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Which build is better--670 or 7870 Ghz??

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October 2, 2012 10:47:46 PM

Hello everyone! :hello: 

I recently finished both of my gaming build, though only one will be used. My question is: which one is more worth it? I plan to do heavy, heavy amounts of gaming (planetside 2, minecraft, skyrim, etc.) I plan to get at least 60 fps on max in hd games (excluding minecraft) like planetside 2, though I heard most games nowadays lean towards nvidia chips. Please help me. :cry: 

Here are my two builds: https://secure.newegg.com/WishList/MySavedWishDetail.as...
That was the 670 build.

https://secure.newegg.com/WishList/MySavedWishDetail.as...

That was the 7870 ghz build.

Notice how the latter has higher quality parts, compared to the first. I do plan to do some overclocking (at least to 4 ghz), so I would like to know if the budget (670 build) mobo is good enough for that. Please list any incompatibilities if you can: ex. cpu clearance, mobo and ram incompatibilities, etc. My range is around $900-1000 USD and I want to get the most for my money. I don't care much about physx, but I want the better card/build, Oh, and for the last time: IT MUST BE EPIC FOR PS2 ON MAX. But seriously: all suggestions (except trolls) are awesome!

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October 2, 2012 10:49:47 PM

we can't see the links
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October 2, 2012 10:51:20 PM

esrever said:
we can't see the links

Really? Ok, I will post it to word then you can see the results
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October 2, 2012 11:00:18 PM

Well: here are the specs for the 670 build:

Update

Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 3000 ...
$219.99 $219.99
G.SKILL Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 (PC3 14900) Desktop Memory
$54.99 $54.99
Western Digital WD Blue WD10EZEX 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
$109.99 -$25.00 Instant $84.99
COOLER MASTER R4-L2S-122B-GP 120mm 4 Blue LED Case Fan 2 in 1 pack
COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 "Heatpipe Direct Contact" Long Life Sleeve 120mm CPU Cooler Compatible Intel ...
$34.99 -$5.00 Instant $29.99
Rosewill CAPSTONE Series CAPSTONE-550 550W Continuous @ 50°C, 80 PLUS GOLD Certified, Single +12V Rail, ATX12V v2.31 / EPS12V ...
$99.99 -$25.00 Instant $74.99
COOLER MASTER HAF 912 RC-912-KKN1 Black SECC/ ABS Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
$69.99 -$10.00 Instant $59.99
ASRock Z77 Pro4-M LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard
$109.99 $109.99
Subtotal: $1,046.91
Select All - Select None


Aaaand here's the 7870 build:

COOLER MASTER HAF 922 RC-922M-KKN3-GP Black Steel + Plastic and Mesh Bezel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case with USB 3.0 and Black ...
$119.99 -$20.00 Instant $99.99
ASRock Z77 Extreme4 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
$134.99 $134.99
GIGABYTE GV-R787OC-2GD Radeon HD 7870 GHz Edition 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video ...
$259.99 $259.99
Rosewill CAPSTONE Series CAPSTONE-550-M 550W ATX12V v2.31 & EPS12V v2.92 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS GOLD Certified ...
$119.99 -$40.00 Instant $79.99
Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 3000 ...
$219.99
G.SKILL Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL9D-8GBSR

$37.99
Western Digital WD Blue WD10EZEX 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
$109.99 -$25.00 Instant $84.99
COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 "Heatpipe Direct Contact" Long Life Sleeve 120mm CPU Cooler Compatible Intel ...
$34.99 -$5.00 Instant $29.99
Subtotal: $947.92

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October 2, 2012 11:01:21 PM

Sorry for the sloppiness of the lists, I have a power point presentation due tomorrow (I hate group projects) and am running low on time.
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October 2, 2012 11:28:24 PM

I would take the 7870 build and throw in a 128GB SSD for a boot drive... significantly better performance for the same price as the 670 build. No brainer IMO. Also, you can get a Corsair 650TXv2 PSU for about the same price as the Rosewill with SIGNIFICANTLY better quality.
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October 2, 2012 11:32:39 PM

This is kind of an odd question if you have $400 to spend on a card. The 7870 is a $260 card and the 670 is a $400 card. Of course get the 670. You could consider getting the AMD 7950 or GTX 660ti for around $300.
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October 2, 2012 11:44:03 PM

BigMack70 said:
SSD's are overrated when you're on a budget... you get better boot times, better application launch times (for the apps on it), and that's pretty much it. So for a couple seconds here and there of increased performance, you sacrifice big time on performance during your hours of gaming.

