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November 26, 2012 12:31:33 AM

Approximate Purchase Date:November 30

Budget Range: $150

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming, surfing the internet, watching movies

Are you buying a monitor: No

Parts to Upgrade: CPU, mobo, RAM

Do you need to buy OS: No

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Amazon

Location: Beverly West Virginia (no pc stoes near me)

Parts Preferences: by brand or type :None really

Overclocking: No

SLI or Crossfire: No

Your Monitor Resolution:1680x1050

Additional Comments: Need to get the cpu ram and motherboard for $150 and need to be able to use it while upgrading over time.

And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading: Old pc died after over 6 years

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My case
http://www.apevia.com/ProductsInfo.asp?KEY=ATXA8NW-AL/5...

My psu
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I have all the other parts from my old pc except ram cpu and motherboard. I'm leaning either towards an am3+ mobo and a cheap am3 cpu or an apu and a fm2 mobo. Not eally considering intel because of the weak igp. I need to be able to use my pc asap so putting off for a better discrete gpu is not plausible.

My old pc had an athlon 64 x2 4400+ toledo using a biostar tforce 6100-939 mobo with 3 kingston hyperx 1 gig sticks of ddr ram. So most cpus are a huge upgrade over that. My last full pc build was over 6 years ago. My os is windows xp home 32 bit so i only need 1 4 gig stick of ram right now.

So any recommendations either using am3+ or fm2 would be awesome. Please keep in mind that i'll have to use either the on board graphics of the mobo or the apu's igp for at least a few months before i can afford to do some further upgrades. I do not play high end games and most games i do play i play on the lowest settings and mainly mmorpgs. So i do not need a huge gpu to start with.

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November 26, 2012 12:52:21 AM

Do you have a graphics card? If not, go with an APU. The A10 with as fast a 4GB stick you can find will serve you without need for a graphics card, and it'll play MMOs on medium/high settings.

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November 26, 2012 12:58:25 AM

No i do not at the moment. And the 5800k would eat up my whole budget and i would have nothing left for ram and mobo. I only have $150 to get all 3. Sadly that is my max budget to get my pc up and running. I wish i had more but that is the sad truth. And right now i'm posting via the wifes pc so need to get mine asap lol
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November 26, 2012 1:50:12 AM

Your old PC couldn't handle any gaming, right? I don't think you can get your system back + add gaming capacity for that low budget.

I'd just do this:
CPU: Intel Pentium G860 3.0GHz Dual-Core Processor ($67.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI B75MA-E33 Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($54.98 @ NCIX US)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $142.96

That gets you back running with a nice CPU upgrade and then provides a nice platform to build a solid gaming rig over time. The B75 chipset will allow use of higher end i5/i7 Ivy Bridge processors.

A6-5400K would be the fastest APU you can afford, but it's a pretty low end processor and graphic barely capable of playing games at the lowest resolutions. And the Fm2 chipset limits how high you can upgrade in the future.


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November 26, 2012 2:01:31 AM

how about this? PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Celeron G540 2.5GHz Dual-Core Processor ($44.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Biostar H61MGC Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: AMD Entertainment Edition 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($13.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 6670 1GB Video Card ($52.99 @ Microcenter)
Total: $141.96
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-11-25 23:01 EST-0500)

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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD Athlon II X3 450 3.2GHz Triple-Core Processor ($59.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-78LMT-S2 Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: AMD Entertainment Edition 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($13.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 6670 1GB Video Card ($52.99 @ Microcenter)
Total: $156.96
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-11-25 23:03 EST-0500)
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November 26, 2012 3:15:51 AM

Z1NONLY

I'm buying from amazonso links from there would be more beneficial

BreadWhistle

Same thing amazon links would help out more

twelve25

My old pc could play anygame. It may not of got great fps but it was playable. And the intel path you chose would not game at all without a discrete gpu which is out of my budget sadly

milkshakez7z

I do not live near a micro center and allmyparts will be ordered from amazon. So the prices are a lot different sadly.

I appreciate the help so far guys i really do but some amazon links would be a lot more beneficial since i do not own or use a credit card so will be making purchases via a amazon gift card. And the prices onamazon are a lot higher then neegg. I do wish i had a credit card but sadly i do not and prepaid cards i never have much luck with. So am looking to buy from amazon. I do wish amazon was much easier to navigate when it comes to pc parts. Parts are hard to find there unless you know just what you are searching for.

