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November 30, 2012 8:54:23 PM

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November 30, 2012 9:49:31 PM

An AMD CPU would be a good idea if you plan to overclock. You get a lot of cores for your money and most of them are overclockable. Even at stock settings, something like an FX-8 will be great for the audio stuff. It will need to be overclocked to get anywhere near the i5 in games but most games aren't very CPU dependent anyway.

AMD FX-8320 Vishera 3.5GHz - $179.99
2 x G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 1866Mhz - $59.98 ($29.99 each)
ASRock 970 EXTREME3 AM3+ - $84.99
500GB Seagate Barracuda 500GB 7200RPM - $64.99
MSI Twin Frozr HD 7850 2GB - $209.99
Antec NEO ECO 520C 520W - $54.99
NZXT Source 210 White - $39.99

Total is around $700 on Newegg and should be great for your usage.

EDIT: Ahh sorry I just realised you need a copy of Windows as well. You could drop the RAM to 2 x 4GB for now, drop the GPU to the HD 7770 and the CPU to an FX-6300. That should still be pretty decent.
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December 1, 2012 4:23:39 AM

If you are gaming, you will only need 8GB, you probably dont even need to upgrade to 16GB of ram until 3+ years(by then you probably want to build a new system)

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($133.79 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI 970A-G46 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($77.95 @ NCIX US)
Memory: Samsung 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7850 1GB Video Card ($162.55 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Rosewill Hive 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($66.27 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224BB DVD/CD Writer ($15.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) ($87.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $679.51
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-01 01:22 EST-0500)

Dont mind Win8 just download this and you will be good
http://windows8startbutton.com/

makes it pretty close to win7, doesnt make it much of a change and gives you the faster start boot over getting the win7
December 1, 2012 9:38:50 AM

slow2355comp said:
Hi,
I'll be using Newegg's Youtube tutorial to put this together. I don't have an anti-static wrist band, so in addition to repeatedly touching the metal case, I might tape exposed stereo cable to my wrist(s) and run it outside to a metal rod in the ground.

I was going to risk buying this CyberpowerPC that has many bad reviews about it's PSU etc frying: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I'll be using the computer for mid-range games, HD video editing, and DAW (Digital Audio Workstation) software with virtual instruments which requires a lot of CPU. I'm hoping to have it overclockable with a decent GPU so I can title it a gaming machine to more easily sell it if I upgrade in about 4 years.

An i5-3570K should be fine. I read it can OC to around 4.0 with the stock heatsink and still be 30 degrees away from the danger zone. I'll buy a used cooler if ever needed. Intel's HD4000 graphics are good enough for now but I'll probably upgrade to a used mid-range GPU, so the PSU etc needs to be able to work with that. I'm leaning towards an Intel instead of AMD for it's HD4000 and OC'ing, unless AMD has something similar.

I don't need 3.0 usb.
I don't want wireless LAN, bluetooth, or anything wireless.
I need Windows 7, not 8, and probably need 64-bit.
I'll make due with about 8GB RAM but hopefully have 32GB available.
I don't need a big hardrive.
I want to avoid a PSU that might fry.
I don't need a Blue Ray, just DVD
I don't care what anything looks like.
I don't need a keyboard or mouse.

Can this be done for $700 or hopefully less and better than an existing Newegg combo?
Thank you so much

http://www.newegg.com/

CPU benchmarks if they help:
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/common_cpus.html
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_list.php

DAW benchmarks. I'll be using FL Studio which isn't listed, but might eventually get one of the programs used for testing, but the other benchmarks should be fine to go by:
http://www.adkproaudio.com/benchmarks.cfm



1st of all, don't go with AMD (their CPU department is in bad shape, so if you plan to sell the PC in a few years they might not even exist). For HD video/DAW work you'll be best served by i7 (I mean really, HD video editing is very heavy on CPU/RAM). You won't get away with 8 gigs of RAM. What you need is a i7 machine with at least 16GB of RAM. Now I know a lot of folks will try and tell you that 8GB is more than enough and I agree - for gaming it'll suffice. For HD video editing however it's really not enough and considering that RAM is dirt cheap nowadays I wouldn't skimp on that. For the cpu side of things you don't need as much GHz's as you need threads/cores, so I would suggest letting OC off and going for a B75 mobo with a i7 and 16GB of RAM. Now the question is can it be done for 700$.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/qoz1