Not worth it at all for a gaming rig with a budget.

Also, the Capstone is a great PSU. It's superior to the TX650 except for its rated capacity:
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Rosewill-CAPSTON...


Lets agree to disagree, $100 for an ssd is hardly out of his budget range given his 670 build. I do not think it is a matter of a couple of seconds but the magnitude of tens of seconds in all applications. It does, without a shade of doubt, vastly improves load times in games. Personal examples would be WoW and BF3, where I have noticed much much shorter load times; and in BF3 in particular, more fluid than on my caviar black.
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October 2, 2012 11:52:47 PM

your gaming is objective 1 correct. 670 is substantially faster. The 7870 is maybe 20% slower depending on the game. 7870 competes with the 660 and 660 ti in some titles.The 670 is a lot more powerful than those cards.

An SSD is nice but it serves non gamers better than pc game enthusiasts. A few seconds faster into a level does not beat an extra 10-20 frames per second depending on the game.

But im not sure I saw the resolution.. no I did noy, also your PSU is not really the best or even really good enough frankly if you get into anything beyond mild overclocking. And if you get the 2500K then I will assume you are going to do some real overclocking.
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October 3, 2012 12:00:14 AM

computernoob29 said:
but you have two of them
Well i got mine before they pulled this crap the ones you'll end up with will be locked
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October 3, 2012 12:01:21 AM

spentshells said:
your gaming is objective 1 correct É 670 is substantially faster the 7870 is maybe 29% slower depending on the game. 7870 competes with the 660 and 660 ti in some titles.The 670 is a lot more powerful than those cards.

an SSD is nice but it serves non gamers better than pc game enthusiasts. A few seconds faster into a level does not beat an extra 10-20 frames per second depending on the game.

But im not sure I saw the resolution.. no I did noy, also your PSU is not really the best or even really good enough frankly if you get into anything beyond mild overclocking. And if you get the 2500K then I will assume you are going to do some real overclocking.

Could you link me to one that is good for OC'ing?
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October 3, 2012 12:03:12 AM

Please read my post again as I had to edit 0 should have been pushed in place of 9
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October 3, 2012 12:04:46 AM

Yea, I would stay away from the MSI 670s but nvidia is also at fault for that, They made the PCB design so pathetic that it can't stand a slight voltage increase and the built up voltage actually destroys the capacitors.
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October 3, 2012 12:05:45 AM

dyc4ha said:
I would take the 7870 build and throw in a 128GB SSD for a boot drive... significantly better performance for the same price as the 670 build. No brainer IMO. Also, you can get a Corsair 650TXv2 PSU for about the same price as the Rosewill with SIGNIFICANTLY better quality.

True, but even with the rebate, I only get around 8.00 less than the rosewill
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October 3, 2012 12:06:43 AM

I would but I know only one person who has one and they do not overclock. Frankly i doubt you would feel the need to overclock the GPU
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October 3, 2012 12:07:13 AM

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GET rid of that 670 it's GARBAGE!!!Read this http://www.tomshardware.com/news/MSI-GTX-660-670-overvo... nvidia scumbag ways!IT MUST BE STOPPED!!!The less who buy the quicker they'll realize there not going to do well the quicker they get off their high horse.

*Looks at rig specs:

Can't tell if troll...or Retarded
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October 3, 2012 12:08:32 AM

I'm sort of leaning towards the 7870 build, but I haven't been given a good enough reason for going towards the 670 one...thread is still open
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October 3, 2012 12:10:05 AM

DanteIsOnFire said:
*Looks at rig specs:

Can't tell if troll...or Retarded

read his other post.
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October 3, 2012 12:10:57 AM

DanteIsOnFire said:
I'm sort of leaning towards the 7870 build, but I haven't been given a good enough reason for going towards the 670 one...thread is still open

any particular reason you are only choosing those 2 gpus?

the 7950 is probably a better buy than either if you want to OC.
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October 3, 2012 12:12:22 AM

But seriously guys, should I spend the extra 100? It does seem worth it, and what manufacturer of card should I get? MSI, Gigabyte, xfx...I read the bench and review on the 670, and wonder if 400 is good for the card.
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October 3, 2012 12:13:06 AM

