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October 7, 2012 4:25:50 AM

Hello, I'm planning to buy A10-5800k and a 6670. I had read an article for the past month that cross-firing (Dual Graphics) the integrated graphics of the APU with the 6670 will give you a better performance overall, especially in games. But as I'm looking for reviews yesterday, a lot of people do not recommend of using the Dual Graphic feature. They say that when your planning to buy a discrete graphic card, just forget to buy the AMD APU's and buy an Intel. Is this really true? Please enlighten me as I don't have enough money to buy an Intel system. All I want is to play GTA IV (may'be V in the future), Sims 3, GW2, some photoshop and for everyday computing. I want to improve the performance of the APU as much as possible, if you don't recommend the Dual Graphics, will a 1866 RAM help? or 1600 mhz is more than enough?
October 7, 2012 4:29:15 AM

If you are going to play GTA IV with a 6670, oh boy will you be screwed over. Lets just say its one of the worst games performance wise for PC, even making some cards crumble, thats especially on 1080p. You wouldn't even get decent fps at 720p with minimal settings with that card.
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October 7, 2012 4:49:02 AM

It doesn't look like 1080p at all, and the graphics are at minimum. It looks like 720p to me. and I was just talking about your 6670.
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October 7, 2012 4:50:00 AM

And thats around 20 fps, and trust me, I'm an avid player of GTA IV with ICenhancer. Its not very playable at those frames.
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October 7, 2012 4:57:33 AM

I see, if i change the CPU into i3-3220 with a 7770, will it run in medium settings? or if you have some suggestion, please kindly tell it to me :) ). thanks in advance.
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October 7, 2012 4:58:50 AM

what is your budget on everything and what do you have already? i really dont recommend crossfireing with an apu, and anything over 1600mhz is just for benchmarking you wont notice any difference in everyday applications even heavy gaming
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October 7, 2012 5:06:18 AM

$600, I already have O.S and other computer peripherals such as speaker, mouse, keyboard.
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October 7, 2012 5:07:17 AM

is it possible to build a mid range gaming computer within that budget?
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October 7, 2012 5:11:25 AM

gtx 480=170$ Via newegg, Yall can hate on the card for being hot but it will play gta 4 at med settings with ease
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October 7, 2012 5:22:03 AM

trying to set up a on the spot quick build atm give me a few minutes
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October 7, 2012 5:24:17 AM

hardasrock said:
is it possible to build a mid range gaming computer within that budget?


i5 3570k -->http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
MSI Z68A-->http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Sapphire HD 7850 -->http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Corsair CX500 -->http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
4GB DDR3 Ram --> couldn't find any decent ones on newegg, look elsewhere for it. I estimated it at around $25
Coolermaster Elite 430 -->http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Seagate 1.5 TB 7200RPM --> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total without Rebates : $695
Total with Rebates : $640

Fairly barebones, but its a good pc and will last. Ram can always be added on later if you so desire.
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October 7, 2012 5:40:47 AM

JJ1217 said:
i5 3570k -->http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
MSI Z68A-->http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Sapphire HD 7850 -->http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Corsair CX500 -->http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
4GB DDR3 Ram --> couldn't find any decent ones on newegg, look elsewhere for it. I estimated it at around $25
Coolermaster Elite 430 -->http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total without Rebates : $625
Total with Rebates : $570

Fairly barebones, give me $675 to work with and I'll give you much better ram, and motherboard.




A 3570k is overkill for a midrange gaming pc, save the dosh on the cpu and get a better gpu.
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October 7, 2012 5:44:51 AM

jj1217s build may cost more but is much more future proof and in the future you could overclock with a new cooler
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October 7, 2012 5:47:38 AM

robthatguyx said:
jj1217s build may cost more but is much more future proof and in the future you could overclock with a new cooler



I dont see how a 500 watt psu and 4 gb's of ram are futur proof.
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October 7, 2012 5:51:29 AM

you can always add more ram later, but the thing which seperates his and the build i set up on a different post is that hes making the assumption that OP already has a Hard drive and disk drive. I based my build on what im 100% sure OP has stated on the post that he has keyboard, mouse, monitor and OS(without mention of a hard drive)
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October 7, 2012 5:52:39 AM

500w because even a 670 at full load wont pull more than that needs and ram can always be upgraded, the cpu and motherboard make it more future proof because the 3570k is more powerful than the i3 3220, let alone it being a dual core and the 3570k being quad the k is overclockable and im sure hes going to end up playing games that run much better on a quad than a dual
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October 7, 2012 5:53:25 AM

dudewitbow said:
you can always add more ram later, but the thing which seperates his and the build i set up on a different post is that hes making the assumption that OP already has a Hard drive and disk drive. I based my build on what im 100% sure OP has stated on the post that he has keyboard, mouse, monitor and OS(without mention of a hard drive)



I agree with your build its a midrange build. There is no such thing as futur proof its 2012 look at the options. Clearly we are only a few years away from Intel being a Monolpoly.
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October 7, 2012 5:53:26 AM

Ah right my bad, I was meaning to add a HDD, but then I rushed it, I'll edit it in a minute. The ram is always upgradeable, you can always add another 4 GB if you want.