I am leaning a lot more towards an am3+ build because of the costs plus future upgrades. I am impressed with the fx 6300 and how it beats i3 and almost as good as an i5. Although if i had to i'm sure i could go with a fm2 build. But i'm leery of doing an intel build with my low budget. As i'll never be able to afford most of their better cpus. While the 6300 is only about $139.99 right now on amazon and much closer to what i could afford. To get better then that from intel i'm looking at least another extra $50.

And i loved my athlon 64 x2 4400+. While my luck in the past with intel is not good. My very first pc was an intel pentium 4 that literally burned up in less then a year. Now they have improved since then but there is still that fear you know what i mean when you were burned once? That topped with the weak gpu with intel has me not really wanting to go the intel route. And i really need to have a pc to use asap. Hence why my budget is so low. I mainly just want to get back up and running and have a pc to use while i gradually upgrade it.

Like i said most games i play are mmorpgs and at the lowest possible settings. And most builds are leaps and bounds better then my old build lol So while i game i'm not really playing high end games. Most of them are older mmorpgs or the free to play ones.

The one game i'm looking to play next year is Phantasy star online 2 its system requirements are:

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh113/subarashee/PSO...

Cpu:Intel core duo e6300 or higher
Memory:Xp 1 gig or better windows vista or 7 2 gigsor higher
HDD space:8gigs or higher (ihave thiswith my old 300 gig hard drive
Monitor resolution:1280x720 or higher
Graphics card: Nvidia geforce 7800gt or higher


Not exactly super high. requirements but gives you an idea of what i play. And the basic requirements i need if possible for the $150. I know the ram will run me about $20 for a 4 gig stick of ddr3 ram. So that gives about $130 for cpu and mobo. I never considered a gpu as i know just getting the cpu and mobo for under 130 would be tough enough. And i plan to get a better discrete card before upgrading my cpu. Then i plan to replace my HDD then i hope to get windows 7 or 8 and another 4 gigs of ram. So i really do not need or will ever use a high end cpu. Sorry so long winded. >_<
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November 26, 2012 3:18:21 AM

oxford373

The fm1 socket would leave me with no future upgrade path. Which is why i'm considering the fm2 socket or the am3+ socket.
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November 26, 2012 4:15:58 AM

http://www.amazon.com/AMD-Athlon-640-Processor-ADX640WF...

$80

http://www.amazon.com/AMD-Athlon-450-Processor-ADX450WF...

$60

http://www.amazon.com/AMD-Athlon-455-Processor-ADX455WF...

$76

http://www.amazon.com/AMD-Athlon-Dual-Core-Desktop-Proc...

$50

http://www.amazon.com/AMD-Athlon-260-Processor-ADX260OC...

$58

http://www.amazon.com/AMD-4-Core-Processor-Socket-FD410...

$80

http://www.amazon.com/AMD-A4-5300-3-4Ghz-Processor-AD53...

$53

http://www.amazon.com/AMD-A6-5400K-3-6Ghz-Processor-AD5...

$70

Those are the processors i could find on amazon that i believe are within my price range. Although i may of put some cpus that are not am3/am3+ or fm2. Although those are what i'm considering.An am3+ or fm2 board and a decent cpu to go with it plus 1 4 gig stick of ram. I know amazon is a pain to search so thought i'd make it easier by posting these. If i get time later i'll try to post some mobos.
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November 26, 2012 4:28:02 AM

http://www.amazon.com/MSI-Computer-Corp-760GM-P23-FX/dp...

$40

http://www.amazon.com/FX-Socket-GeForce-Motherboard-N68...

$45

http://www.amazon.com/M5A78L-M-LX-PLUS-Micro-Motherboar...

$45

http://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-SB710-Chipset-Motherboar...

$58

http://www.amazon.com/ASRock-880GM--FX-Micro-Motherboar...

$60

http://www.amazon.com/MSI-Socket-Motherboard-880GMS-E41...

$60

http://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-Socket-AMD-FM1-Motherboa...

$70

There may be others on amazon but these are the ones i found with a short search And so i'm posting them to help make it a bit easier to choose. And i chose msi asus and gigabyte and asrock as they seem popular brand recommends. But i'm open to suggestions. If you find others or know the links please post them. And a good recommendation on ram would be nice as well.

