stock clocks, i can say this is generally a correct statement

Anonymous said:
also i didn't not come at you with any negative comments until you said a 3 year warranty was pointless since blah, blah, blah. btw, i am still waiting for that life expectancy proof . . . .


can be also said the other way. Show me something that proves that extra 1 year actually benefited users. The value of being able to overclock the 7870 for performance(as 660's arent very great enthusiast overclocking cards, supported by an earlier post) will hold more value than the extra 1 year of warranty.

Anonymous said:
reread what i said; if english isn't your primary language then fine i can understand but now where did i say you "bashed" physx

"Physx is nvidia only because its an nvidia technology, not that amd cards cant run it"

which is would incorrect by alluding to AMD cards can run physX. the correct statement would be, "physX is a nVidia only tech is why AMD cards cannot run it."



again were is there you "bashed" physx? (answer: nowhere) if you are so worried about getting your " legitimate statement (aka all important wisdom) being censored what don't you try making one? unless you can my former suggestion is still in effect.


Anonymous said:
try answering that instead of making erroneous physx and irrelevant warranty comments



simply by stating that my statement was wrong. All i said was that nvidia had created a software technology which is physx, and the reason WHY nvidia cards have physx is simply because its theirs, and of course wouldn't want their competitors to be able to use it hence the movement of not allowing amd users to use nvidia cards as a physx card(until a hacked driver was released). AMD itself does not officially support it. If it was allowed to integrate a form of physx, AMD would probably take it, but nvidia wouldn't allow its competitor to take a technology which firmly gives them an advantage at certain tasks.
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September 30, 2012 7:20:28 AM

Correct me if i'm wrong..

PhysX is just a label/brand name of physic engine/libraries there also other one like havocks/bulet/etc.....(physX thecnically not created by nvi they bought them).

Since not everyone hold nvi card game developers don't always using GPU bound physic engine they also use CPU bound one. This makes so little titles that can actually benefit the GPU accelerated "physX"..

about warranty, cannot said much but sometimes store warranty is more important than manufacturer warranty, but nether less a proven company that honnor it's warranty is always a good thing.

ps: if i got card that i bought 3/4/5 years ago with lifetime warranty that broke down, I don't think i willing to go all hassle to RMA the card IMO .....

There a high chance a better card already priced so low that buying new one makes more sense...

edit: I think majority agree 7870 is better card.. hehe :D 
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September 30, 2012 7:34:20 AM

It is a specific Physic engine that nvidia based games utilize to provide some eye candy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXKwbhYYLuo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_UNRp7Wrog. There is a way through the nvidia control panel to have physx be controlled through your CPU. I think speed wise yea the 7870 is probably a little faster but you have to keep in mind that they are both very close and trade blows in different games so it all depends on what you would like to play.
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Anonymous
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September 30, 2012 7:39:06 AM

dudewitbow said:
Okay at stock clocks, i can say this is generally a correct statement

stock for stock the 660 has the edge in most games:





except where the 660 significantly (meaning by 10% of FPS) beats a 7850 in:




dudewitbow said:

can be also said the other way. Show me something that proves that extra 1 year actually benefited users. The value of being able to overclock the 7870 for performance(as 660's arent very great enthusiast overclocking cards, supported by an earlier post) will hold more value than the extra 1 year of warranty.

a VRM goes flonky after 2 years and 6 months of use; now that 3 year warranty is beneficial, no?

better value in overclocking than a longer warranty? that is nonsense. lets see, a dead card that overclocked well compared to getting another card when it died . . . yeah tough choice i wonder which one games better; the dead one or the new one.

dudewitbow said:
[snip]

i guess you had editing problems; yeah i hate the small window myself . . .
dudewitbow said:

simply by stating that my statement was wrong. All i said was that nvidia had created a software technology which is physx, and the reason WHY nvidia cards have physx is simply because its theirs, and of course wouldn't want their competitors to be able to use it hence the movement of not allowing amd users to use nvidia cards as a physx card(until a hacked driver was released). AMD itself does not officially support it. If it was allowed to integrate a form of physx, AMD would probably take it, but nvidia wouldn't allow its competitor to take a technology which firmly gives them an advantage at certain tasks.

