7950 Poor Performance?

Been looking around for any help regarding this.

I have a Sapphire 7950 OC @ 900/1250. In game, specifically Battlefield 3, I get lowsy frames. On Ultra I get 40 - 50, and on Low I get 40 - 50 fps. There must be a reason for this.

Side note: When I installed drivers, it said something like "Installation complete. (errors occurred during install)"

I tried new drivers and each time it says the same thing. Could this be the problem?

Any help would be appreciated, thanks.
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  1. Try making a clean installation of your driver?
  2. Well here is how I always install my drivers:

    1) Express uninstall all ATI Software.
    2) Restart.
    3) Use Driver Sweeper to remove all remnants.
    4) Restart/Reinstall.

    Tried 3 times now and same result each time.

    Oh, here is an imgur album of some screenshots. FRAPS fps in top left. And CCC on the right showing activity/clocks. http://imgur.com/a/fwE9R
  3. Anyone have any ideas?
  4. Full Specs?
  5. The error usually if u already installed C#2010 (sp1)... so it not installed again...
    or about dot net framework 4.0/4.5...

    had u installed application profiles (CAP)?
  6. Specs:

    AMD 965BE @ 3.4ghz

    DDR2 4GB @800mhz

    ASUS M4A78E Motherboard

    800W Orion PSU

    320GB 7200 RPM WD Blue (OS)

    Windows 7 (SP1)

    Sapphire HD7950 OC Edition (900mhz Core/1250 Memory)

    @rdc85 http://imgur.com/8XDzJ

    What do you mean (CAP)?
  7. Try Driver Fusion instead of Driver Sweeper. It's a much newer version and is more effective. CAPs are Catalyst Application Profiles and are kinda like mid-driver hot fixes for games.
  8. the 965BE isn't really on par with the 7950
    could you tell us what cpu cooler you are using
  9. devilofdeaths said:
    the 965BE isn't really on par with the 7950
    could you tell us what cpu cooler you are using


    You really are limiting your 7950 with a 965BE and DDR2 ram. If you can I would get a new mainboard and some good DDR3 ram. If it were me that is what I would do. I know a lot of people on this forum are going to tell you to scrap it and go intel but no matter how you look at you are going to be out more money and really with a new mainboard and DDR3 you could have a really good setup.

    With a new mainboard you can easily go with a better CPU later on down the road.

    With my AMD FX-8120/Sapphire HD 7950 rig I have no problems with 60fps on 1080p/ultra and given the fact that my Asus 27" monitors only do 60Hz that is about as good as I could get anyway.
  10. @Bryon

    I had a 5850 before this, and got +60 fps on medium - high settings. With everything on low, the 7950 doesn't even break 50 fps.

    @Devilofdeaths

    Can't remember the name but my CPU never goes above 50 C load / 30 C idle.
  11. For the driver installation problem, just keep trying. It usually takes my laptop (Windows 7, Mobility 5730) about 1-10 tries for it to install.
  12. gushingranny said:
    @Bryon

    I had a 5850 before this, and got +60 fps on medium - high settings. With everything on low, the 7950 doesn't even break 50 fps.

    @Devilofdeaths

    Can't remember the name but my CPU never goes above 50 C load / 30 C idle.

    that's because the 5850 wasn't getting bottlenecked by your cpu but because you have a mediocre cpu and a high end gpu the cpu is bringing down the gpu
    also i would upgrade that ram because DDR2 ram is terrible for just about anything nowadays plus ram is dirt cheap right now
    and it doesn't matter what fps you got it depends on the resolution now i bet you didn't get 60+ fps on full 1080p
  13. devilofdeaths said:
    that's because the 5850 wasn't getting bottlenecked by your cpu but because you have a mediocre cpu and a high end gpu the cpu is bringing down the gpu
    also i would upgrade that ram because DDR2 ram is terrible for just about anything nowadays plus ram is dirt cheap right now
    and it doesn't matter what fps you got it depends on the resolution now i bet you didn't get 60+ fps on full 1080p