Edited to add if one of these mobos is not am3+ or fm2 and not compatible with either one please feel free to let me know which one so i can remove it.
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November 26, 2012 4:46:27 AM

What video card did you use on your old system that could game? Just move that card over.

And you are linking to AM3+ motherboards with far worse graphics than what comes on the Pentium G series chips.


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November 26, 2012 5:10:01 AM

So you are saying that intel's built in gpu is better then a low end radeon cards (which is what a few of those motherboards had ati 3000 series)? And i had a hd 6450 but sold it for extra cash to get the components for this rebuild. Before that i used a geforce 6100 that was built into my mobo for close to 5 years.

I will honestly admit i'm not knowledgeable about graphics cards. I probably know less then a novice about them. Outside of knowing many are expensive. :p  And those are ones i found on amazon. If some one can post a better mobo in my price range from there please do. You have to keep in mind my last build was over 6 years ago.
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November 26, 2012 5:22:58 AM

zolton33 said:
So you are saying that intel's built in gpu is better then a low end radeon cards (which is what a few of those motherboards had ati 3000 series)? And i had a hd 6450 but sold it for extra cash to get the components for this rebuild. Before that i used a geforce 6100 that was built into my mobo for close to 5 years.
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Yes. The graphics built into Sandy Bridge CPUs are easily 5-10x (or more) faster than the onboard chipsets like the Radeon 3000 and GeForce 6100, but about half to 1/3 as fast as what comes on the higher end AMD APU.

If you were gaming on the 4400+/Geforce 6100 and satisfied, you will be fine literally running ANYTHING.

It sounded like you wanted to grow into a serious gaming rig, which is why I suggested the Ivy Bridge board which allows the addition of a high end graphics and processor at a later date. If you just want something to knock the pants off that old setup, the A6-5400K, a cheap FM2 MB and 4GB of RAM will do that, but the FM2 socket is not really built for high end and will limit future growth into a high end setup.
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November 26, 2012 5:28:34 AM

Or here's the older FM1 APUs, but a higher end quad core, which should be considerably faster. Fm2 isn't going to have a huge upgrade path anyway, so no use getting a much slower processor just to go fm2:

CPU: AMD A6-3650 2.6GHz Quad-Core Processor ($81.57 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI A55M-P33 Micro ATX FM1 Motherboard ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Kingston 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($21.58 @ Amazon)
Total: $133.14

Amazon does have that board for $45, but newegg has a rebate making it $30.
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November 26, 2012 5:33:21 AM

And just to show point of reference. The Pentium G dual cores I mentioned earlier have same graphics as the i3-2120 here.

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November 26, 2012 5:37:02 AM

http://www.amazon.com/FX-Socket-GeForce-Motherboard-N68...

That has NVIDIA GeForce 7025 built in for $45.

and

http://www.amazon.com/ASRock-880GM--FX-Micro-Motherboar...


Has ATI Radeon HD 4250 $60

All the others have ati 3000 in them minus the fm2 socket which gets it from the cpu. So those two boards i just posted i'm interested in just because of the on board graphics alone. And are a decent point. And remember i used a geforce 6100 for 5 years lol So those 2 are a huge step up from that although i'm unsure how they compare to the hd 6450 iuse to have.
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November 26, 2012 5:44:49 AM

Those onboard chips aren't comparable to anything that comes in card form or built into a processor. They suck, flat out, and shouldn't be considered usable for any 3D game that has been released in the past 5-7 years.

There aren't game benchmarks for those, but passmark has synthetic benchmarks which can provide some point of reference. The 7025 scores a 24. The 4250 scores a 125, Radeon 6450 is about 300. Intel Graphics built into lower end Sandy Bridge gets about 260-300. The 6530D on the A6-3650 is 540. A nice $120 Radeon 7770 card gets 2200, which is what I would consider the starting point for a serious gaming rig.

So, again, pretend those motherboard graphics don't exist. You only want something built into a processor or on its own card. Most games can even use those low end built in graphics, they are below the minimum specs.
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November 26, 2012 5:49:18 AM

My problem with intel is their high prices. They rarely drop prices unless forced to. So i do not see me getting an i5 unless it drops about half its price to be honest. The fm2 has at least the next new line of mad processors coming when they release. So there will be a few cpus i'm sure that will be close to the i3 with better graphics thea10-5800k performs just a bit less then an i3 now.

