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December 5, 2012 10:39:20 AM

I'm planning on upgrading my desktop since I've just purchased a laptop that somehow runs better than it! The rig is about three years old and now I'm going to fix it up since I don't want it just sitting around. All I need to know is if the parts I've chosen will work together and everything! I'm at the point where I'm sure I could figure out installing the parts into the case, but I don't know much about specific details.


Current Mobo: Asus M4N68T-M-V2 ( http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/AMD_AM3/M4N68TM_V2/ )
New Mobo: GIGABYTE GA-990FXA-UD3 ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... )


Current GPU: Nvidia GTS 450
New: HIS Radeon 7850 2 GB ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... )


Current RAM: Unsure. Corsair (2 x 2 GB), although it shouldn't matter if I'm replacing basically everything.
New RAM: Ripjaw (2 x 4 GB) ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... )


Current CPU: Phenom II X4 955 (3.2 Ghz)
New CPU: AMD FX-6300 Vishera (3.5 GHz) ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... )



I'd just like to know if my computer will run fairly well if I connect all of these parts correctly, clean out my case, and repair install Windows 7 so that it recognizes the new parts.

This is the first time I'll have ever opened up a computer to work on it, so I need some expert help on this one. Thanks.
December 5, 2012 11:34:09 AM

That should all be fine. What power supply do you have?

Also I would recommend doing a fresh install of windows 7 to make sure everything is working correctly
December 5, 2012 1:12:42 PM

That's one of the things I still have to check, but I know it was at least 500W if I remember correctly. This rig is a gaming PC that I bought awhile back when I was 16, something like my first actual PC that I saved up for a year to get.

Being a dumbass, I've lost all of the paperwork to it and I'm somewhat scared to crack it open and look at the parts for fear of breaking something. I know it also has liquid cooling, which I don't want to go anywhere near since a buddy of mine had some leaking issues that ruined his processor.

As for the Windows 7 install, I'm not sure if I'll be able to. I guess this topic should be in Prebuilt considering this PC was assembled by a company before it was shipped to me. I'm just doing an overhaul and replacing most parts.

I know that W7 came installed and I imagine the code to activate it is somewhere on the back of the case. Would I just need to somehow uninstall/reinstall by entering the same code?


Sorry for the trouble, not even out of High School so I'm kind of new to the PC world.
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December 5, 2012 1:26:44 PM

Now that@s a different story. If it has a whole WC loop then will need new blocks for the CPU and GPU and you will have to drain down and refill the loop.

If it's closed loop then it's not too difficult but it might not fit your new board.

You needed to crack before ordering to be honest.

You can get any disk and you should be able to re-install by the code on the case. Some PC's have a partition you can default to so it's factory fresh.
December 5, 2012 1:33:17 PM

darth pravus said:
Now that@s a different story. If it has a whole WC loop then will need new blocks for the CPU and GPU and you will have to drain down and refill the loop.

If it's closed loop then it's not too difficult but it might not fit your new board.

You needed to crack before ordering to be honest.

You can get any disk and you should be able to re-install by the code on the case. Some PC's have a partition you can default to so it's factory fresh.


I'll crack open my case today to see how things look. I need to clean everything out anyways since it's been on my carpet floor in my dusty room, running for practically half of two years now.

I suppose getting myself integrated with the inner workings of my computer is necessary if I'm going to start tinkering with the parts.
December 5, 2012 1:42:08 PM

Most definitely. One you get past the inital scare of "OMFG EVERYTHING WILL BREAK" you can have a lot of fun making everything how you want.
December 5, 2012 1:54:16 PM

darth pravus said:
Most definitely. One you get past the inital scare of "OMFG EVERYTHING WILL BREAK" you can have a lot of fun making everything how you want.


I'm already afraid that I'll shock something important and nuke the entire rig.
I guess this counts as initiation into the technology world.

The good thing is that I haven't actually ordered yet out of fear that something wouldn't work. I guess I did something right.

Now to figure out if I have a closed loop or not. What exactly does that mean again?
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December 5, 2012 3:20:03 PM

I don't follow my own advice, but you can order a static wrist strap with your parts if you're worried about frying something.
December 6, 2012 6:18:17 AM

It it's a closed loop it will just pipes going from on component to a rad as opposed to maybe several going to a reservoir then a rad with a way to replace coolant in an open loop.
December 12, 2012 7:22:48 PM

darth pravus said:
It it's a closed loop it will just pipes going from on component to a rad as opposed to maybe several going to a reservoir then a rad with a way to replace coolant in an open loop.