    Upgrading the graphics doesn't hurt performance unless there is a different problem. A CPU doesn't drop in performance just because a faster graphics card is used. Performance might stay about the same, but if it drops, then there is another bottle-neck elsewhere.
  14. luciferano said:
    Upgrading the graphics doesn't hurt performance unless there is a different problem. A CPU doesn't drop in performance just because a faster graphics card is used. Performance might stay about the same, but if it drops, then there is another bottle-neck elsewhere.

    no it's not the cpu that is dropping in preformance it's the gpu that is because the cpu can't keep up with the gpu
    example:a fat kid and a skinny kid are running up the same hill fat kid being the cpu and the skinny kid is the gpu and the skinny kid is faster going up the hill but he slows down and has to wait for the fat kid showing that the skinny kid(gpu)isn't getting used to it's full potential
  15. luciferano said:
    Upgrading the graphics doesn't hurt performance unless there is a different problem. A CPU doesn't drop in performance just because a faster graphics card is used. Performance might stay about the same, but if it drops, then there is another bottle-neck elsewhere.


    Where? This is irritating me.

    How can my frames be worse even on Low?
  16. devilofdeaths said:
    no it's not the cpu that is dropping in preformance it's the gpu that is because the cpu can't keep up with the gpu
    example:a fat kid and a skinny kid are running up the same hill fat kid being the cpu and the skinny kid is the gpu and the skinny kid is faster going up the hill but he slows down and has to wait for the fat kid showing that the skinny kid(gpu)isn't getting used to it's full potential


    I understand how it works. OP said that OP was getting better frames with his/her old older and weaker card. That means that there is a non-CPU bottle-neck involved here.
  17. gushingranny said:
    Where? This is irritating me.

    How can my frames be worse even on Low?


    There might be a driver problem, or it might be one of many other things. Before I get to into it, can you tell me if you tried my Driver fusion recommendation? Remember, when you run it, boot into safe mode first. Driver Fusion works better from safe mode.

    Uninstall drivers normally
    re-boot into safe mode
    I'm sure that you know what to do from there given that you're familiar with the older Driver Sweeper.
  18. gushingranny said:
    Where? This is irritating me.

    How can my frames be worse even on Low?

    listen when you hed the 5850 i.e. mediocre graphics card and the 965BE your frames where good but now that you have a high end graphics card the cpu is bottlenecking it meaning that since you have a mediocre cpu with a high end graphics card your cpu is bringing down the preformace down to where is isn't using it's full potential it may only be using 75% of what it is capable of since you had a mediocre graphics card(5850)and a mediocre cpu(965BE) your graphics card wasn't bottlenecked and it was able to use it's full potential but now the 965BE is so weak that it is bringing down the powerhouse 7950

    do you understand?
  19. luciferano said:
    There might be a driver problem, or it might be one of many other things. Before I get to into it, can you tell me if you tried my Driver fusion recommendation? Remember, when you run it, boot into safe mode first. Driver Fusion works better from safe mode.

    Uninstall drivers normally
    re-boot into safe mode
    I'm sure that you know what to do from there given that you're familiar with the older Driver Sweeper.

    he has done that 3 times do you not read what he/she tells you
  20. devilofdeaths said:
    listen when you hed the 5850 i.e. mediocre graphics card and the 965BE your frames where good but now that you have a high end graphics card the cpu is bottlenecking it meaning that since you have a mediocre cpu with a high end graphics card your cpu is bringing down the preformace down to where is isn't using it's full potential it may only be using 75% of what it is capable of since you had a mediocre graphics card(5850)and a mediocre cpu(965BE) your graphics card wasn't bottlenecked and it was able to use it's full potential but now the 965BE is so weak that it is bringing down the powerhouse 7950

    do you understand?


    Having a CPU bottle-neck shouldn't bring performance down with higher end graphics cards, it should simply not bring it up. Do you understand that? OP's problem is not the CPU. That might a problem for OP, but OP has a bigger problem (or more than one) or else OP would have similar performance to he older card.