And yeah i'm pretty easy to please pc wise. I was pretty content with my old 4400+ and the geforce 6100 i only added a discrete gpu as my on board gpu was starting to go it would cause my monitor to go black for a few seconds then come back. So i bought the 6450 to get around that.

I'd love to have a suped up system but i'm realistic and know it would be tough if not impossible to get for under $150. I mainly need a pc so i can get off the wifes lol. Although i'd like to get the best bang for the buck i can. And i would love to get a 6300 in the near future its not bad at its $139.99 price tag. And by the time i'd upgrade it would probably even be cheaper.

I know that intel is the best high end. |But their higher prices really make me leery of them.
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November 26, 2012 5:58:05 AM

To be honest i have never cared for fps personally. My geforce 6100 played just about every game i threw at it. That includes WOW everquest and Everquest 2 just to name a few. Those will play games on the lowest settings i'm sure. As most mmorpgs do not have real high requirements. And i'd rather avoid the dead ended fm1 socket. As when i do want to upgrade later i'd need a whole new cpu and mobo. So i'd rather not go down the fm1 path unless i absolutely have to.
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November 26, 2012 6:03:31 AM

You are a bit frustrating to help! I've given you more info than I should have because you've already made up your mind on inferior solutions.



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November 26, 2012 6:08:39 AM

twelve25

I'm just not an intel fan hence why i asked for fm2 or am3+ recommends. I'm not trying to be frustrating on purpose i assure you. And i just like amd better to be honest. For some reason i like to root for the under dog. I am leaning towards an am3+ build to be honest. But a fm2 build has some real good points as well.
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November 26, 2012 6:09:12 AM

twelve25 said:
You are a bit frustrating to help! I've given you more info than I should have because you've already made up your mind on inferior solutions.


Yeah, I helped him on another thread and yet he flamed me and called me a liar when I told him that the G860 H61 motherboard build would be best.

This is more like of an assurance topic.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/372337-31-rebuild-ple...

I didn't want to butt in here but it's obvious that he has his mind made up and is just wasting your time.
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November 26, 2012 6:15:56 AM

Just thought i'd add i do plan to do a gpu upgrade in the future though. I found out how useful they were when i upgraded my 6100 to a 6450 lol so i will be upgrading the gpu for sure and eventually the cpu as well. But i need a pc i can use until then. As long as it will allow me to play phantasy star online 2 when it comes out i'm cool with it. But its not to be released until some time next year. So hopefully i have time to upgrade the gpu before release. But right now the biggest baddest game i am playing? Runescape.....
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November 26, 2012 6:19:32 AM

cutebeans

Really you are still not banned yet for all your hate posts that were clearly against the rules? And you are the one who tried to say that there were no alternatives to an intel build?

That is ok i'm sure a moderator missed your post. Do not worry though i'm emailing them now to bring you to their attention.
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November 26, 2012 6:34:35 AM

I'm looking for some recommends with an am3+ build or an fm2 build. Its clearly stated in the first post:


"I'm leaning either towards an am3+ mobo and a cheap am3 cpu or an apu and a fm2 mobo. Not eally considering intel because of the weak igp"

And you are implying i have a build picked out already. I do not. I'm still working out which cpu and which mobo to get. And looking for the best possible combo. hence the topic in the first place. >_<
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November 26, 2012 11:05:53 AM

So what would you recommend within an am3+ build? an fx 4100 (about $80) or an athlon x4? or a much cheaper athlon 2? And how about motherboards? And could i squeeze in a decent gpu going with a cheap mobo and cpu? I know most are saying to go with intel but the prices are so close to each other and future intel upgrades a lot more expensive. So i'd rather go the cheaper amd route.
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November 26, 2012 7:47:23 PM

So what cpu and what motherboard? And would i have enough left over for a gpu? I never considered it earlier as i know it will be tough to get a cpu and mobo alone for $130 let alone trying to fit in a gpu as well.
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November 26, 2012 9:41:40 PM

I may be able to jump my budget up to $200 for mobo cpu and ram. Subtracting $20 for a 1 4 gig stick of ram would leave me a total of $180 to get the cpu mobo and maybe a gpu. So could i do better upping my total costs up to $200? And would this up my performance dramatically? With this i may be willing to go with intel. But i'm not sure yet on intel. I'm just afraid of the much higher upgrade costs later on when amd is cheaper and suits my needs. So ant recommends?
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November 27, 2012 12:22:11 AM

Why is asking for help with builds here any more a lot like pulling your own teeth with spoons? I can see many threads posted where you can barely understand what the person posted. As well as those that give almost no information on what their budget is. And those get responses.

