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Nvidia GTX 660 or ATI 7850!!

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October 7, 2012 12:22:39 PM

I have two choices infront of me ..1. nvidia gtx 660(non ti) and 2.ATI Radeon 7850..
The Max Resolution my monitor can support is 1600*900.
I would like to get ur opinion on which card suits me more and probably perform better...??

My specs.
intel i5-2400, 8gb ddr3 ram, cooler master (500w).

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October 7, 2012 12:27:12 PM

Why aren't you considering a 7870?

It's kinda a wash between the 7870 and the 660 with the 7870 generally having a slight advantage, The 7850 is usually a cheaper card than the 660, so they're not directly comparable in that sense. The 7850 generally performs worse than the 660, but does better when overclocked.
October 7, 2012 12:28:58 PM

but im getting the 660 in the same price range as 7870...7870 is a bit expensive for me here compared to the 660!!
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October 7, 2012 12:30:42 PM

spk said:
but im getting the 660 in the same price range as 7870...7870 is a bit expensive for me here compared to the 660!!


Where do you live?
October 7, 2012 12:32:28 PM

i live in india..but will be visiting UK next month and im planning to get the card frm there..i chekd with their sites and i dont see much difference in the price ranges of 7850 and 660!!
a b U Graphics card
October 7, 2012 12:42:13 PM

You should buy a HD 7870.It's a lot better than the HD 7850 and also slightly better than the GTX 660.
a b U Graphics card
October 7, 2012 12:43:52 PM

Look, when your really at neck and neck, which really the 660 and 7870 is, they trade too many blows to say which is better. Thats when you go to the fine points about the card.

256 bit memory interface on the 7870, compared to 192 on the 660, 7870 wins.

660 draws a tiny bit less power than a 7870, therefore 660 wins there.

7870 wins comprehensively both in texel rate and pixel rate against the 660, 7870 wins.

7870 is built more for overclocking than the 660, however this is too random to actually give a verdict, as you can get a crap overclock with the 7870, however, just keep in mind your more likely to get a good overclock than a crap one.

Really overall, the 7870 and 660 both have their advantages depending on which games you play.

If you like high resolutions with AA, go with the 7870. If you play at 1080p with no AA, but still crank the settings up at the same level as the 7870, then typically the 660 will win.

It really depends on which game is optimized for which card, however unfortunately, typically games are more tuned towards Nvidia cards, however this doesn't mean much, as Nvidia cards are still beaten by some ATI cards in Nvidia games.
October 7, 2012 12:45:18 PM

luciferano said:
http://pcpartpicker.com/uk/part/msi-video-card-r7870twi...

http://pcpartpicker.com/uk/part/msi-video-card-n660tf2g...

These two are pretty darned close in price. I'd go 7870, but you could go either way, really.




This is wat im looking to get..

http://www.overclock.co.uk/product/Gigabyte-2048MB-GDDR...

This one is 7870 at the same site..
http://www.overclock.co.uk/product/XFX-2048MB-GDDR5-AMD...

I prefer nvidia more than ati coz of the physx cuda, and more stable drivers from them...

Seein benchmark tests, icame to knw 660 performs close to 7870 and outperforms it in some games..
October 7, 2012 12:48:56 PM

JJ1217 said:
Look, when your really at neck and neck, which really the 660 and 7870 is, they trade too many blows to say which is better. Thats when you go to the fine points about the card.

256 bit memory interface on the 7870, compared to 192 on the 660, 7870 wins.

660 draws a tiny bit less power than a 7870, therefore 660 wins there.

7870 wins comprehensively both in texel rate and pixel rate against the 660, 7870 wins.

7870 is built more for overclocking than the 660, however this is too random to actually give a verdict, as you can get a crap overclock with the 7870, however, just keep in mind your more likely to get a good overclock than a crap one.

Really overall, the 7870 and 660 both have their advantages depending on which games you play.