hhmmm read all that out of:
Quote:
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Physx is nvidia only because its an nvidia technology, not that amd cards cant run it

and you getting very far off base with your back peddling. because iam getting curious as to how you came across all this "knowledge"? (more references to ill informed posts?)

nevermind, if i read anymore of your blabbering i may take a gun to my head . .g'night.
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September 30, 2012 7:40:54 AM

dudewitbow said:
All i said was that nvidia had created a software technology which is physx, and the reason WHY nvidia cards have physx is simply because its theirs, and of course wouldn't want their competitors to be able to use it hence the movement of not allowing amd users to use nvidia cards as a physx card(until a hacked driver was released). AMD itself does not officially support it. If it was allowed to integrate a form of physx, AMD would probably take it, but nvidia wouldn't allow its competitor to take a technology which firmly gives them an advantage at certain tasks.


I'm pretty sure that Nvidia did not create PhysX, but instead they bought it from another company to try to completely cut it off from AMD (which failed, I might add, because AMD can still do it both on the CPU and if you have a low end Nvidia card to process PhysX for the AMD card, just like how the old PhysX company did it anyway). All Nvidia really succeeded in doing with it is adding native PhysX support to their graphics cards and they did so in a way that hurts performance quite considerably anyway.
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September 30, 2012 7:44:28 AM

the gpu in question is a 7870 not a 7850. the pictures you linked, the only games where the 660 wins is starcraft and arkham city. the rest says the 7870 wins. if this were the 660 vs 7850, I would have definately said the 660. but it isnt, the 7870 is simply better.


@above, it originally was Ageia who developed the technology. Nvidia owns the rights to it at the moment, so its not that AMD "Can't" run physx because the gpus are too week, its the fact that its property of their competitors, and their competitors wouldn't allow the other side to use it of course. If amd had the option to do it, they probably would use it, alas they cant.
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September 30, 2012 7:48:45 AM

Anonymous said:
stock for stock the 660 has the edge in most games:

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/Zotac/GeForce_GTX_660/images/diablo3_1920_1200.gif
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/Zotac/GeForce_GTX_660/images/metro_2033_1920_1200.gif
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/Zotac/GeForce_GTX_660/images/maxpayne3_1920_1200.gif
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/Zotac/GeForce_GTX_660/images/skyrim_1920_1200.gif
except where the 660 significantly (meaning by 10% of FPS) beats a 7850 in:
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/Zotac/GeForce_GTX_660/images/crysis2_1920_1200.gif
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/Zotac/GeForce_GTX_660/images/bf3_1920_1200.gif
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/Zotac/GeForce_GTX_660/images/sc2_1920_1200.gif
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/Zotac/GeForce_GTX_660/images/arkhamcity_1920_1200.gif

a VRM goes flonky after 2 years and 6 months of use; now that 3 year warranty is beneficial, no?

better value in overclocking than a longer warranty? that is nonsense. lets see, a dead card that overclocked well compared to getting another card when it died . . . yeah tough choice i wonder which one games better; the dead one or the new one.


i guess you had editing problems; yeah i hate the small window myself . . .

hhmmm read all that out of:
Quote:
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Physx is nvidia only because its an nvidia technology, not that amd cards cant run it

and you getting very far off base with your back peddling. because iam getting curious as to how you came across all this "knowledge"? (more references to ill informed posts?)

nevermind, if i read anymore of your blabbering i may take a gun to my head . .g'night.