DanteIsOnFire said:
I'm sort of leaning towards the 7870 build, but I haven't been given a good enough reason for going towards the 670 one...thread is still open


If you are only playing at 1920x1080 a 7870 should be enough hell do that and save the money in 6 months the 7870 will come down even further (at this point they have come down$150 with MIR) save the money and get another when the time is right.
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October 3, 2012 12:13:28 AM

I might get the gigabyte because of the windforce cooler and the good clock speeds.
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October 3, 2012 12:14:06 AM

bigcyco1 said:
Well i got mine before they pulled this crap the ones you'll end up with will be locked

who knows how long they have been doing this though
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October 3, 2012 12:14:56 AM

spentshells said:
If you are only playing at 1920x1080 a 7870 should be enough hell do that and save the money in 6 months the 7870 will come down even further (at this point they have come down$150 with MIR) save the money and get another when the time is right.

Thank you, I will wait 'till Christmas to see if the price for the 7870 drops or if the same happens to the 670. Im just worried that they will become obsolete cards in 2-3 years :( 
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October 3, 2012 12:21:12 AM

DanteIsOnFire said:
Thank you, I will wait 'till Christmas to see if the price for the 7870 drops or if the same happens to the 670. Im just worried that they will become obsolete cards in 2-3 years :( 

everything become obsolete in a few years. Doesn't matter what you buy. The 280 was $650 and powerful 4 years ago but now its performance is about the same as a low end card.
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October 3, 2012 12:21:13 AM

esrever said:
any particular reason you are only choosing those 2 gpus?

the 7950 is probably a better buy than either if you want to OC.

I thought the 7870 ghz would be great for its price, but then reconsidered the 670 because of physx (I know, I know, not may games support it, but ps2 uses it heavily) and the fact that nvidia cards have better drivers and stuff. Forgelight (ps2 engine) utilizes nivida gpu's to their full extent, and I really wanted to use that, at the cost, of course.
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October 3, 2012 12:23:00 AM

wow.. I never imagined this thread would go so long, lol
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October 3, 2012 12:29:58 AM

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GET rid of that 670 it's GARBAGE!!!Read this http://www.tomshardware.com/news/MSI-GTX-660-670-overvo... nvidia scumbag ways!IT MUST BE STOPPED!!!The less who buy the quicker they'll realize there not going to do well the quicker they get off their high horse.


That article is about a specific OC model by MSI, not all 670's. As long as he doesn't get that MSI model, he's fine.
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October 3, 2012 12:31:42 AM

After reading Big's thread, I am considering bumping up my first rig to a 7950 xfx or gtx 660 ti. They both seem like great deals, and the 3gb is impressive.
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October 3, 2012 12:36:12 AM

The 7950 is the way to go over the 660ti. The memory bottleneck on the 660 ti is massive. The 7950 also OCs very well.
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October 3, 2012 12:44:28 AM

yeah, I will go with the 7950, but 2 questions...is 800mhz core clock enough to run stock, what is the better manufacturer (in terms of temps and speed): Sapphire, MSI, Gigabyte (lovin the windforce fans), or XFX?
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October 3, 2012 12:47:47 AM

which would be better in bf3 and borderlands 2, a oc'ed 7950 or a oc'ed gtx 660ti
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October 3, 2012 12:51:54 AM

BigMack70 said:
OC'd 7950 in BF3... results are contradictory on borderlands 2 with PhysX enabled... some sites are saying you need Nvidia for smooth play and some saying you don't.


I bet they have different CPU's in their test systems. Perhaps different core counts make a difference, or clock speeds.
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October 3, 2012 12:59:11 AM

BigMack70 said:
Why are people bashing that PSU? Hardwaresecrets, one of the better PSU review sites, shows that it's awesome. It's plenty for overclocking a 2500k with a single-GPU setup.

If you want more power, I'd recommend corsair's HX750, which is $115 after MIR right now:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

The 670 is 25-30% faster than the 7870. If that's not reason enough to choose that over the 7870, then you don't know what you're doing. If you are wanting to OC your graphics card, you should instead get the 7950 - it's the best overclocking card on the market and will easily beat a 670 when overclocked. You should jump up to the HX750 for overclocking that card, though.