If you like high resolutions with AA, go with the 7870. If you play at 1080p with no AA, but still crank the settings up at the same level as the 7870, then typically the 660 will win.

It really depends on which game is optimized for which card, however unfortunately, typically games are more tuned towards Nvidia cards, however this doesn't mean much, as Nvidia cards are still beaten by some ATI cards in Nvidia games.


I dont mind getting 4-6 fps less than 7870...i guess the 660 comes close to the 7870..whereas the price range is not that close!!
October 7, 2012 12:51:31 PM

Kamen_BG said:
You should buy a HD 7870.It's a lot better than the HD 7850 and also slightly better than the GTX 660.

"A lot"
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7850_HD_7870/images/pe...
Yeah DUDE. 7870 ******* owns that ***. It's like, mike tyson vs my grandma, one punch in her arm or something and her entire skeleton explodes like antimatter, wiping out an entire city. Goood DAyoom. I bet when the 7870 stares a 7850 down it basically shorts out on its own so it doesn't make a fool out of itself anymore in front of the greatness that 7870 possesses. *** yeah also don't remember the 5 fps difference that those cards have in BF3! amazing.
A-M-A-Z-I-N-G. And of course its better just because it wants to, not because it's overclocked to 1ghz+ and most 7850 have 800-900mhz. It just ******* wants to be awesome, and its will is made manifest. How cool is that? Cooler than that lame ass 7850.
Have fun with 2 less fps in Battlfield3, 7850-users.

Damn, I'd like... kill myself if I had a 7850... oh wait I do. Excuse me gentlemen. Hmm, maybe I can just take my 7850 with me when I go to the computer shop in my neighborhood, the 7870 will launch ICBM's the second it detects my crappy 7850, It will wipe me out and hopefully, if I position myself next to some hipster kids, I can kill some annoying kiddos while I'm dying. Hi five Kamen_Bg!
October 7, 2012 12:54:23 PM

mrbeanladen said:
"A lot"
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7850_HD_7870/images/pe...
Yeah DUDE. 7870 ******* owns that ***. It's like, mike tyson vs my grandma, one punch in her arm or something and her entire skeleton explodes like antimatter, wiping out an entire city. Goood DAyoom. I bet when the 7870 stares a 7850 down it basically shorts out on its own so it doesn't make a fool out of itself anymore in front of the greatness that 7870 possesses. *** yeah also don't remember the 5 fps difference that those cards have in BF3! amazing.
A-M-A-Z-I-N-G. And of course its better just because it wants to, not because it's overclocked to 1ghz+ and most 7850 have 800-900mhz. It just ******* wants to be awesome, and its will is made manifest. How cool is that? Cooler than that lame ass 7850.
Have fun with 2 less fps in Battlfield3, 7850-users.

Damn, I'd like... kill myself if I had a 7850... oh wait I do. Excuse me gentlemen.



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October 7, 2012 1:32:39 PM

If i was you between a 7850 or a 660 i would choose the 660 if you can bump your budget up a little get the 7950 if not MSI Radeon HD 7870 HAWK is the MSI Lightning's smaller brother. It uses the company's signature Twin Frozr II dual-fan cooler. MSI has also increased the clock speeds of the HD 7870 HAWK to 1100 MHz GPU and 1200 MHz memory.If not get ASUS HD 7870 DCUII TOP, using a custom heatsink and increased clock rates of 1150 MHz GPU and 1250 MHz memory, which should provide a nice performance boost over the reference design. Both cards = http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=w... +++ http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=w... lol..
a b U Graphics card
October 7, 2012 2:06:23 PM