500W PSU is good enough for now, if hes on a mid budget, we don't need an overkill 800W PSU.
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October 7, 2012 5:55:37 AM

JJ1217 said:
Ah right my bad, I was meaning to add a HDD, but then I rushed it, I'll edit it in a minute. The ram is always upgradeable, you can always add another 4 GB if you want.

500W PSU is good enough for now, if hes on a mid budget, we don't need an overkill 800W PSU.



a 3570k is 100% overkill at $200+ for a midrange cpu. Also did the op say he would overclock? whats the point of getting a "K" cpu another great example of everyone at TOMS assuming people are going to overclock.
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October 7, 2012 5:59:02 AM

cia24 said:
a 3570k is 100% overkill at $200+ for a midrange cpu. Also did the op say he would overclock? whats the point of getting a "K" cpu another great example of everyone at TOMS assuming people are going to overclock.


And your assuming that he won't. It doesn't matter whether he gets a K or not, its there for a reason, and if he chooses to, he can. Better not to restrict someone's build who doesn't tell us what he wants than to restrict them if you don't know what HE wants.

If hes released little to no information on the specifics, then I will build what I think is best for him. A 3570k with a 7850 works perfectly fine, its a budget mid range build but its solid and it works.
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October 7, 2012 5:59:03 AM

cia24 said:
a 3570k is 100% overkill at $200+ for a midrange cpu. Also did the op say he would overclock? whats the point of getting a "K" cpu another great example of everyone at TOMS assuming people are going to overclock.

because most people feel better knowing they can overclock eventually if they feel the desire to
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October 7, 2012 6:01:22 AM

robthatguyx said:
because most people feel better knowing they can overclock eventually if they feel the desire to


Lmao a 3570k is a waste here by the time the op can afford to upgrade the rest of the rig the 3570k will be outdated, Intel enjoys a short product life.
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October 7, 2012 6:04:17 AM

cia24 said:
Lmao a 3570k is a waste here by the time the op can afford to upgrade the rest of the rig the 3570k will be outdated, Intel enjoys a short product life.


Would you please stop being such a dbag? All your doing is talking while offering no better alternative.
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October 7, 2012 6:24:10 AM

Well thanks for your help, that's a good build J1217, but do you have an alternative build? something similar with dudewitbow? I prefer to build around an i3, someone tell it's already good enough to run games and at the same time it can help me to save more money. Just pair it with a good graphics card :) 
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October 7, 2012 6:29:22 AM

Also I got some question here, about the AMD APU, the a10-5800k. Why most people don't recommend cross-firing it with a 6670?
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October 7, 2012 6:37:55 AM

just dont know if you have an optical drive or not
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October 7, 2012 7:13:53 AM

JJ1217 said:
Would you please stop being such a dbag? All your doing is talking while offering no better alternative.


A dbag lol enjoy getting banned. Amd CPU 965 for 89$ along with a strong f
Gpu will be more then enough for the OP until the OP is ready to drop more dosh. Midrange amd gaming desktop will perform well in games and should be ok for a few years. Once again a 3570k is over kill. In gaming unless he has a 680 or better OP will see no difference.
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October 7, 2012 7:33:18 AM

cia24 said:
A dbag lol enjoy getting banned. Amd CPU 965 for 89$ along with a strong f
Gpu will be more then enough for the OP until the OP is ready to drop more dosh. Midrange amd gaming desktop will perform well in games and should be ok for a few years. Once again a 3570k is over kill. In gaming unless he has a 680 or better OP will see no difference.



Will the Phenom 965 be better than the upcoming Vishera? I'm thinking if the FX-4300 is much more powerful than the phenom, then I will just wait.
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October 7, 2012 3:26:15 PM

hardasrock said:
Will the Phenom 965 be better than the upcoming Vishera? I'm thinking if the FX-4300 is much more powerful than the phenom, then I will just wait.




I highly dought it AMD's new cpus are IMO a fail, The 965 is honestly fast at stock clocks and is very very simple to oc if you want to. I am running one in my gaming system right now.

This is my current build the price is off due to the video card I did not pay $300 I paid $150 new off ebay. After rebates came to around $743

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/iV3K
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October 7, 2012 4:32:11 PM


PowerColor Radeon HD 6670 1GB DDR3 Low Profile: $72

ASUS F2A85-M PRO FM2 AMD A85X: $125

DO NOT believe those who claim faster RAMs do not matter !! Graphics core performance proved amazingly scalable as the memory frequency and bandwidth increased. (and Xbit Labs are far from AMD fans)

That should do nicely with your Trinity APU. The Turks core speeds and memory of the HD6670 sync-up great with the SIMD Engine Array graphics engine on the APU. With fast RAMs and a 20% OC you will be flying.

[:lutfij:4]

I went low-profile, but the Sapphire HD6670 is $20 less, with rebate. The point being, your ultimate goal is a low-profile GCN HD7750 or -70 with the Kaveri APU in 2013+ in a nice, tight slim-profile unit.

and .... APU dual-graphics is getting better and better ...



This is mobile, desktop with a nice crank :D  should do just dandy. Check this out if you want to run with the big dogs -- follow closely what *The Stilt* builds in the Trinity APU over-clocking utility thread at XS

Keep us posted!


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October 8, 2012 1:17:04 AM

I'd go with a Phenom II x4, a decent yet cheaply priced AM3+ MoBo and a Nvidia GTX 550Ti. pretty cheap on pricing and GTA offers better support to Nvidia cards.
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