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November 28, 2012 4:10:53 AM

Hey Guys
I'm planning a new build and i would like some opinions on my part choice, reliability of parts, better builds and overall advice.
Here are my current choices.

Enermax Revolution 87+ 1000W 80Plus Gold
Intel Core i7 3930K
ASUS P9X79 Deluxe Motherboard
G.Skill Ripjaws Z F3-17000CL9Q-16GBZH 16GB (4x4GB) DDR3
Enermax Fulmo GT Big Tower Case
Corsair Hydro Series H100 CPU Cooler
+ My old GTX 570 (upgrade in the future to a 680 and i want to put an arctic gpu coller on it)

I have 2 120gb ssds that will go in raid
5 HDDs for storage
1 ssd to install steam on


Overall price should be hovering around the $2000 mark.

I want a machine that will max out any game on the market for the foreseeable future and I'll be doing more than just gaming like video rendering videos and Photoshop etc. Is it worth going 2011? I went with an out dated chip set when i bought my 1366 rig and that was a big mistake. so i would rather not go with 1155 if its going to be outdated a year from now.

Any advice is appreciated... Thanks :) 
November 28, 2012 5:29:56 AM

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/552?vs=551 <------ Intel Core i7 3930K - 3.2GHz vs Intel Core i7 3770K - 3.5GHz


Take a look at that page and look at the gaming benches (middle of that page on down) then take a look at the power consumption under load bench towards the bottom of that page. Now ask yourself what a $570 cpu gets you vs a $330 cpu or better yet a $230 cpu seeing how the 3570K runs pretty much dead even with the 3770K. A 570 cannot max out today games since you already have drives and ssd here my suggestion http://pcpartpicker.com/p/pVgr
November 28, 2012 5:52:48 AM

Now here's a build that can take on the toughest game out there at 2560X1600 resolution and kick out 70 Frames Per Second with all options MAXED.

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/pVop
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/pVop/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/pVop/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($297.28 @ TigerDirect)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($25.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD5H ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($179.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Patriot Intel Extreme Master, Limited Ed 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($57.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card (CrossFire) ($279.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card (CrossFire) ($279.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card (CrossFire) ($279.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Enermax Fulmo GT (Black) ATX Full Tower Case ($159.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Kingwin Lazer Platinum 1000W 80 PLUS Platinum Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($172.49 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: LG UH12NS29 Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1768.69
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-11-28 02:54 EST-0500)

Here's the review:

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/radeon_hd_7950_cro...

This set up will do what it takes, even with an awesome 2560X1600 display. If yours is only a 1920X1200 or so, you are guarenteed 100 FPS on EVERYTHING.
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November 28, 2012 5:56:27 AM

Thanks for your reply.

Yeah that confirmed my suspicions that 2011 just wasn't worth the hefty price tag.

I like your build but i'm partial to close loop water cooling instead of big bulky air coolers for the CPU. What do you think?

Also wouldn't it be better to spend $600 on a GTX 680 and overclock instead of sli GTX 670s for $850?
November 28, 2012 6:06:27 AM

m44matt said:
Thanks for your reply.

Yeah that confirmed my suspicions that 2011 just wasn't worth the hefty price tag.

I like your build but i'm partial to close loop water cooling instead of big bulky air coolers for the CPU. What do you think?

Also wouldn't it be better to spend $600 on a GTX 680 and overclock instead of sli GTX 670s for $850?


Air coolers are much more simple. The extra cost and hassle of water coolers aren't needed with gaming because the CPU isn't the bottle neck.

For graphics, no a 680 isn't better than SLI 670's. They scale nearly 80%

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/geforce_gtx_670_2_...

As you can see, a single 670 is brought to its knees by the Metro 2033 and other games. The 680 is maybe 10% faster.

Note that even though the 7950 is cheaper by a good $50 each than the 670, it gives better performance.
November 28, 2012 6:10:15 AM

I can max all games out i have two 670's with one 670 or 680 or 7950 you won't max all games out some you can though the 680 is only 7% faster then a 670 hardly worth the extra cost imo.
November 28, 2012 6:12:34 AM

I've never SLI'ed before, how exactly do you do it apart from inserting both cards and bridging them?

Also how does it increase performance?