Finally cracked it open to find dust everywhere. I was able to locate all of the components, but I'm still not entirely sure what my cooling system is. Call me a simpleton if you will, but technical stuff makes my head hurt.

The water cooling can be described as two pipes connected to two parts. One is hooked into the top of the case with a fan leading out the back of the case and the other part is.. some sort of chip inside of a plastic case that is attached to a plate. On the bottom of that is a copper plate that was placed directly against the processor. The pipes connect to opposite sides of the base and these lead over to the part with the fan, connecting to the bottom of it.

Now correct me if I'm wrong, but something tells me my processor is running too hot. When I lifted the cooling unit ( the copper plate and everything attached to it), it appears to have melted the label on the processor clean off. There is a bunch of white muck on the spot where it was pressed against the processor and only the name of the processor is visible. I cleaned it and the processor off.

What should I do about the cooling system?

Also my power supply is 600W.
December 13, 2012 6:16:31 AM

That's a closed loop. No way to put more coolant in.

It's not a melted sticker, it's something called thermal paste which creates a better seal for heat transfer. you need to reapply more of it before you put it back on.

Also I hope you used pure alcohol or similar to clean it off.

600w will be fine for running the new components however you might need a new CPU cooler if your current liquid situation doesn't fit the new mobo.

Does it look something like this?

http://www.corsair.com/en/media/catalog/product/cache/1...
December 13, 2012 9:13:42 PM

darth pravus said:
That's a closed loop. No way to put more coolant in.

It's not a melted sticker, it's something called thermal paste which creates a better seal for heat transfer. you need to reapply more of it before you put it back on.

Also I hope you used pure alcohol or similar to clean it off.

600w will be fine for running the new components however you might need a new CPU cooler if your current liquid situation doesn't fit the new mobo.

Does it look something like this?

http://www.corsair.com/en/media/catalog/product/cache/1...


Looks almost exactly like that. I'm considering limiting my spending and keeping the motherboard/processor, while still upgrading RAM/GPU.

Also that explains a few things. I cleaned it off with a dry paper towel, but I can rub it down with pure alcohol when I crack again to put new parts in. I noticed the copper plate actually looked burned. There was a black mark, nothing too large, but that's what had me thinking it had been melting plastic or something. Jeez, I feel like a dumbass. I cleaned it off and tried to run the computer again as if everything was normal. It was only on for maybe a minute and everything was extremely jittery and slow. Good thing I didn't do anything taxing with it.

So add http://tinyurl.com/29l3an to my list?

I'd also like to ask another question, but I'm not entirely sure if you'd be able to answer it or not. I never actually turned my four cores on for the first year and a half of owning my PC entirely because I was clueless and new to this and I didn't realize they weren't already turned on.. Now that I know how to actually turn them on, I find that having them on causes my PC to shut down at random. No warning, just blinks and shuts off as if I'd hard-rebooted it. This usually happens if I'm playing a game. Have any idea what could cause this?
December 14, 2012 6:07:19 AM

IF you've oc'ed it could be unstable and causing the cores to crash out.

I know they sell a tri core which is a defective quad so you chip might have some defects.

I wouldn't use that plate anymore as it sounds like it wouldn't give a good connection for heat transfer. Use microfibre cloth rather than towel as you might static damage it.

Q tips are good i've heard.

Thats a good idea to be honest. The fx series that low down can be slower than the old phenoms. Going to 8gb of ram would help and a new GPU would be a massive gaming boost.

What's you GPU budget?
December 14, 2012 12:03:31 PM

Not replacing the motherboard and the processor opens up a lot of spending room for other things, so I don't feel guilty spending a lot on my GPU and ram. I was either going to go for a GTX 660 or the original HD 7850 I had planned on buying a week or two ago. Basically $250 for is the ceiling for my GPU budget, but I might stretch a bit further. The good thing is that the RAM and the thermal paste are cheap, so I could potentially get everything I need without spending more than $300. Do you have any recommendations for GPUs? I mostly play non-taxing stuff like TF2, MMOs, LoL, etc, but there is some heavy-duty stuff that my current card struggles to handle.

Actually now that I think about it, this card has given me a lot of trouble for no reason at all. It should be able to play everything I've tossed at it before, but a lot of games cause FPS drops for extended amounts of time, only to run smooth for one minute and then go back to being slow again. Correct me if I'm wrong, but a GTS 450 should be able to burn through a flash game like Binding of Isaac, and this refuses to. At this point, any replacement is good enough for me.