    OP, are you sure that you're playing at the exact same settings as you were with your older card?
  21. devilofdeaths said:
    he has done that 3 times do you not read what he/she tells you


    OP hasn't said anything about Driver Fusion, just Driver Sweeper. I recommend re-reading the thread instead of mocking me.
  22. luciferano said:
    Having a CPU bottle-neck shouldn't bring performance down with higher end graphics cards, it should simply not bring it up. Do you understand that? OP's problem is not the CPU. That might a problem for OP, but OP has a bigger problem (or more than one) or else OP would have similar performance to he older card.

    OP, are you sure that you're playing at the exact same settings as you were with your older card?



    Yes, I have tried the exact same settings as I did with the 5850, as seen here http://imgur.com/a/fwE9R

    I have tried LOWER settings and they are not very different than Ultra settings. This is what seems odd to me, bottleneck or otherwise. I dont think my 965 is bottlenecking to the point of worse performance.

    BTW I am trying driver fusion. Will report back.
  23. Tried it again and got this, not the first time either:
    http://imgur.com/H9tor

    Could this be the problem?
  24. Hit view log. Can you show us what it says?
  25. luciferano said:
    Hit view log. Can you show us what it says?


    Tried. It's an XML and couldn't view it.
  26. gushingranny said:
    Tried. It's an XML and couldn't view it.


    Try completely removing the drivers again and when you re-boot, instead of installing the drivers again, go back into Driver fusion and make sure that there are no remnants of anything from AMD/Ati, Nvidia, nor Intel in the graphics drivers sections. I'll try to think of other possibilities in the mean time.
  27. luciferano said:
    Try completely removing the drivers again and when you re-boot, instead of installing the drivers again, go back into Driver fusion and make sure that there are no remnants of anything from AMD/Ati, Nvidia, nor Intel in the graphics drivers sections. I'll try to think of other possibilities in the mean time.


    After removing drivers again, when I boot back into windows and check Driver Fusion I see these entries: http://imgur.com/1ohGz

    Now, I tried removing them through Driver Fusion again, no luck. As well as navigating to the registry and deleting them there. The registry will not allow me to delete them.

    Also, I tried the Heaven Benchmark today and i am WELL below the scores for this card.

    I am at a loss..

    EDIT This is the XML in MS Word:


    -UI
    10/07/12 13:08:57
    install


    RS780
    Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.

    0x9600
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    0x060000
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    Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.

    0x9603
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    0x060400
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    AMD Radeon Graphics Processor
    Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.

    0x679a
    0x1002
    0xe207
    0x174b
    0x030000
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    Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.

    0xaaa0
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    0x174b
    0x040300
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    Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.

    0x9606
    0x1022
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    Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.

    0x9607
    0x1022
    0x0000
    0x0000
    0x060400
    0x00


    ATI Integrated SATA Support
    Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.

    0x4390
    0x1002
    0x4390
    0x1002
    0x01018f
    0x00


    ATI Integrated SMBus Support
    Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.

    0x4385
    0x1002
    0x4385
    0x1002
    0x0c0500
    0x3a


    ATI Integrated SATA Support
    Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.

    0x439c
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    Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.

    0x4384
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    Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.

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    Microsoft Visual C++ 2010 Redistributable

    10.0.30319
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    AMD Catalyst Install Manager
    Succeed
    8.0.881.0
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    AMD Display Driver
    Succeed
    8.982.0.0000
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    HDMI/DP Audio Driver
    Succeed
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    AMD Drag and Drop Transcoding
    Succeed
    2.00.0000
    1


    AMD VISION Engine Control Center
    Succeed
    2012.0806.1213.19931
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    Hardware information
    Existing packages
    Packages for install
    Packages for uninstall
    Other detected devices
    Error messages
    Name
    Manufacturer
    Chip type
    Device ID
    Other hardware
    Download packages
    Success
    Fail
    Vendor ID
    Class Code
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    Installation Report
    Final Status:
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  28. IIRC the CCC log should open into web browser... and looks like the driver installed fine, so I dont think thats the problem.

    Download MSI Afterburner and keep an eye on the core clocks while playing, if they jump up'n'down between full 3d and 2d mode constantly then you are suffering from a bug with the power saving features in the current drivers, but there's an easy fix for it: download HIS iTurbo and disable 2d clocks when playing.
    http://www.hisdigital.com/gb/news_show-237.shtml
  29. Kari said:
    IIRC the CCC log should open into web browser... and looks like the driver installed fine, so I dont think thats the problem.