Thank you so much for your advice. Greatly appreciated. I've already scraped my last build and i'm using most of your suggestions on my new one
November 28, 2012 6:20:38 AM

Also what do you guys think of this board
ASUS Maximus V Formula Motherboard
November 28, 2012 6:20:51 AM

I have two MSI PE 670 i am pretty happy with them.MSI's GTX 670 Power Edition uses the famous Twin Frozr IV cooler from the MSI Lightning and comes with a large clock speed boost out of the box, making its default clock speed even higher than GTX 680 stock clocks. MSI is asking a $30 price premium for their card, which doesn't look unreasonable, given the improved cooling and higher clocks. From best to worst from techpowerup

Asus 670 TOP - 10.0 rating (only card ever to get a 10.0)
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GeForce_GTX_670...

Gigabyte Windforce SC 670 - 9.8 rating
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Gigabyte/GeForce_GTX...
MSI Twin Frozr IV 670 - 9.7 rating
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_670_Power_Ed...

Palit Jetsteram 670 - 97 rating
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Palit/GeForce_GTX_67...

Zotac AMP 670 - 9.6 rating
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Zotac/GeForce_GTX_67...

They didn't do the EVGA so.....

http://www.guru3d.com/article/evga-geforce-gtx-670-sc-r...
EVGA SC Boost Clock is 1046 outta the box....stable at 1200 Mhz
EVGA SC gets 3DMark Score of 8691 outta the box and 9443 OC'd
Idle temp is 29C / load temp is 78C
Noise is 37 dBA Idle / 43 dBA under load

http://www.guru3d.com/article/asus-geforce-gtx-670-dire...
Asus TOP Boost Clock is 1137 outta the box .... stable at 1280 Mhz
Asus gets 3DMark Score of 9340 outta the box and 9839 OC'd
Idle temp is 30C / load temp is 72C
Noise is 37 dBA Idle / 38 dBA under load

That makes the Asus 7% faster outta the box than the EVGA SC, 6C cooler and almost 1/4 as loud under load (every 3 dBA is a doubling of sound level). The FTW is slightly faster than the SC, leaving the Asus model w/ just a 5% performance advantage
November 28, 2012 6:22:13 AM

All you do is plug in two boards and the bridge and the software does the rest. You need to be sure to set it properly, IE enable the second GPU.

The way it works is one board is the master, the second, the slave. Normally they will do alternate frames, that is, the master board will do the odd frames, the slave, the evens. As the slave does each even frame it will pass it on to the master. The master will render its own odd frame and send both the odd and even frames out. This is why you can never get fully 100% faster with dual GPU's, the master always does a bit more work. But the hardware and software is getting better and better and now it can be as high as 90+%
November 28, 2012 6:23:27 AM

m44matt said:
I've never SLI'ed before, how exactly do you do it apart from inserting both cards and bridging them?

Also how does it increase performance?

Thank you so much for your advice. Greatly appreciated. I've already scraped my last build and i'm using most of your suggestions on my new one
This should help it's easy if you don't understand after reading it let me know. :)  http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/geforce_gtx_670_2_...
November 28, 2012 6:25:46 AM

m44matt said:
Also what do you guys think of this board
ASUS Maximus V Formula Motherboard
Awesome motherboard my cousin has it.Very sexy beast of a board :D 
November 28, 2012 6:29:41 AM

babernet_1 said:
All you do is plug in two boards and the bridge and the software does the rest. You need to be sure to set it properly, IE enable the second GPU.

The way it works is one board is the master, the second, the slave. Normally they will do alternate frames, that is, the master board will do the odd frames, the slave, the evens. As the slave does each even frame it will pass it on to the master. The master will render its own odd frame and send both the odd and even frames out. This is why you can never get fully 100% faster with dual GPU's, the master always does a bit more work. But the hardware and software is getting better and better and now it can be as high as 90+%


Wow ok thats pretty cool.

I'm now torn between these 2 cards.


2x Gigabyte GeForce GTX 670 Overclocked 2GB - http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...

or

2x ASUS GeForce GTX 670 DirectCU II - http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...

