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Asus 7770 2GB VS Asus 650 TI

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October 9, 2012 3:38:32 PM

Hello, with the new 650 Ti out, I would like to know which of these two cards would run games better.

EX Games would be LA Noire, Just Cause 2, GTA IV, Borderlands 2, etc.

And the two cards,

Asus 650 Ti

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Asus 7770 2GB

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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October 9, 2012 5:54:51 PM

I find it interesting that the very day am new nvidia card comes it is the only recommendation. How many of you guys are paid by Nvidia? Get any free gear and kickbacks?

Yes the 2GB version does pull ahead in skyrim but all the rest it doesn't make much of a difference to notice when compared to other cards. Aim higher and get a 7850 then overclock it ;) 
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October 9, 2012 6:05:46 PM

nforce4max said:
I find it interesting that the very day am new nvidia card comes it is the only recommendation. How many of you guys are paid by Nvidia? Get any free gear and kickbacks?

Yes the 2GB version does pull ahead in skyrim but all the rest it doesn't make much of a difference to notice when compared to other cards. Aim higher and get a 7850 then overclock it ;) 


Are you being payed by AMD, or just completely biased? The GTX 650 ti owns the 7770, whichever version it might be. The 7850 is another story though, if he wants to pay the extra.
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October 9, 2012 6:18:46 PM

The 650ti and 7770 are good cards but the HD6870 still beats out both of them based on Toms newest charts, and its cheap.

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October 9, 2012 6:18:58 PM

nforce4max said:
I find it interesting that the very day am new nvidia card comes it is the only recommendation. How many of you guys are paid by Nvidia? Get any free gear and kickbacks?

Yes the 2GB version does pull ahead in skyrim but all the rest it doesn't make much of a difference to notice when compared to other cards. Aim higher and get a 7850 then overclock it ;) 


So you really understood that i actually recommended 650ti? I think that I am pretty clear when I say that 7850 is a better choice. But it is also more expensive and it is a bit irrelevant with the question of the topic. OP asks if 650ti or 7770 2GB on the same money is a better deal, and I answer that 650ti is stronger than 7770 so he should opt for the first.
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October 9, 2012 6:28:00 PM

I haven't priced the 6850 or above..... but if those are the 2 cards you have your mind set on/....... the 650 for sure. 650 sometimes clobbers the 7770. ( guru3d )

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October 9, 2012 6:33:39 PM

650Ti is not worth the price, HD 7850 is a better GPU but I do like having PhysX, GTX 660 maybe.?
HD 7770 = MEH..

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October 9, 2012 6:37:53 PM

So in comparison then, the 6870 would be the better choice out of the two?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

What would be the closest comparison to the 6870 Nvidea (and Price) Wise?

Im looking for a card that is about Sub $180



My rig is currently...

Cooler Master eXtreme Power 500w PSU
Kingston Hyper X 8GB Ram
XFX 5450 (I need to upgrade this thing. Looking for the best Sub $180 Model)
Asus M5A78L-M LX PLUS Mobo
Seagate Barricuda 1TB 7200RPM HDD
AMD FX 4100 OC'd to 4.0GHz
Thermaltake Commander MS-i Snow Edition Case
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October 9, 2012 6:54:16 PM

I would grab the 7770 just based on prices. in most benchmarks the 650ti only performs about 5-7fps better while costing 20 bucks more. (cheapest 7770 vs cheapest 650ti, not including the rebates you get with the 7770)

Comes down to how flexible your budget is and how much you want to pay to get those extra frames. (still in the process of reading the article btw.)

This is a nicely priced 7850: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Also side note: you can enable physx in borderlands 2 by going into an ini file and changing a setting, it will run physx from the cpu so you will take a hit performance wise but you would even with an nvidia card. It looks exactly the same is if you ran physx from a physx enabled gpu.
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October 9, 2012 6:58:12 PM

nforce4max said:
I find it interesting that the very day am new nvidia card comes it is the only recommendation. How many of you guys are paid by Nvidia? Get any free gear and kickbacks?

Yes the 2GB version does pull ahead in skyrim but all the rest it doesn't make much of a difference to notice when compared to other cards. Aim higher and get a 7850 then overclock it ;) 


What I find interesting is you probably didn't read the reviews on this very site! The 650ti is the better card, although not by much.
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October 9, 2012 7:10:51 PM

in the "performance" area.......... a 470 would be somewhat equivalent to the 6850. good luck finding one.....
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October 9, 2012 7:27:49 PM

nforce4max said:
I find it interesting that the very day am new nvidia card comes it is the only recommendation. How many of you guys are paid by Nvidia? Get any free gear and kickbacks?