    Download MSI Afterburner and keep an eye on the core clocks while playing, if they jump up'n'down between full 3d and 2d mode constantly then you are suffering from a bug with the power saving features in the current drivers, but there's an easy fix for it: download HIS iTurbo and disable 2d clocks when playing.
    http://www.hisdigital.com/gb/news_show-237.shtml



    Yeah, I tried to view it in browser but wouldnt let me...I remember with past errors it would do that. Thanks for you help. I will try MSI and report back.

    [EDIT] Is there a benchmark I should try to see if my card is performing as it should? There's so many...

    [EDIT2] Also, here is an album of images taken with CCC in the background http://imgur.com/a/fwE9R. Shows them at stock clocks...I will try with MSI, however.
  30. And here are the screens of MSI Afterburner...same result. Clocks are at max, getting shitty frames at either Low or Ultra. Got better frames on 5850.

    [EDIT] Yeah, even CS GO is dipping to 50 fps. I'm mad.

    http://imgur.com/a/HtwbS
  31. shameless bump.
  32. what kind of load levels is afterburner showing? those pics didn't have it in view... probably quite low if the clocks are stable at max...

    maybe the pcie link is at 1.0 x4 or something...
  33. I saw load levels yesterday at 70 - 90%...

    heres a better pic of CCC http://imgur.com/a/fwE9R

    On Low, Battlefield 3 shows load at 50%. How can I check PCI-e?
  34. PCIe is easy to check. There are several ways, but downloading and running GPU-Z is one of the easiest.

    http://www.softpedia.com/dyn-postdownload.php?p=85523&t=4&i=1
  35. here is GPU-Z http://imgur.com/4YDkR

    At this point I have tried everything in my power. Should I try to RMA the card? Would it even matter? I also get these weird shadows (the lines on the walls)

    http://imgur.com/a/2rlKy
  36. Your first link didn't work for me.

    An RMA might be in order, although I stand by saying that unless that card is tested in another computer, it's not like we can really confirm that it is the problem.
  37. hmm it shows x8 1.1
    click on that little question mark next to it, it'll start a small render to kick the card into gear and out of power saving state
  38. http://imgur.com/Y5KvN

    Changes from 1.1 to 2.0, which is my Mobo's interface.
  39. It's now at PCIe 2.0 x8, that should be good enough to not kill performance.
  40. Wait, shouldn't the card be running at x16?

    As quoted from my motherboards online manual: "2 x PCIe 2.0 x16 (Single x16 with VGA Switch Card or Dual x8)*. Support ATI CrossFireX™ technology "
  41. It should be, unless you have a PCIe device in another PCIe slot that it shares lanes with or you have it in a PCIe x8 slot.
  42. the 3.0 x16 is the max supported by the card, the other is the one it's running at currently.

    anyways it should say x16 2.0, not x8
    try reseating tha card, make sure there isnt dust or anything else in the slot nor on the cards contact stripes
  43. Well, my motherboard requires this " Expansion Card " in the first PCIe lane when using single GPU. When using Crossfire or SLI, remove the Expansion Card.
  44. gushingranny said:

    As quoted from my motherboards online manual: "2 x PCIe 2.0 x16 (Single x16 with VGA Switch Card or Dual x8)*. Support ATI CrossFireX™ technology "

    link pls?
  45. Try switching this expansion card and your graphics cards out. IE put them in the slot used by the other if you haven't already tried this. Also, you could give it a try without this expansion card.
  46. In the manual on page 2-20 it talks about the switch card, and how it is supposed to be used just like the op has done. Maybe the switch card isnt plugged in properly as it doesn't seem to have any locking mechanism on it, so it might be loose...
    and I have never seen one before. :)

    the manual can be found in the download section, just select any os and scroll down the list
    http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/AMD_AM2Plus/M4A78E/#download
  47. also you could disable the other unused port and/or manually force the other slot to x16 in BIOS, see manual page 3-21 for details. Though it just lists the ports as #2 and 3, hard to tell which one is which....
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