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a b U Graphics card
October 12, 2012 10:15:56 PM

i cant decide between the 7970 and the gtx 670. the games i will be playing is bf3,borderlands 2, cs:go,minecraft,tf2,crysis,skyrim. whichever one i get i will be overclocking. i dont know what the the pros and cons are of either brand as far as exclusive features. i will be playing at 60hz (ill upgrade later) and tearing would probly annoy me, so i dont know if the adaptive vsync feature for nvidia would make it a better choice or not.

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a c 142 U Graphics card
October 13, 2012 1:05:44 AM

AMD Pros:
Better Overclocking Potential than Nvidia's current offerings.
Better GPU Compute performance (not too relevant for games right now)
Higher memory bandwidth
More Video RAM (generally not relevant unless running games across multiple monitors)
AMD Cons:
Higher power consumption
Tends to have fewer games that heavily favour them. Skyrim does favour AMD though for this generation.

Nvidia Pros:
Lower power consumption
GPU Accelerated PhysX (for the few games that support it, only game on your list that supports it is Borderlands 2)
Some games such as Battlefield 3 favour Nvidia cards heavily.
Adaptive Vsync (basically turns Vsync off if you go below 60FPS to smooth out the experience better, you'll still get tearing with it turned on, just less of it because your framerate won't exceed 60FPS in less GPU taxing areas)

Nvidia Cons:
Less overclocking potential due to locked voltage control.
Less memory bandwidth (more of a problem for the 660Ti and below, the 670 actually does have adequate memory bandwidth for 1080p gaming)
Usually less Video RAM (once again not relevant right now unless doing multi-monitor gaming.
Very weak GPU computing capabilities compared to AMD's current offerings.
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a b U Graphics card
October 13, 2012 1:10:56 AM

what would you recommend out of the 2
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a c 106 U Graphics card
October 13, 2012 1:16:47 AM

recommendation is either or. I would normally recommend the cheaper one assuming:

your case and other hardware can support everything.
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a c 142 U Graphics card
October 13, 2012 1:19:57 AM

Depends on which games you want to play the most. Battlefield 3 and Borderlands 2 will perform better on the 670, though the 7970 might be able to catch up when factoring in overclocking. You won't have GPU accelerated PhysX in Borderlands 2 with the 7970 though. Minecraft, TF2, and CS:GO aren't demanding games and will run the same on either card. Crysis will perform better on the 7970, Skyrim likely will too if you use the high res texture pack, or plan to use lots of mods.

I would personally recommend the 7970 over the 670 due to better overclocking potential, and if GPU computing does start seeing more gaming use, it will be the better card for that. The poor GPU computing performance on the Kepler cards is one of those things that may come back to bite you in the future. Though that might not be too relevant if you plan on switching out your graphics card for a newer one in the next 1-2 years.
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a b U Graphics card
October 13, 2012 1:29:57 AM

I favor Nvidia only because they tend to be silent?

Maybe that's just me. :) 
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a c 665 U Graphics card
October 13, 2012 1:48:14 AM

Your list is very pro-Nvidia leaning, in fact just about all those games will run better on a GTX 670. Of course, since you want to play Borderlands 2, then PhysX is your deciding factor. There is just no big reason to go with the 7970 that's good enough to give up on GPU-accelerated PhysX in that game.

Another factor is Skyrim, a lot of people don't know this, but only Nvidia cards can enable Transparency Supersampling and Ambient Occlusion in that game to greatly enhance graphics with more realistic detail. In the graphic below, AMD cards look like the "Ambient Occlusion OFF" screenshot.


http://www.geforce.com/optimize/guides/the-elder-scroll...

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a c 180 U Graphics card
October 13, 2012 2:11:06 AM

I absolutely LOVE my ASUS GTX680 TOP. I have at least ten games that look best on a GTX680 vs a cheaper card.
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=71119&vpn=GTX680-DC2T-...

That card is $540 which may be above your budget. In my opinion this is still the best single-GPU card on the market today.

I really have to put the nod towards NVidia:
- PhysX
- TXAA (for upcoming UNREAL 4 engine)
- Adaptive VSYNC
- IMO better drivers overall
- AMD is laying off people so will this affect quality of future driver support?

Still, at the $200 range the HD7850 is an awesome card to beat.

*Stay away from MSI for now. There's an article about the problems related to them overvolting cards to overclock creating serious problems.

My advice is either:
a) a Sapphire HD7970 3GB OC card http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
b) a Gigabyte GTX670 OC card http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
c) the ASUS GTX680 TOP (if your budget permits)

I wanted to recommend the Asus GTX670 TOP for $440 (looks exactly like the non-TOP version) but I can't find it anywhere. It's popular and appears to be sold out.