Intel Core i7-3770
$289.98


ASRock B75 PRO3-M
$77.55


Kingston 16GB
$61.99


Intel 120GB SSD
$94.99


Fractal Design Core 1000
$39.99


SeaSonic 550W
$74.99


Samsung SH-224BB
$15.99


Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit)
$91.99


Total:

$747.47


So you're slightly over budget.
For the memory - you might hear that it has too high of a latency but to be honest its totally negligible (looks better in benchmarks though ;-). What is important it is 2x8GB so you'll still have 2 memory slots free, in case you want to pimp it up to 32GB in the future you'll be free to do so. You said you don't need a big HDD, so there you go. Honestly this SSD drive will be perfect as a system/program files drive. It makes a huge difference in everyday use. You'll probably need an HDD in near future (unless you already have one).

cheers!
December 1, 2012 9:50:31 AM

I'm thinking the FX8320 will totally dominate the i5 if your software is multithreaded. It might be quite close to the (non-overclockable at least) i7 for $100 less. A very good deal.

BTW, nobody in their right mind is going to buy a 4-year-old "gaming PC", so forget that. They might buy an old 8-core DAW though ;) 
December 1, 2012 9:51:44 AM

HD 4000 should be fine for CS. Just get a 500W PSU and you should be able to upgrade to almost any GPU.

AMD might be a bit behind in terms of giving a bit less per Mhz but when you have DAW software that takes advantage of all 6-8 cores, they are totally viable. I'm sure they will catch up a bit in a few years, I don't think they will be going away anytime soon. In games they might not be ideal but most games aren't very CPU demanding anyway. Just overclock a bit and it will be fine.

The build I suggested without the GPU should be great. That extra cash can go towards a copy of Windows and either a cheap SSD or a decent CPU cooler.
December 1, 2012 10:09:12 AM

You do need some GPU since AMD FX doesn't come with integrated. For light gaming a HD7750/7770 will do great.
December 1, 2012 10:11:39 AM

Haha oh yeah, Intel HD 4000 is fine but the FX-8 doesn't come with it obviously xD
December 1, 2012 8:18:03 PM

Isn't your DAW software multithreaded then?
December 2, 2012 6:48:39 AM

Go for the FX 83** series then, up to par with i7 3770k in multithread work and doesnt lose that much FPS in games either. not to mention it is cheaper
December 2, 2012 8:01:20 PM

Thanks^ but I don't know what's compatable and other details to consider. I need someone to list parts and everyone to agree it's the best buid.
December 2, 2012 9:40:02 PM

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor ($166.15 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock 970 Extreme3 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($84.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition 1GB Video Card ($102.55 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: PC Power & Cooling Silencer MK III 500W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($64.58 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224BB DVD/CD Writer ($15.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) ($87.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $712.21
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-02 18:39 EST-0500)

http://windows8startbutton.com/
December 3, 2012 9:28:37 AM

That last build looks good, might be worth going for 1600Mhz+ RAM though. You could easily drop the HD 7770 to the HD 7750 if needs be. The HD 7750 is still worlds apart from HD 4000 and the HD 6670 in that prebuilt. The HD 7750 is a bit better than the HD 6770, somewhere around the level of the HD 6790.
December 3, 2012 10:12:44 AM

Here's my cheaper alternative then :D 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor ($166.15 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Xigmatek GAIA SD1283 56.3 CFM CPU Cooler ($19.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-DS3 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($79.98 @ NCIX US)
Memory: Corsair 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($67.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: HIS Radeon HD 7750 2GB Video Card ($90.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 500W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On IHAS324-98 DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) ($87.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $658.04
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-03 07:12 EST-0500)
December 3, 2012 11:44:27 AM

That looks good.
December 3, 2012 7:29:11 PM

Intel HD 4000 will actually be quite a lot better than a Radeon 9250. If you want a cheaper GPU with the FX-8, the HD 6670 is pretty good. Another idea would be to go with an i7 and stick to HD 4000

I'd try to keep a SSD if possible. If you don't though, I suppose an i7 would be nice.
December 3, 2012 8:06:13 PM

Well you'll need a sound card, creative and Asus are good brands with a 192-bit Asus Xonar coming in at 50-ish dollars.

Also, to the guy who said FX, most FX 8000 series processors BSOD at even stock settings, and if you want to OC an 8000 series FX you basically NEED a watercooling solution.