I like Asus for the fact that all components of their cards are non reference, normally I would say I would rather a reference PCB so I can use a watercooling block, but seeing as the cooling is fantastic on DCII cards, you don't really need to watercool when you buy the card, you might as well buy another card.
October 7, 2012 2:55:36 PM

bigcyco1 said:
If i was you between a 7850 or a 660 i would choice the 660 if you can bump your budget up a little get the MSI Radeon HD 7870 HAWK is the MSI Lightning's smaller brother. It uses the company's signature Twin Frozr II dual-fan cooler. MSI has also increased the clock speeds of the HD 7870 HAWK to 1100 MHz GPU and 1200 MHz memory.If not get ASUS HD 7870 DCUII TOP, using a custom heatsink and increased clock rates of 1150 MHz GPU and 1250 MHz memory, which should provide a nice performance boost over the reference design. Both cards = http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=w... +++ http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=w... lol..

yeaah.... too bad the 7850 is better than the gtx660 if you're a pro and you overclock (pro meaning typing "1050" in the CCC overdrive menu), making your gpu better than the gtx660 and if you overclock higher like 1100mhz,which is easily attainable on this gpu, (I've seen people get even 1300-1350mhz, 90% people can easily get to 1200mhz at low voltages) you will easily beat stock 7870 performance and clock by clock 7870 and 7850 is practically equal, unless you're superman's son and can discern between 50 and 55fps (10% difference) or 100 and 110.

7870 owns 7850 so hard it gets 5 more fps in bf3 and everyone on the internet starts recommending it against the 7850.
I'm not saying it's weaker, it's a slightly better card, but only get it if it's near the price of a 7850, 7870 is basically a 7850 with a high factory overclock, raise 7850 clock from the crappy stock 850-something to 7870's 1ghz+ and you'll notice improvemenets and both card start to get very very near, a couple of fps close.


God damn it a few months ago people used the word "owns" when something actually owned something, not beat it by 5 fps. You guys remind me of the kids who write gpu reviews and spew bullshit like "here the gtx680 is clearly superior to the wimpy 7970, owning the *** out of it and making a fool out of amd by being faster with 1 fps, 101 fps instead of 100fps in X game, AMD prepare for bankruptcy"

Guess now sports presenters will start saying that saying now that athlete 1 mopped the floor with athlete 2 when he crossed the finish line 0.1 seconds sooner. That's basically the same thing you're doing now. Call me a fanboy but I can't stand people who start perpetuating bullshit everywhere. 7870=7850 and you should consider a 7870 only when it's as cheap as a 7850, don't go out of your way to get a 7870, buy the cheapest 7870 or 7850 you can find (get the 2gb version of 7850 if you want), theyre both great cards but don't say card #1 totally owns the *** out of the other, said card being on a another level compared to the wimpy card #2 who struggles in every game, they're the same *** unless you love to count frames during gaming and like having a couple of fps more, fps difference that can be reduced a lot if you actually set the cards to the same clocks, thing that is extremely easy to do, even a monkey can do it, just look at my avatar and you will see I'm living proof of this.
a b U Graphics card
October 7, 2012 3:12:34 PM

Yeah, look at my clocks! soars past a 660ti, and pretty much is almost equal to a stock 670. I pretty much got like a 70%overclock on the core.
October 7, 2012 3:34:13 PM

JJ1217 said:
Yeah, look at my clocks! soars past a 660ti, and pretty much is almost equal to a stock 670. I pretty much got like a 70%overclock on the core.

Yeah, that's what I was talking about, this gpu is a monster, same for the 7870, but they're basically equal in terms of power, and no 7850 isn't "out of 7870's league", they're basically the same thing, it's just that most 7870 can overclock a bit higher than most 7850, but differences in clock to clock are like around 5-10% I don't call that a big difference, It's basically non existent, and clearly not a proof of one card "obliterating" the other, stop doing what shitty reviewers do and stop saying that a card is beat by another just because it has a few less fps, they're EQUAL.