REVIEW of Asus GTX680 TOP:
*use as reference for both benchmarks as well as Idle and Load Noise Levels.
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r...
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a c 180 U Graphics card
October 13, 2012 2:12:23 AM

Also, is Borderlands 2 still available on the GTX660Ti and higher cards?
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a c 186 U Graphics card
October 13, 2012 3:04:08 AM

I recommend the 670 or 680 Asus Top over any current card being sold seriously both are that dam solid imo.I am still drooling over the Asus 670 Top wish i could find one in stock I would be all over that Asus 670 TOP for its high factory overclock, cool temps, and really, really quiet fans,heavily modified PCB, with an efficient VRM design to produce low temperatures, improved voltage regulation circuitry, much better Chil controller , specially binned chip and voltage control and monitoring support that you will not find on most other non-reference cards. It looks aggressive to me and indeed is a violent monster.Those are some of the reasons TechPoweUp gives the 670 TOP a 10.0 rating, the only 10.0 rating ever




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"Overall the ASUS GTX 670 Direct CU II is the best card I ever tested.I simply can't find anything wrong with it." Source - http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GeForce_GTX_670... :o  If you can find the Top all bet's are off

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a b U Graphics card
October 13, 2012 3:46:15 AM

Probably would say go with the 670 for that set of games. Crysis will run much better on the radeon, however. But if you're thinking of applying 8xMSAA and above then go the AMD route.

BTW, you didn't mention the resolution...

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(basically turns Vsync off if you go below 60FPS to smooth out the experience better, you'll still get tearing with it turned on, just less of it because your framerate won't exceed 60FPS in less GPU taxing areas)

Not quite sure what you're trying to say. Adaptive vsync turns vsync on after your refresh rate cap is exceeded, PREVENTING tearing. It's turned off below the cap to prevent stuttering.
I do use adaptive vsync wherever my fps bounces around my refresh rate, and i find that it works well.
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a c 109 U Graphics card
October 13, 2012 3:53:03 AM

AMD might go under with in the next few years.....
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a c 142 U Graphics card
October 13, 2012 3:58:40 AM

In which case we'll have fun times paying $500+ for a midrange card because Nvidia charge whatever they want at that point.
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October 13, 2012 4:01:05 AM

Are not all those extra features that Nvidia has some kind of software?, i think Nvidia is trying to make propietary based features to push AMD out of the market, i guess those features like AO and PhysX are not hardware bounded(AMD cards can emulate them with their actual hardware) or im wrong?
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a c 142 U Graphics card
October 13, 2012 4:06:48 AM

PhysX is a proprietary API that Nvidia bought in 2008. Physics calculations can be done on the GPU with a GPU computing API like OpenCL or DirectCompute, but no games have implemented anything like that yet. PhysX really hasn't taken off either, with only one or two games coming out each year that use the GPU accelerated version.

As for Ambient Occlusion in Skyrim, that is a software restriction, either Bethesda chose to only allow it on Nvidia cards (likely due to a payoff on Nvidia's part) or there is no Ambient Occlusion option in Skyrim at all but there is a way to force Ambient Occlusion with Nvidia's drivers. There is no current way to force Ambient Occlusion in games with AMD drivers, making it an Nvidia exclusive feature for now if that is the case.
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October 13, 2012 4:11:05 AM

Step one: Find what games you prefer

Step two: Investigate which brand of GPUs that the games best run on.

Step three: Compare prices to performance.

OR:

Use the averaged results from Tom's Hardware, AnandTech, Techpowerup, and other respected tech review websites. Pay attention to the comments should a majority call foul on the reviews though.
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a c 273 U Graphics card
October 13, 2012 4:14:06 AM

Supernova1138 said:
Depends on which games you want to play the most. Battlefield 3 and Borderlands 2 will perform better on the 670, though the 7970 might be able to catch up when factoring in overclocking. You won't have GPU accelerated PhysX in Borderlands 2 with the 7970 though. Minecraft, TF2, and CS:GO aren't demanding games and will run the same on either card. Crysis will perform better on the 7970, Skyrim likely will too if you use the high res texture pack, or plan to use lots of mods.

I would personally recommend the 7970 over the 670 due to better overclocking potential, and if GPU computing does start seeing more gaming use, it will be the better card for that. The poor GPU computing performance on the Kepler cards is one of those things that may come back to bite you in the future. Though that might not be too relevant if you plan on switching out your graphics card for a newer one in the next 1-2 years.