But when i post a topic with all the information and even links to the information so no searching needed i hear crickets. 0_o And when i do get a response the person posting has not even bother to read the topic. >_< How exactly are you meant to get help on here?

Do i need to make my posts read like a third grader posted it? Do i need to make sacrifices to some divine being i don't know? What exactly am i meant to do to get help on here? I'm at a loss. I try to give all the important information that is needed to get a recommendation. But even doing that and requesting an am3+ build or a fm2 build i get instead spammed with intel recommend builds that take over the whole thread and go for many posts. And still nothing is solved.

And this is my second thread taken over and spammed with mainly intel recommends despite requesting am3+ and fm2 builds. Am i meant to spam threads until i find some one that actually reads the posts before recommending the one thing that was asked not to be recommended? I'm just at a loss for what to do to actually get help.
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November 27, 2012 12:49:58 AM

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD Athlon II X2 270 3.4GHz Dual-Core Processor ($52.42 @ Compuvest)
Motherboard: MSI 760GM-P23 (FX) Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: AMD Entertainment Edition 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($9.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 6670 1GB Video Card ($50.60 @ NCIX US)
Total: $142.99
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-11-26 21:49 EST-0500)

No need to waste too much money. The 6670 would be getting you everything at high since you don't seem to have a 1080p monitor.

A stick of ram luckily only costs $10 now.
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November 27, 2012 1:52:58 AM

cutebeans said:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD Athlon II X2 270 3.4GHz Dual-Core Processor ($52.42 @ Compuvest)
Motherboard: MSI 760GM-P23 (FX) Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: AMD Entertainment Edition 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($9.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 6670 1GB Video Card ($50.60 @ NCIX US)
Total: $142.99
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-11-26 21:49 EST-0500)

No need to waste too much money. The 6670 would be getting you everything at high since you don't seem to have a 1080p monitor.

A stick of ram luckily only costs $10 now.

this build above is fantastic for the money. you could however swap out the athlon x2 with an fx 4100 and still be close to your budget.
the 6670 is a fantastic budget card that can even handle 1080p games at low settings . go for this build no further arguments
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November 27, 2012 2:44:00 AM

@OP,if I were you I would buy the best bang for buck build now then I'll upgrade later graphics card, and next year ill upgrade CPU to core i5 haswell if necessary.
in most games A8-3850/A8-3870K won't bottleneck,in sub-200 game OFF article A8-3870K was 35% slower than i5 in tow(SCII,skyrim) games and 10%-20% in other games , so in most games it won't be bottleneck and you won't notice any difference.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-fx-pentium-a...
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-fx-pentium-a...
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-fx-pentium-a...
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-fx-pentium-a...
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November 27, 2012 3:13:02 AM

intel build for 150$ http://pcpartpicker.com/p/pJPN
CPU: core i3-2105 this CPU come with intel HD3000 IGP which can run games faster than HD2000 that come with i3-2100
newegg http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
motherboard:msi H61
amazon http://www.amazon.com/dp/B008VFL6L8/?tag=pcpapi-20
newegg http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
RAM:2X2GB
newegg http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
amazon http://www.amazon.com/dp/B006YG92QM/?tag=pcpapi-20
intel build for 200$ http://pcpartpicker.com/p/pJSG
CPU: i3-2100
amazon http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004JEVGMO/?tag=pcpapi-20
motherboard:msi H61
amazon http://www.amazon.com/dp/B008VFL6L8/?tag=pcpapi-20
newegg http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
RAM:2X2GB
newegg http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
amazon http://www.amazon.com/dp/B006YG92QM/?tag=pcpapi-20
graphics card:hd 6670 1GB GDDR5
newegg http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
amazon http://www.amazon.com/HIS-Radeon-128bit-Express-H667FS1...
AMD build for 200$ http://pcpartpicker.com/p/pK3y
CPU: phenom II 965
newegg http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
amazon http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002SRQ214/?tag=pcpapi-20
mother board :msi 970
newegg http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
RAM:2X2GB
newegg http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
amazon http://www.amazon.com/dp/B006YG92QM/?tag=pcpapi-20
graphics card:hd 6670
newegg http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
amazon http://www.amazon.com/HIS-Radeon-128bit-Express-H667FS1...
FM2 AMD build http://pcpartpicker.com/p/pL7R
CPU: A10-5800K
newegg http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
amazon http://www.amazon.com/AMD-A10-5800K-3-8Ghz-Processor-AD...
motherboard:A55-FM2
amazon http://www.amazon.com/MSI-MicroATX-DDR3-Motherboards-FM...
newegg http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
RAM:2X2 GB 1600
newegg http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
amazon http://www.amazon.com/dp/B006YG92QM/?tag=pcpapi-20
most parts prices include shipping.
what I meant when I suggested to buy the best parts possible now then upgrade later to Haswell is,it doesn't make a sense to buy bad parts just because you want your motherboard to support next gen processors because:
1)motherboards prices are cheap ,good motherboards prices start at 80$.
2)DDR3 memory is very cheap start at 20$ per 4GB
3)A8-5800K or phenom II 965(especially after overclocking) or i3-2100 won't be bottleneck at all for any single graphics card IMO.
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November 27, 2012 3:14:13 AM