That's an awesome overclock man, the highest I've ever seen for a 7850 and for a 7870, I only managed to get to 1300mhz at 1.225 (max voltage in the OC tool I use, asus gputweak) which is unstable, 1250 being perfectly stable since I could run 3dmark11 and get almost P7000, but I mostly use 1200mhz at 1.150v so I don't have to worry about heat and other things (fan can be set at a silent speed and temps are still under 50-60C in intensive games). But maybe you can lower your memory speed to 1375mhz which from my experience is the peak for memory performance and be able to get an even higher OC if you can.

What type of cooling are you using btw?
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October 7, 2012 4:44:06 PM

Instead of making blanket statements about how far i can oc or how far any card can i rather stay on topic and show you some proof and help you pick the right card based on your needs.Because you don't pick a card based on overclocking as there is no such thing as a Guarantee oc factory oc there is a such thing but manual oc is a gamble no for sure you'll hit this high stable anybody tells you that don't believe it.

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a b U Graphics card
October 7, 2012 5:01:42 PM

OP is talking about 16x9 res and you keep debating about whichever card is better... at that res. any of those cards will satisfy the OP. So conclusion 1: get whichever is cheaper if you don't plan to upgrade your screen to full HD (1920x1080 or 1920x1200 monitor) soon. Conclusion 2: get 7870 if you are going to buy a full HD screen in the near future
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October 7, 2012 5:24:19 PM

My bad i got this thread mixed up with another like it sorry op well i agree to above comment gets whichever cheaper i also check to see which favors the games you mostly play.Also can check those links though and see the correct res there is benchmarks of that as well anyway good luck!
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October 7, 2012 5:38:39 PM

Kamen_BG said:
You should buy a HD 7870.It's a lot better than the HD 7850 and also slightly better than the GTX 660.


7850 is not better than the 660 at all, it can pass it when oc'd but it certainly is not fasterout of the box and or when both are oc'd


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October 7, 2012 5:52:03 PM

spentshells said:
7850 is not better than the 660 at all, it can pass it when oc'd but it certainly is not fasterout of the box and or when both are oc'd
+1

a b U Graphics card
October 7, 2012 5:52:11 PM

me too i cant device which is better beteewn gtx 660 or hd 7850 on 1680x1050
a b U Graphics card
October 7, 2012 6:30:08 PM

660.
But that's just me. Once i got my 7850, i was disappointed with the decision, because at the period of time i didn't know how amazing physx was.
Look for yourself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWFkDrKvBRU
a b U Graphics card
October 7, 2012 7:15:26 PM

Djentleman said:
660.
But that's just me. Once i got my 7850, i was disappointed with the decision, because at the period of time i didn't know how amazing physx was.
Look for yourself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWFkDrKvBRU


Borderlands two is literally one of two modern games where PhysX really matters. It's not much of a bargaining chip unless you mostly play Borderlands 2 and Batman:AC. That's not something to hold agaisnt the GTX 660, but it does make PhysX not much of something to hold against AMD. Nvidia also lacks great features that AMD has (or at least can't run them with playable performance) too.
a b U Graphics card
October 7, 2012 7:16:32 PM

spentshells said:
7850 is not better than the 660 at all, it can pass it when oc'd but it certainly is not fasterout of the box and or when both are oc'd


7850 can beat 660 in overclock versus overclock comparisons.

I have a solution, OP. Flip a coin. Heads, you get a GTX 660. Tails, you get a Radeon 7850. Have fun!
a b U Graphics card
October 7, 2012 7:41:58 PM

I swear every time i see this thread i feel like they trolling us..Same thing as always said both cards is good and one is not better then the other but they do out preform each other
a b U Graphics card
October 7, 2012 10:20:20 PM

Generally it is 7870>660>7850

Pick according to the price. 7850 costs about $200, 660 costs about $220 and 7870 costs about $240. I prefer the 7870 unless you find the other ones significantly cheaper.

To answer the thread question, I prefer 660 over 7850 if they are sold in the above prices, but I heard that Amazon sells 7850 for 160 euros, which is a hell of a deal. Do a bit research and you will settle.