Considering how similar was said of the tessellation chip that ATi put on their 4xxx and 5xxx series and how that fared when the feature was finally introduced, I fail to see how that could possibly be a selling point myself.
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a b U Graphics card
October 13, 2012 4:16:53 AM

GIGABYTE GV-N680WF3-2GD GeForce GTX 680 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Come on, a $460 dollar 680? And with triple fans so it is quiet and cool? Don't get any better than this.
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a c 186 U Graphics card
October 13, 2012 4:51:09 AM

17seconds said:
Your list is very pro-Nvidia leaning, in fact just about all those games will run better on a GTX 670. Of course, since you want to play Borderlands 2, then PhysX is your deciding factor. There is just no big reason to go with the 7970 that's good enough to give up on GPU-accelerated PhysX in that game.

Another factor is Skyrim, a lot of people don't know this, but only Nvidia cards can enable Transparency Supersampling and Ambient Occlusion in that game to greatly enhance graphics with more realistic detail. In the graphic below, AMD cards look like the "Ambient Occlusion OFF" screenshot.

http://www.geforce.com/Active/en_US/shared/images/guides/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim-tweak-guide/Skyrim-AO-Comparison.gif
http://www.geforce.com/optimize/guides/the-elder-scroll...
I consider this like the sprinkles you can get on your ice cream nothing more nothing less however i do like my ice cream with sprinkles :lol: 
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a b U Graphics card
October 13, 2012 5:15:27 AM

would buying a amd 7970,overclocking the **** out of it, and buying a nvidia gt640 or something similar for physx be the sweetspot? it would probly be easier just to get a gtx 670 though :/ 
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a c 186 U Graphics card
October 13, 2012 5:39:48 AM

^ loyal amd fan would spend more to get a 7970 plus a gt640 for spiting distance performance gain lol
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a b U Graphics card
October 13, 2012 5:42:07 AM

computernoob29 said:
i cant decide between the 7970 and the gtx 670. the games i will be playing is bf3,borderlands 2, cs:go,minecraft,tf2,crysis,skyrim. whichever one i get i will be overclocking. i dont know what the the pros and cons are of either brand as far as exclusive features. i will be playing at 60hz (ill upgrade later) and tearing would probly annoy me, so i dont know if the adaptive vsync feature for nvidia would make it a better choice or not.

GTX 670. Trust me Borderlands 2 with PhysX enabled is Gorgeous. i have the 670 and it handles all games u listed maxed easily
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a b U Graphics card
October 13, 2012 5:45:47 AM

bigcyco1 said:
^ loyal amd fan would spend more to get a 7970 plus a gt640 for spiting distance performance gain lol

so is that a good idea or a bad idea, i dont have a clue
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a b U Graphics card
October 13, 2012 5:50:06 AM

the 7970 without a gt640 is the same as a gtx 670, which would give me better fps all around?
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a c 186 U Graphics card
October 13, 2012 5:52:15 AM

computernoob29 said:
so is that a good idea or a bad idea, i dont have a clue
Price wise wouldn't be worth it imo considering chances are 50/50 you'll end up with one with horrible coil wine and half to rma it for others it might be worth it i was just poking fun at you mate no worries! ;)  And proof i am not being bias - http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=w...
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=w...
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=w...
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=w...

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a b U Graphics card
October 13, 2012 6:28:30 AM

ok, i think ill buy the gigabyte gtx 670 instead
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a b U Graphics card
October 13, 2012 2:31:27 PM

computernoob29 said:
ok, i think ill buy the gigabyte gtx 670 instead

right answer except the 670 power edition.
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a b U Graphics card
October 13, 2012 3:50:32 PM

out of the evga ftw,the gigabyte,and the power edition, ill get the one thats the cheapest when im ready to buy
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a b U Graphics card
October 13, 2012 4:09:38 PM

computernoob29 said:
out of the evga ftw,the gigabyte,and the power edition, ill get the one thats the cheapest when im ready to buy

ftw seems to be the cheapest. Unless u get the one that comes with backplate and 4gbs of vram
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a b U Graphics card
October 13, 2012 4:51:05 PM

at ncix, the cheapest has been the gigabyte, im hoping the other 2 will go on sale for under 400
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a b U Graphics card
October 14, 2012 1:39:50 AM

Ever heard of newegg? They have a Canada store as well.....
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a b U Graphics card
October 14, 2012 2:38:45 AM

ncix is cheaper, they have the gigabyte on for 380 bucks right now.
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a b U Graphics card
October 14, 2012 2:55:12 AM

right, but you can get a EVGA 670 for 379.99 on newegg. Eh, get the Gigabyte if thats the one you want
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a b U Graphics card
October 14, 2012 3:31:35 AM

the $379.99 one on newegg is the lite edition, the "evga gtx 670 ftw le" the normal ftw (the good one) is $404.99 on newegg.ca. and you might be looking at newegg.com for that price if it is the full version.
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a b U Graphics card
October 14, 2012 3:38:49 AM

if all of them were the same price which one would you get if you were buying one
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a b U Graphics card
October 14, 2012 3:45:58 AM