Yes the 2GB version does pull ahead in skyrim but all the rest it doesn't make much of a difference to notice when compared to other cards. Aim higher and get a 7850 then overclock it ;) 


I also find it funny you troll on nvidia as hard as alot of people do..
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October 9, 2012 8:08:31 PM

how much are the GTX 560 Ti's..?
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October 9, 2012 8:36:39 PM

did you see the vid and the lack of PhysX.?
are you done looking at nVidia cards.?

nothing bad to say about the HD 7850, just asking.
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October 9, 2012 9:04:29 PM

Hmm, I'm not entirely sure how 1gb vs 2gb is for most games but if you intend to play skyrim with texture mods you want as much vram as you can get.

If you have any form of income I would probably go with the extra gb just because.

@proffet, I already addressed physx with amd cards. Its not exclusive to nvidias cards.
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October 9, 2012 9:35:50 PM

mouse24 said:
Hmm, I'm not entirely sure how 1gb vs 2gb is for most games but if you intend to play skyrim with texture mods you want as much vram as you can get.

If you have any form of income I would probably go with the extra gb just because.

@proffet, I already addressed physx with amd cards. Its not exclusive to nvidias cards.

I know but the frames really crawl when PhysX is on Radeon cards.
try it, enable PhysX (download) with your Radeon and then bench or monitor frames in a PhysX game.
even the higher end HD Radeons drop, do they not.?
and I never ran it off the CPU..
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October 9, 2012 10:09:57 PM

Physx cannot run off an AMD gpu, its all handled cpu side when you have an AMD gpu in your system. Atleast thats the way it was a few years ago, not sure if they opened it up a bit more.

I'll test out the frame drops for myself once I get a copy of something that actually has physx. (planning on grabbing BL2 some times soon)
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October 9, 2012 10:21:01 PM

mouse24 said:
Physx cannot run off an AMD gpu, its all handled cpu side when you have an AMD gpu in your system. Atleast thats the way it was a few years ago, not sure if they opened it up a bit more.

I'll test out the frame drops for myself once I get a copy of something that actually has physx. (planning on grabbing BL2 some times soon)


In that case, my FX 4100 wouldn't handle it that well would it?
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October 9, 2012 10:24:16 PM

proffet said:
I know but the frames really crawl when PhysX is on Radeon cards.
try it, enable PhysX (download) with your Radeon and then bench or monitor frames in a PhysX game.
even the higher end HD Radeons drop, do they not.?
and I never ran it off the CPU..


Im looking for a card $180 or less (Before rebates)

If I was looking at a 560, I wouldn't be able to get a Ti. Is there a noticeable difference between the normal and Ti card?



And would this card:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Out perform a 7850?

(Id love a 660, but its out of my budget ;-; )
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October 9, 2012 10:27:44 PM

Wazzup4567 said:
Im looking for a card $180 or less (Before rebates)

If I was looking at a 560, I wouldn't be able to get a Ti. Is there a noticeable difference between the normal and Ti card?



And would this card:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Out perform a 7850?

(Id love a 660, but its out of my budget ;-; )



The 560 Ti is somewhat faster than the 560 because it has a better GPU, I think that it has somewhat higher clocked memory too IIRC.

The 7850 is better overall than the 560 Ti, the non-Ti versions of the 560 don't have a chance against the 7850. They might come close in a few games, but simply throwing up the MSAA and/or overclocking lets the 7850 pull ahead greatly.

If you want a cheaper card, then a highly factory overclocked 7770 would be your best option.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

That one meets or beats the 650 Ti on average, albeit not by much, but it's also cheaper.

However, as others have said, AMD doesn't have native PhysX support on their graphics cards, so if you play the few games where that matters, it can be a good reason to go Nvidia.
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October 9, 2012 10:33:37 PM

mouse24 said:
Physx cannot run off an AMD gpu, its all handled cpu side when you have an AMD gpu in your system. Atleast thats the way it was a few years ago, not sure if they opened it up a bit more.

I'll test out the frame drops for myself once I get a copy of something that actually has physx. (planning on grabbing BL2 some times soon)


Hasn't changed, physx gpu side is basically a cuda app that is nvidia proprietary.
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October 9, 2012 10:38:57 PM

determinologyz said:
I also find it funny you troll on nvidia as hard as alot of people do..