I thought that this was 7870 versus 660, not 7850 versus 7870. The 7870 only lost in two of those tests, neither of which were meaningful losses. Out of those tests, the 7870 had three meaningful wins.
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September 30, 2012 7:57:07 AM

dudewitbow said:
the gpu in question is a 7870 not a 7850.



looniam = owned. LOL
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September 30, 2012 7:58:18 AM

dudewitbow said:
the gpu in question is a 7870 not a 7850. the pictures you linked, the only games where the 660 wins is starcraft and arkham city. the rest says the 7870 wins. if this were the 660 vs 7850, I would have definately said the 660. but it isnt, the 7870 is simply better.


well color me an idiot.

i guess after that retarded move i ought to apologize, go to the kitchen and grab a big cup of STFU myself.

sorry i reacted so negatively for the comment that another year on a warranty ought not be a deciding factor; you're right.

now i am off to the kitchen . . . and then :sleep: 

:love:  ya dudewithbow! :love: 
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September 30, 2012 8:02:02 AM

Meh, either way guys they are so very close in performance it just depends on what you like more honestly nvidia or amd each brand has there perks I'm done nothing is going through this wall.
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September 30, 2012 6:51:58 PM

Thank you to everyone for their opinions! So, from what I've read, the 7870 is better at overclocking, while the 660 is horrible. Other than that, the 660 performs better at nvidia based games and the 7870 at amd. The 660 also has physX. I'm probably not going to overclock (although the option is nice), and chances are that I won't use physX unless some new game comes out with it. I'm sorta leaning toward nvidia right now, mainly because of the extra year warranty and well, just because msi and nvidia are more well-known companies. Any other thoughts?
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September 30, 2012 6:57:13 PM

feedtheduck said:
Thank you to everyone for their opinions! So, from what I've read, the 7870 is better at overclocking, while the 660 is horrible. Other than that, the 660 performs better at nvidia based games and the 7870 at amd. The 660 also has physX. I'm probably not going to overclock (although the option is nice), and chances are that I won't use physX unless some new game comes out with it. I'm sorta leaning toward nvidia right now, mainly because of the extra year warranty and well, just because msi and nvidia are more well-known companies. Any other thoughts?


Both cards are close and every time its 1vs the other card its so many subjective answers in here and even then with benchmarks every pc has different hardware so it will run different my imo just go for one that you think you going to gain more in both choices you wont regret.
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September 30, 2012 6:59:15 PM

determinologyz said:
Both cards are close and every time its 1vs the other card its so many subjective answers in here and even then with benchmarks every pc has different hardware so it will run different my imo just go for one that you think you going to gain more in both choices you wont regret.
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September 30, 2012 7:01:46 PM

HIS IceQ H787Q2G2M Radeon HD 7870 $219.99
OUT OF STOCK.


you'lll need to wait 10 or so days for it to get restocked ( i have been keeping an eye on that around payday and they never last more than two days)
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September 30, 2012 7:20:42 PM

Anonymous said:
HIS IceQ H787Q2G2M Radeon HD 7870 $219.99
OUT OF STOCK.


you'lll need to wait 10 or so days for it to get restocked ( i have been keeping an eye on that around payday and they never last more than two days)


Dang... Well, it was bound to not last.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

That's the next best thing at about $227 after MIR and shipping. It's now a more difficult argument for a 7870 over the MSI GTX 660 at $205.
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September 30, 2012 7:29:09 PM

Bottom line... can't go wrong either way
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September 30, 2012 7:45:17 PM

i wouldnt recommend the his card. its fricken 11 inches long. the xfx is only 9
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September 30, 2012 8:31:45 PM

Well MSI, and Nvidia are pretty well known companies but so are Sapphire, XFX, and HIS and even ASUS if you were to go that route as well as they do both Nvidia and AMD cards. Here is my setup with a 660ti powered edition



Intel Core i5 2500k
Asrock Z68 EXTREME4 Gen 3
MSI Nvidia Geforce 660Ti Powered Edition
Corsair Vengeance DDR3 1600 8GB (2x4)
Samsung 830 256GB SATA III SSD
Seagate Barracuda 500 GB SATA II
LG 12x Super Multi Blue WH12LS38
CM Storm Sniper
Corsair AX850 PSU
Corsair Hydro H100
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September 30, 2012 8:42:27 PM

@bigshootr8 nice rig but what's up with that "fisher price watercooling"? :non:  get a rasa kit much better mate ;) 
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September 30, 2012 8:44:32 PM

Hahah I didn't want to get a waterblock and all that jazz! keep it simple the H100 is just fine for me. Also I messed up on the specs there I have a Samsung 830 and the 660ti.
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