oxford373 said:
intel build for 150$ http://pcpartpicker.com/p/pJPN
CPU: core i3-2105 this CPU come with intel HD3000 IGP which can run games faster than HD2000 that come with i3-2100
motherboard:msi H61
RAM:2X2GB
intel build for 200$ http://pcpartpicker.com/p/pJSG
CPU: i3-2100
motherboard:msi H61
RAM:2X2GB
graphics card:hd 6670 1GB GDDR5


Grabs popcorn.
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November 27, 2012 5:46:17 AM

oxford373

Haswell is going to be a whole new socket from what i've seen of it the new socket is to be 1150. Meaning the 1155 the last possible upgrade is the i5 and i7 ivy bridge line. Hence why i'm leaning more towards the am3+ socket and the fm2. These two have at least one more new architecture coming from amd.

cutebeans

While i appreciate you making a post with a good recommendation there really is no need to try to make posts such as "grabs popcorn". I do wish you had read my posts though and saw that my purchases would need to be made from amazon though. Although i may of found a way to make my purchase from newegg. But i follow an old motto of hope for the best but prepare for the worst. So i'm still concentrating on amazon for now. But if i'm able to make my purchase from newegg i'd save some money as amazon at times is much higher in price.

I do like the low costs of the build so far. but the prices do not reflect on newegg or amazon sadly. The gpu is around $90 alone on newegg. The total costs from amazon is $184 plus shipping. on newegg the cpu and video card is $150 add 40 for the mobo that is $190 and not even including the ram which will be close to $20 making the whole price $210 plus shipping. I'd still like to keep the price at or below $150 as much as possible.
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November 27, 2012 5:51:41 AM

Just order it from the sites PCpartpicker listed :D  SOLVED!
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November 27, 2012 6:31:28 AM

Not really i like to order from companies i've dealt with in the past and trust. Although i did play around with pcpartpicker a bit and came up with this so far:

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/pLcC

I'm also considering the 6570 over the 6670 you recommended simply because its cheaper. I'd like to go cheaper then the $166.56 especially considering i'm planning to upgrade the cpu and gpu as soon as i can. Although i plan to upgrade my 6 year old hdd and windows xp first before the gpu.

Then i'm planning to upgrade the gpu then finally the cpu. Right now with a am3+ build the highest i'm aiming is the fx 6300. Unless amds newer line later down the road has a better option. So just looking for a gpu that will allow me to game a small bit until then. The 6450 i had before did just fine. So some thing around it or possibly cheaper is what i'm looking for. And maybe even a nvidia card if i can get a better cheaper card going that route.

Like i said the biggest baddest game i plan to play right now is Phantasy Star Online 2. And the game i'm playing right now is Runescape. Neither one is to graphics intensive. And i only really play mmo's and not many of them are to graphics intensive. So looking to go as cheap as possible with a gpu.
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November 27, 2012 9:47:12 AM

Total of build i put is $180 http://pcpartpicker.com/p/pLcC so i would really love to get it down cheaper if possible (i do not ever count on rebates and such). So any other recommends?
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November 27, 2012 11:46:07 AM

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/pM7Y

An intel build i'm considering and kicking around the idea of. I do like this cheaper price. $135.53.

Although i'm a complete noob when it comes to gpus but i did find a few 1 gig memory ones for pretty cheap on newegg.

Most under $50 and a few much cheaper.

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/zotac-video-card-zt6060210...