Really? Got your head up your backside as what I post isn't close to what I can do as trolling. The problem with Nvidia is just terrible build quality for most of their cards and their low end truly sucks price wise except for low power consumption. Kepler is only good for DX9 and DX11 games while compute apps run like crap. OpenGL support is almost nonexistent so a lot of older games and apps do not run at all or under perform vs older cards. I found it entertaining when a 5 year old mid range card was already able to manage one third the performance at stock with physx on to a 660 in borderlands 2.

I wouldn't be grabbing the Vaseline and fapping to this pos when there is better around for similar or better prices. Then there is big Kepler which has yet to enter the market.
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October 9, 2012 10:47:09 PM

nforce4max said:
Hasn't changed, physx gpu side is basically a cuda app that is nvidia proprietary.

+1
thanks for the explanation..
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October 9, 2012 10:47:20 PM

They both run just fine no matter how you go but when it comes to power supplies that 500w has to be very high quality in order to manage that card. I highly doubt that option will work with your current power supply. That 480 easily draws 250w when under full load and close to 300w when fully overclocked.
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October 9, 2012 10:54:18 PM

Im still on the Fence.

The 7850 seems like the best deal, but PhysX would be nice (But there is no Sub $180 Card that will really stack up to the 7850 Performance wise and will be compatible with my system.)

Is PhysX really worth it? That video pretty much just shows a couple of fancy effects that don't really affect gameplay.
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October 9, 2012 11:08:33 PM

I think the point of the video was to show you that they are quite a few effects that you will only see with a NVIDIA card because you said you want a card for Borderlands in there. I would look at it from this standpoint in terms of having a full feature card to play the modern games with the best possible eye candy because of the physx would be the 650Ti however if you don't care for the eye candy and would just prefer the better performance option the 7850 is a clear winner by a mile.
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October 9, 2012 11:13:38 PM

proffet said:
560 Ti runs with the HD 7850 (performance sense) slightly less and times more..
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/547?vs=549

and at 1080p no bigger 1GB of VRAM will not kill you but yes 2GB would be better.


I don't have the money for a 560 Ti. I could only afford a 560.

So I think I've narrowed it down to these two cards:



(Has nearly Identical Specs to a 7850 but has 2GB of RAM)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Galaxy 560 With 2GB of RAM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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October 9, 2012 11:23:41 PM

Wazzup4567 said:
I don't have the money for a 560 Ti. I could only afford a 560.

So I think I've narrowed it down to these two cards:



(Has nearly Identical Specs to a 7850 but has 2GB of RAM)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Galaxy 560 With 2GB of RAM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


7850 is quite a bit better than a 6950. The 6950 is quite a bit better than the 560. The 560 Ti loses to the 7850, the regular 560 doesn't have a chance against it.

If you want PhysX, then get the 7770 that I recommended and a lower end Nvidia card to run PhysX for it or buckle down for a 650 Ti or 560, just keep in mind that none of these options for PhysX will be great. Tight budgets such as this can be hard to work with.
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October 9, 2012 11:25:49 PM

I said GTX 560 Ti and not the GTX 560...
thanks for the misreading though.. :p 
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October 9, 2012 11:29:22 PM

proffet said:
I said GTX 560 Ti and not the GTX 560...
thanks for the misreading though.. :p 


Oh, sorry my bad. Fixed.
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October 9, 2012 11:31:16 PM

kewl...
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October 9, 2012 11:38:24 PM

BigMack70 said:
None of these cards are powerful enough to use 2GB vram, by the way. Spending extra to get a 2GB version of anything under a 7850 is a complete waste of money. Even the 7850, which is more powerful, doesn't need the extra vram... the 1GB card is fine

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/Club_3D/HD_7850_RoyalQueen/images/perfrel_1920.gif


It depends on what you do. Some games break 1GB at 1080p and some are crippled by 1GB at 1080p, depending on the settings.
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October 9, 2012 11:42:17 PM

Im probably going to settle for the 7850. I dont have the money for a good nVidea card at the moment (or the money for another Motherboard to Utilize two Graphics cards) so yeah.

Quick Question before I close,

Which of the two 7850s would be better:

A: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

B: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Im guessing A will run faster with 2GB of RAM but B will have better temps and run cooler and quieter.
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October 9, 2012 11:44:55 PM

Wazzup4567 said:
Im probably going to settle for the 7850. I dont have the money for a good nVidea card at the moment (or the money for another Motherboard to Utilize two Graphics cards) so yeah.