EDIT: I just saw that you dont play in 1080p, if you dont plan to upgrade your monitor soon 7850 is more than enough.
a b U Graphics card
October 7, 2012 10:34:58 PM

well i found a hd 7850 for 215 dollars and gtx 660 for 229 dollars
a b U Graphics card
October 7, 2012 10:38:39 PM

skitz9417 said:
well i found a hd 7850 for 215 dollars and gtx 660 for 229 dollars


Either way you wont go wrong they both close..People toss benchmarks up like we going to get exact same performance so many factors come in. If you want a real benchmark do it your self because EVERYONES system will run gpus different and every gpu will run different so i really dont base anything off benchmarks anymore..If you like nvidia go 660 Ti if you like ati go 7850 at the end of the day its you playing the game not us..Alot of us will push 1 card as if were playing the game for them this is why most card vs card threads fail and confuses the op
a b U Graphics card
October 7, 2012 10:40:33 PM

ok thanks
a b U Graphics card
October 7, 2012 10:43:19 PM

skitz9417 said:
ok thanks


Well your case i ment 660 but yea man let us know what you decide on man and happy gaming
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October 7, 2012 10:46:11 PM

determinologyz said:
Well your case i ment 660 but yea man let us know what you decide on man and happy gaming




well im going for the hd 7850
a b U Graphics card
October 7, 2012 10:47:17 PM

skitz9417 said:
well im going for the hd 7850


Nice
a b U Graphics card
October 7, 2012 10:48:23 PM

determinologyz said:
Nice



im just asking will the hd 7850 bottleneck with my cpu at 3.4 ghz
a b U Graphics card
October 7, 2012 10:50:50 PM

skitz9417 said:
im just asking will the hd 7850 bottleneck with my cpu at 3.4 ghz


I dont think it will but you might wanna get a second answer on that..
a b U Graphics card
October 7, 2012 10:52:46 PM

ok thanks
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October 7, 2012 10:53:03 PM

skitz9417 said:
well i found a hd 7850 for 215 dollars and gtx 660 for 229 dollars

Seems like $14 for a 10-15% performance advantage is worth it. As an added bonus you get to avoid having to use AMD drivers.


http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_660_Twin_Fro...
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October 7, 2012 11:03:45 PM

skitz9417 said:
so what are u saying i should go for the gtx 660?

That would seem to be the choice of the experts at TechPowerUp.

Quote from that article. Notice the comparison is not with the 7850, but with the 7870:
"I don't see a clear winner when comparing the GTX 660 with the HD 7870. Both will make you a happy gamer."
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_660_Twin_Fro...
a b U Graphics card
October 7, 2012 11:07:57 PM

so u guys think i should get a gtx 660 over ahd 7850
a b U Graphics card
October 7, 2012 11:09:15 PM

If you overclock, that 10-15% turns into a negative 10-15%, maybe more, for the 660.

Also, AMD drivers are just as good as Nvidia's for single-GPU systems and almost exactly as good for multi-GPU systems, so don't bring such lies into the conversation as AMD drivers being inferior.
a b U Graphics card
October 7, 2012 11:20:54 PM

all well im going for a hd 7850 because its cheap
a b U Graphics card
October 7, 2012 11:26:48 PM

luciferano said:
A lot of those specs are wrong in that link. I fear that it might be a scam.

it got to be a typeo or the shop web page is crap who know but i will go in there and look and make sure thts correct
a b U Graphics card
October 7, 2012 11:28:51 PM

and doesnt the gtx 660 have banwith problems
a b U Graphics card
October 7, 2012 11:30:37 PM

I just re-read the link and it seems that only the little caption/title at the upper center of the link has incorrect specs, the chart closer to the bottom of the link has accurate specifications. IDK why they screwed up the above specifications.
a b U Graphics card
October 7, 2012 11:31:20 PM

who knows
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