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-video-card-gvr545...

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/galaxy-video-card-61tgs4hx...

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/ecs-video-card-ngt520c1gqm...

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-video-card-01gp31335k...

Just a few cards i'm considering. I like the price of the $29.99: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/zotac-video-card-zt6060210... If that would serve my needs i'd much rather go that cheap to be honest. Just trying to go as cheap as possible as i'm going to be replacing the gpu any way in a few months.
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November 27, 2012 8:19:22 PM

That 610 card, let's just say is, well, for light usage. Gaming? Nope. Videos? Maybe. It's a weak card. Out of all the video cards, you listed, the 630 is the best, but it's still a terrible card for gaming.
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November 27, 2012 10:37:11 PM

My gaming is light gaming meaning i go for the lowest possible settings any way. And i'm trying not to put much money into a gpu i'll be switching out in a few short months any way. I'm not looking to max out setting or get killer fps rates. I'm only looking for a decent card that will allow me to play Phantasy star online 2 (Nvidia geforce 7800gt or higher ). Now keep in mind my 6450 played phantasy star online 2 fine.
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November 27, 2012 11:13:50 PM

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/pLby

I thought it over and this is what i'm seriously considering going with. Grand total? $117.97 . |Now i'm just considering what to do gpu wise. Like i keep saying i want to spend as little as possible especially on the gpu. As i plan to upgrade it in a few months.

The only 2 games i'm playing for any foreseeable future is Runescape and Phantasy Star Online 2. So nothing to graphics intensive. And my old 6450 1gb played both of these fine. If the on board ATI Radeon 3000 can handle this then i'd do without a gpu at all. Unless i can get a cheap gpu with some huge gains. Considering these are the only 2 games i'm playing and that i plan to upgrade to a much better gpu later on what graphics card would you recommend? Or would i be fine with the on board graphics?
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November 27, 2012 11:15:42 PM

zolton33 said:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/pLby

I thought it over and this is what i'm seriously considering going with. Grand total? $117.97 . |Now i'm just considering what to do gpu wise. Like i keep saying i want to spend as little as possible especially on the gpu. As i plan to upgrade it in a few months.

The only 2 games i'm playing for any foreseeable future is Runescape and Phantasy Star Online 2. So nothing to graphics intensive. And my old 6450 1gb played both of these fine. If the on board ATI Radeon 3000 can handle this then i'd do without a gpu at all. Unless i can get a cheap gpu with some huge gains. Considering these are the only 2 games i'm playing and that i plan to upgrade to a much better gpu later on what graphics card would you recommend? Or would i be fine with the on board graphics?


pentium i chose vs athlon you chose

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/190?vs=406
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November 27, 2012 11:24:51 PM

guerrero

I do not plan to stay with the athlon cpu forever and plan to upgrade to a FX 6300 asap. Which for its $139.99 price tag is a great cpu. It may not beat i5's but its not far behind them and performs better then i3's. So is more within my price range. To get better i'd need a much more expensive i5. Plus with the AM3|||+ socket there is at least 1 more architecture coming that is set to improve above the fx 6300 series chips.

I'm not very confident in intel lowering the prices on their cpus very much. And its why i'm wanting to go with an amd build. Plus add to that the first pc i ever built was an intel pentium 4 that died within a year and took the motherboard with it. So i feel more confident with an amd cpu. My old one that just died after 6-7 years was an athlon 64 x2 4400+. So i'd rather trust a brand i've seen last longer then a year.
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November 28, 2012 12:13:46 AM

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/pSAD

That is the full build i'm considering. I'd rather not go that high unless absolutely necessary. I'd rather go much cheaper with the gpu if possible. But unless some one has some recommended changes this will be what i'll order. This gpu though seems more beefy then i'll need right away though. And i'm unsure when i'd need to upgrade it though. Although if i would not need to upgrade for quite a while it would be worth the extra bit now.
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November 28, 2012 1:06:36 AM

zolton33 said:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/pSAD

That is the full build i'm considering. I'd rather not go that high unless absolutely necessary. I'd rather go much cheaper with the gpu if possible. But unless some one has some recommended changes this will be what i'll order. This gpu though seems more beefy then i'll need right away though. And i'm unsure when i'd need to upgrade it though. Although if i would not need to upgrade for quite a while it would be worth the extra bit now.

Seems good, will do fine for you while you wait for upgrades ^_^
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