Quick Question before I close,

Which of the two 7850s would be better:

A: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

B: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Im guessing A will run faster with 2GB of RAM but B will have better temps and run cooler and quieter.


More RAM doesn't mean faster. It simply means that it can handle higher memory loads. Some games would prefer that at some settings for 1080p, but not all games do. The 2GB card is a little faster because it has a higher core frequency, but not because of it having more memory.
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October 10, 2012 12:51:41 AM

I can back-up what 'BigMack70' is screaming....
I agree with him on this.
1080p is fine with 1GB in most cases..
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October 10, 2012 1:01:02 AM

Except for BF3.... :( 
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October 10, 2012 1:10:13 AM

true that....
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October 10, 2012 1:20:39 AM

Skryim can also have trouble with only 1GB. I can name a few other games if I cared to think of them.

Also, BigMack70, a lot of those games that were tested could have had much higher AA such as some MSAA, but didn't, so that link doesn't prove much of anything for many of those games. That the review had Catalyst 12.3 pretty much invalidates it for modern comparisons.
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October 10, 2012 1:45:12 AM

Try to get the one from MSI that has the aluminum mid plate and avoid all cards that use the ferrite shielded inductors so as to not get the coil squeal issue. A cheap second hand gt430 or a 8800gt for like $30 will take care of physx and cuda with hacked drivers. XFX is one of the cards to avoid and already people have complained of issues with this card.
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October 10, 2012 1:49:39 AM

BigMack70 said:
Can you prove that Skyrim can have trouble with 1GB (showing how much it can use doesn't matter... you actually have to show it performing better with an increased vram amount)? I doubt it. Maybe you get some stutter if you tried to run a crapton of texture mods with it, but even then I bet it would run fine.

The majority of those games had 4xAA on... BF3 and Crysis 2 included... no difference in performance.

And what's your point about drivers? That somehow performance on the 2GB card will increase while the 1GB card stays the same? That makes no sense at all. The driver thing only matters sometimes when you're comparing two different cards. This is comparing a card to itself with a different vram amount.

People act like you need boatloads of vram because they see things like "uh oh Afterburner says my 7970 is using 2.3 GB vram at 1080p in BF3 I guess you need 2GB vram at least for 1080p gaming" and they don't realize that games will fill up far more vram than they actually need performance-wise.

The ONLY situation I'm aware of where it's been shown that 1GB is definitely a problem at 1080p is Max Payne 3 which will by default not let you enable 4xMSAA if you only have 1GB vram. I have seen youtube videos but not benchmarks of people who use the ini tweak to get around that, so I don't know for sure if it actually affects performance or if it's a completely artificial limitation.


4x AA is not the same as 4xMSAA.
Drivers mean inferior performance so you can't use slightly higher settings that would increase frame buffer memory consumption a little, especially in games that received fairly large performance boosts from fixed problems.
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18429...
This guy managed to show Skyrim stuttering at 2GB at 1080p (fixed by switching to a 3GB 7970, which is weaker than two 6970 2GB cards, implying that the memory capacity was the issue). I'm still looking for one with a single 7850, but this divide everything by two (I know, not accurate, don't take this as evidence, just a comment) to get 1GB and one 6970 (similar to the 7850 in performance) that would be fixed by getting a card with more than 1GB of memory. I'll see if I can find a more relevant example.
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October 10, 2012 2:22:03 AM

forget the 7779 and 7850 just get the gtx650ti with free assassins creed 3 download code when it launches..this offer itself makes the gtx650 ti a fantastic deal if you were planning on getting AC3 anyways .. but if you werent still get the gtx650ti and sell.off the code ..this way you save a lot of money..
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October 10, 2012 2:23:23 AM

forget the 7779 and 7850 just get the gtx650ti with free assassins creed 3 download code when it launches..this offer itself makes the gtx650 ti a fantastic deal if you were planning on getting AC3 anyways .. but if you werent still get the gtx650ti and sell.off the code ..this way you save a lot of money..
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October 10, 2012 2:47:01 AM

Best answer selected by Wazzup4567.
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October 10, 2012 2:47:56 AM

Thanks for the help guys. Im going to get the Sapphire 7850 with 1GB of Ram then.
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October 10, 2012 2:56:00 AM

MEH...
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