Good luck!
December 3, 2012 8:13:21 PM

I have a PCI soundcard for now.
December 3, 2012 8:27:44 PM

Just so you guys know, this is how you calculate speed from ram,

the guy up top is saying get 1600, yes i would agree but it would be a lot pricey-er for the 9 CAS, if you get 11 CAS it is slower than 1333 with a CAS of 9

1600/11=145
1333/9=148

1333 is the same price and pretty much faster(only a bit)
December 3, 2012 9:22:49 PM

boulbox said:
Just so you guys know, this is how you calculate speed from ram,

the guy up top is saying get 1600, yes i would agree but it would be a lot pricey-er for the 9 CAS, if you get 11 CAS it is slower than 1333 with a CAS of 9

1600/11=145
1333/9=148

1333 is the same price and pretty much faster(only a bit)


I'm sorry but that's just not how it works. Judging by that theory, DDR2 800Mhz CAS 5 RAM would be 800/5 = 160. That would make DDR2 800Mhz CAS 5 noticeably faster than DDR3 1333Mhz CAS 9.

December 3, 2012 9:33:00 PM

darksparten said:
Well you'll need a sound card, creative and Asus are good brands with a 192-bit Asus Xonar coming in at 50-ish dollars.

Also, to the guy who said FX, most FX 8000 series processors BSOD at even stock settings, and if you want to OC an 8000 series FX you basically NEED a watercooling solution.

Good luck!



He isn't going to want that kind of sound card for a DAW. He will want an audio interface (which is basically a professional sound card.)
December 3, 2012 9:36:59 PM

jmsellars1 said:
I'm sorry but that's just not how it works. Judging by that theory, DDR2 800Mhz CAS 5 RAM would be 800/5 = 160. That would make DDR2 800Mhz CAS 5 noticeably faster than DDR3 1333Mhz CAS 9.


you forgot that this is DDR3 not DDR2, this is an example, this also works with DDR2 but DDR3 has a serperate speed from DDR2 which is why DDR2 is not DDR3 are you getting my DDR?
December 3, 2012 9:38:13 PM

I'll probably get an audio interface/internal card later.
December 4, 2012 7:52:47 AM

boulbox said:
you forgot that this is DDR3 not DDR2, this is an example, this also works with DDR2 but DDR3 has a serperate speed from DDR2 which is why DDR2 is not DDR3 are you getting my DDR?

No, you forgot. Why don't you update your formula then?
December 4, 2012 6:25:46 PM

FinneousPJ said:
No, you forgot. Why don't you update your formula then?


I didnt forget DDR3 is different from DDR2, the same process of the formula works for DDR2 too.

DDR2 has its own speed but can still be calculated by the same process. the timings are cycles and the CAS is how fast it does the cycle pretty much.

So for DDR2, 800/5 =160 while 667/5= 133.4, by doing it this way the higher the end number the faster it is for DDR2, of course you categorize with sub sections like DDR2 and DDR3 which i dont think you and your friend there understands. the formula works with both subsection but has a different multiplier (which is another reason why DDR2 is not DDR3)
December 4, 2012 7:17:40 PM

No, that doesn't explain anything. What jmsellars is trying to say is your formula doesn't work.

If it were like you say "the timings are cycles and the CAS is how fast it does the cycle pretty much" then 800/5 =160 is clearly better than 1333/9=148. Unless you can explain the "modifiers" DDR2 and DDR3 have and why.
December 4, 2012 8:34:27 PM

FinneousPJ said:
No, that doesn't explain anything. What jmsellars is trying to say is your formula doesn't work.

If it were like you say "the timings are cycles and the CAS is how fast it does the cycle pretty much" then 800/5 =160 is clearly better than 1333/9=148. Unless you can explain the "modifiers" DDR2 and DDR3 have and why.



I'm sorry if my thought process was different then, i thought you guys would already have knowledge of the difference from DDR2 and DDR3 already.
December 5, 2012 4:35:55 AM

bump to wrap this up. specs in the 1st post. Thanks again everyone.
December 5, 2012 4:06:54 PM

Not a lot of point in arguing about that, I'm sure the OP gets the point by now.

One suggestion, I would buy a basic GPU. AMD HD 4250 is nowhere near Intel HD 4000. The AMD one is absolutely ancient. It should be fine for watching 320/480P video and basic browsing etc but anything beyond that would probably be too much. Intel HD 4000 could easily cope with 1080P and even the majority of games (on the lowest settings @ 720P). Even a basic card like the HD 6570 is actually better than HD 4000.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
December 5, 2012 5:13:43 PM

^Thanks. I added a cheap GPU to the build.
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