Do I have to overclock every time I play then? Is it still good at stock speeds?
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October 3, 2012 1:00:58 AM

About the 7950, will 3gb vram be useful in a few years, so I don't have to upgrade?
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October 3, 2012 1:03:59 AM

The 7950 and 670 have the same room for OCing, not that either is a bad choice, and the 7950 may be cheaper. With software like MSI afterburner, you can set your OC, which only kicks in while gaming, and never adjust it again.

The 3gb of vram will only come into play when using 3 monitors. Usually, in order to move up in vram usage, you also need to have more gpu power, so it's not likely you'll need more at any point while using that card or the 670, unless you use 3 way sli (at least 2 way).
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October 3, 2012 1:11:43 AM

Lol, lets try to get back to the main topic here.
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October 3, 2012 1:14:26 AM

bystander said:
The 7950 and 670 have the same room for OCing, not that either is a bad choice, and the 7950 may be cheaper. With software like MSI afterburner, you can set your OC, which only kicks in while gaming, and never adjust it again.

The 3gb of vram will only come into play when using 3 monitors. Usually, in order to move up in vram usage, you also need to have more gpu power, so it's not likely you'll need more at any point while using that card or the 670, unless you use 3 way sli (at least 2 way).

So, correct me if i'm wrong, but the 3gb vram is only necessary when going eyefinity, but is not really useful for gaming now and in the future?
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October 3, 2012 1:19:57 AM

That depends on how long you plan to keep the card. Resolutions 1080p and below, even 1440p, 2GB is enough. Although by the time you need more vram, your gpu won't have enough horsepower to run full settings anyway
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October 3, 2012 1:22:00 AM

Unknownvirus said:
That depends on how long you plan to keep the card. Resolutions 1080p and below, even 1440p, 2GB is enough. Although by the time you need more vram, your gpu won't have enough horsepower to run full settings anyway

good point, though I don't believe anyone answered my question about running the 7950 at stock speeds, Is it enough for ultra (60fps) on hd games?
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October 3, 2012 1:27:26 AM

DanteIsOnFire said:
good point, though I don't believe anyone answered my question about running the 7950 at stock speeds, Is it enough for ultra (60fps) on hd games?
not in every game no :)  what games do you plan to play
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October 3, 2012 1:38:52 AM

There is a performance difference between the 7870 and 670, the 670 is faster in everything except for compute. Go with the 670 from Asus or Gigabyte, try to throw in an SSD as well for boot drive
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October 3, 2012 1:44:19 AM

bigcyco1 said:
not in every game no :)  what games do you plan to play

Sorry for late reply, but blacklight retribution, planetside 2 (a lot of it, lol), skyrim, sleeping dogs, minecraft (but that's obvious), gw2 if I get it, and far cry 3 when it comes out.
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October 3, 2012 1:55:30 AM

BigMack70 said:
Oooooooooooh sleeping dogs is nasty to max out. Far Cry 3 might be trouble as well (time will tell). Don't know much about Planetside 2 or Blacklight Retribution myself. Guild Wars 2 will also benefit from an OC'd 7950 over a 670. Any of these cards are overkill for Skyrim.

A *heavily* overclocked 7950 (1100 MHz+) is your best bet IMO. It will outperform even an OC'd 670 unless you get bad luck on your overclock, but it costs $100 less. Of course, if you don't want to overclock a lot, the 670 is the way to go. Stock 7950 won't be enough for what you're wanting to do.

I'd recommend the MSI Twin Frozr for $315:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Thanks a bunch for the reply and suggestion, but will this work too? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Same price, core clock, and it has a windforce cooler, but it's up to me in the end.
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October 3, 2012 1:56:51 AM

Oh, and the whole "7950 boost" feature AMD added, is that considered overclocking? I might prefer to OC my gpu over my cpu if the first is more efficent. I don't like OC'ing two parts at once, I have nightmares about that.
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October 3, 2012 1:59:50 AM

DanteIsOnFire said:
Oh, and the whole "7950 boost" feature AMD added, is that considered overclocking? I might prefer to OC my gpu over my cpu if the first is more efficent. I don't like OC'ing two parts at once, I have nightmares about that.

the boost is pretty much useless if you OC, OC isn't too bad. You should not be afraid as both cpu and gpu have built in mechanisms to stop things from breaking as long as you don't over volt too much. the 2500k should do 4.4ghz easily and the 7950 should so 1100 as well.
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