If all the 670's were the same price? Shoot i'd get the 670 SC.. But thats me, The power edition or a FTW would be my second option
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a b U Graphics card
October 14, 2012 7:30:33 AM

photonboy said:
I absolutely LOVE my ASUS GTX680 TOP. I have at least ten games that look best on a GTX680 vs a cheaper card.
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=71119&vpn=GTX680-DC2T-...

That card is $540 which may be above your budget. In my opinion this is still the best single-GPU card on the market today.

I really have to put the nod towards NVidia:
- PhysX
- TXAA (for upcoming UNREAL 4 engine)
- Adaptive VSYNC
- IMO better drivers overall
- AMD is laying off people so will this affect quality of future driver support?

Still, at the $200 range the HD7850 is an awesome card to beat.

*Stay away from MSI for now. There's an article about the problems related to them overvolting cards to overclock creating serious problems.

My advice is either:
a) a Sapphire HD7970 3GB OC card http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
b) a Gigabyte GTX670 OC card http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
c) the ASUS GTX680 TOP (if your budget permits)

I wanted to recommend the Asus GTX670 TOP for $440 (looks exactly like the non-TOP version) but I can't find it anywhere. It's popular and appears to be sold out.

REVIEW of Asus GTX680 TOP:
*use as reference for both benchmarks as well as Idle and Load Noise Levels.
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r...

i have had my msi 7970 for a while now with no hicups or is that only with the GTX cards?
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a b U Graphics card
October 14, 2012 7:37:54 AM

amuffin said:
AMD might go under with in the next few years.....

in there cpu division...yes they already have admit that intel has stomped them and there going to be focusing on there apu processors for all in one computers,(amd is winning the integrated graphics in there apu's over intel's) i've also herd rumors about apple using amd's apu's and that would be a huge win for amd' so no more enthusiast cpu's but since they bought ati they are going strong in there graphics division
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a c 665 U Graphics card
October 14, 2012 3:34:18 PM

corvetteguy1994 said:
in there cpu division...yes they already have admit that intel has stomped them and there going to be focusing on there apu processors for all in one computers,(amd is winning the integrated graphics in there apu's over intel's) i've also herd rumors about apple using amd's apu's and that would be a huge win for amd' so no more enthusiast cpu's but since they bought ati they are going strong in there graphics division

Actually AMD, like Nvidia has been losing market share to Intel. But between the two, in the performance GPU segment, Nvidia greatly outsells AMD. The GTX 670 alone outsells the 7970, 7950, and 7870 combined. Adding the GTX 680 and GTX 660 Ti to the mix give a 3 to 1 sales advantage to Nvidia.
http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey
http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/
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October 14, 2012 3:42:38 PM

HDAO = AMD
HBAO = Nvidia
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a c 147 U Graphics card
October 14, 2012 3:50:38 PM

corvetteguy1994 said:
in there cpu division...yes they already have admit that intel has stomped them and there going to be focusing on there apu processors for all in one computers,(amd is winning the integrated graphics in there apu's over intel's) i've also herd rumors about apple using amd's apu's and that would be a huge win for amd' so no more enthusiast cpu's but since they bought ati they are going strong in there graphics division


yup they got excellent product on the graphic side (be it integrated or discrete) but amd as a whole doesn't look too good right now. i think that's why he said amd will go under in a few years. they missed they target last quarter and it seems the situation will be the same as last quarter for their Q3:

http://www.techpowerup.com/173557/AMD-Announces-Prelimi...

there were already rumors about more layoffs because of that. and you know what is the best part? those layoffs may hit engineers from the graphic division.

Quote:
SemiAccurate's sources are talking, too, and they echo the figures posted by the other two sites. Charlie Demerjian's moles tell him that a minimum of 10% of AMD's workers will lose their jobs—and, crucially, that 30% of the firm's engineering staff could be on the chopping block. Those engineering cuts will purportedly hit AMD's graphics division the hardest, which is a shame considering the performance of recent Radeons


http://techreport.com/news/23725/multiple-sources-say-a...
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a c 186 U Graphics card
October 14, 2012 7:49:25 PM

corvetteguy1994 said:
i have had my msi 7970 for a while now with no hicups or is that only with the GTX cards?
There NO problem with any of them it's bs only the MSI 660 TI are the ones they did this on to my understanding
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