Thoughts?
November 28, 2012 6:30:35 AM

bigcyco1 said:
Awesome motherboard my cousin has it.Very sexy beast of a board :D 


Hahaha Cool :) 
November 28, 2012 6:34:22 AM

I am a Asus fan so of course i vote asus lol.And the reviews claim the Asus 670 is best.
November 28, 2012 6:38:08 AM

m44matt said:
Also what do you guys think of this board
ASUS Maximus V Formula Motherboard


Not the best for SLI/CrossFire

Note there are 3 PCI Express slots that work this way:

One is full X 16 throughput

Two is X 8 throughput for each one

Three is X 8 for one and X 4 for the other two And it costs $280.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
GIGABYTE G1.Sniper 3 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Extended ATX Intel Motherboard

This costs $250 and has four PCI Express slots (for video cards) that give you a full X 16 speed for the first two, and X 8 for that last two.
November 28, 2012 6:46:56 AM

babernet_1 said:
The Gigabyte is ten bucks cheaper and 7% faster. Just saying.
lets see some proof of those claims no blanket statements :lol:  ;) 
November 28, 2012 7:39:08 AM

bigcyco1 said:
lets see some proof of those claims no blanket statements :lol:  ;) 


It isn't a blanket statement.
It's clearly listed on the product pages baber quoted.
November 28, 2012 7:44:14 AM

aramisathei said:
It isn't a blanket statement.
It's clearly listed on the product pages baber quoted.
I will believe it when professional review sites claim it.I try both cards before it's not faster ;)  both are great cards though. :) 
November 29, 2012 1:10:07 AM

Hey Guys, here is the new build and would like a few tech questions answered :) 

- Intel Core i7 3770K
- ASUS Maximus V Formula Motherboard or ASUS P8Z77-V-PRO Thunderbolt Motherboard
- Enermax Fulmo GT Big Tower Case - (This case for the cable management, airflow and large amount of HDD space, will take other suggestions)
- G.Skill Ares F3-2133C11Q-16GAO 16GB (4x4GB) DDR3
- Corsair Hydro Series H80 CPU Cooler
- 2x ASUS GeForce GTX 670 DirectCU II
- Enermax Revolution 87+ 1000W 80Plus Gold


Now In regards to the motherboard. I need one to support SLI obviously but with 2 PCIe slots at 16x speed. Does this board do it or can you suggest a better one. (i want to stay with ASUS for the board)

Also how many SLI Bridges do i need to connect the cards? 1 or 2?

Money really isn't top priority. A solidly fast and compatible system that will last is the main focus. I don't mind spending a little extra or saving a little haha.

Any help is appreciated. Thanks :) 
November 29, 2012 1:44:04 AM

ASUS P8Z77-V PREMIUM LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with Thunderbolt

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

This can do dual X16 but costs $450.


ASUS P8Z77 WS LGA 1155 Intel Z77 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

This also can do it but costs only $350.


GIGABYTE G1.Sniper 3 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Extended ATX Intel Motherboard

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

This Gigabyte can do X16 X16 and costs only $250.


ECS Golden Z77H2-AX(1.0) LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

This one costs only $220 and has three PCI E with dual at X16 both.
November 29, 2012 2:24:43 AM

2821130,25,1200240 said:
ASUS P8Z77-V PREMIUM LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with Thunderbolt

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

This can do dual X16 but costs $450.


ASUS P8Z77 WS LGA 1155 Intel Z77 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

This also can do it but costs only $350.


GIGABYTE G1.Sniper 3 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Extended ATX Intel Motherboard

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

This Gigabyte can do X16 X16 and costs only $250.


Yeah I've been looking at the ASUS P8Z77 WS

I dont want to go gigabyte because i've had a 2 shoddy boards from them and ASUS has treated me well over the years.

In your opinion would dual 16x make a difference over dual 8x with the GTX670's SLI
November 29, 2012 3:12:00 AM

Yes, I read up on bigcyco1's article and it confirms what I felt. The PCI E 3.0 X16 and X8 only vary by 1%, but the PCI 3.0 X4 drops a good 5% in 680's but only 2% in 7970's.

Since you are using Nvidia's, you should go with PCI 3.0 X 8 at minimum. Which, fortunately, virtually all the boards can do.
November 29, 2012 4:03:14 AM

Cool i can save a bit of cash on the Mobo then hehe. Thanks guys
November 29, 2012 4:10:49 AM

Your welcome!
November 29, 2012 4:15:46 AM

what do you think of the rest of the build

and how about the ASUS Sabertooth Z77
!