Never mind about that though.

How much is a new copper plate going to cost me? If it's a lot, I can manage. The burn was pretty insignificant compared to the entire plate, but I did notice my PC becoming a lot noisier after a year or so and I imagine this is why.
December 14, 2012 1:00:18 PM

It's not a new copper platte. It's a whole new heatsink.

A hyper 212 evo would be cheap and fire for what you need.

Maybe it's your CPU as you cant activate all the cores. It might be damaged from being rubbed with a paper towel or excessive heat.

a 450 should be ok in flash.

A 660 would be a massive upgrade
December 14, 2012 1:21:55 PM

darth pravus said:
It's not a new copper platte. It's a whole new heatsink.

A hyper 212 evo would be cheap and fire for what you need.

Maybe it's your CPU as you cant activate all the cores. It might be damaged from being rubbed with a paper towel or excessive heat.

a 450 should be ok in flash.

A 660 would be a massive upgrade


I only cleaned it off recently, so it would have been a heat issue if it's an issue with the processor at all. I can activate all of the cores, but it randomly shuts off, mostly when I play LoL. It's weird.

Does this mean I'll be replacing my liquid cooling entirely? It was a very cumbersome thing to move around in the case and I'd be happy with it gone if this will provide better performance for cheap.

Now that I'm confident about moving parts around in my PC, I'm pretty eager to get started on this project.

Hyper 212 Evo, GTX 600, Arctic Silver thermal paste, and 2 x 4 GB sticks of RAM should be enough then?
December 14, 2012 1:40:31 PM

That sounds pretty good to me. Those close liquid solutions aren't usually that good.
December 14, 2012 2:06:37 PM

darth pravus said:
That sounds pretty good to me. Those close liquid solutions aren't usually that good.


It came free with the system. Some special deal on Cyberpower at Christmas time.

Apply new thermal paste, install the new fan, install the GPU, and the new RAM! Got it.

Sweet! Thanks for the help and everything. I guess I know what all I need to do now, so this problem has probably been solved.
December 14, 2012 4:05:27 PM

No problem. Let us know if you need anything else.
December 25, 2012 2:15:13 PM

darth pravus said:
No problem. Let us know if you need anything else.


Bought a new GPU and replaced the RAM no problem, but I thought I'd try to run with my current cooling before I went and replaced the liquid system entirely.

Turns out my current CPU spikes to unknown temperatures if I try to turn all of the cores on for more than half a minute, and then it fails due to overheating. The max recommended temp for my processor is 62 C and I've been running at probably 80-100, so I'm not surprised there are burns on the radiator.

At one core it idles at something like 98C so I'm definitely not going to do much with it for fear of damaging it completely.

I'm afraid the processor might already be damaged from the heat.

Replacing the cooling system soon because I am sick of this awful thing not working. Nothing more until then, other than being happy about Christmas and having everything installed.
December 26, 2012 3:34:03 PM

If you've hit 100 at any point it has probably done damage. It might survive but cooling is definitely needed.

Hope you enjoyed Christmas :) 
December 30, 2012 11:18:59 PM

darth pravus said:
If you've hit 100 at any point it has probably done damage. It might survive but cooling is definitely needed.

Hope you enjoyed Christmas :) 


Either the temperatures were right or I had things plugged in wrong and I was getting incorrect readings.

The important thing is that the backplate for the watercooling unit refuses to come off of the motherboard. I've tried using a hair dryer and pulling and etc, but it refuses to. I guess I'll just upgrade it and use the old processor in the new one.


Here's to a little project turning into a full-blown rebuild.
December 31, 2012 3:24:59 PM

Hopefully you will be able to oc more and just gain more performance. Building your own is always more fun ;) 
January 8, 2013 10:07:31 PM

darth pravus said:
Hopefully you will be able to oc more and just gain more performance. Building your own is always more fun ;) 


OK! So instead of ever actually buying a new motherboard, I've managed to pry the back plate off of the motherboard and install the new CPU fan. Everything seems to work and it's running cool, except for the fact that nothing appears to be running at all.

I hear a single beep and the fans turn on, but the LEDs that are usually on don't turn on and my monitor doesn't react at all.

Any idea as to what the problem could be? This is the first time I had to go and mess around with cords so it may be due to being plugged in incorrectly. I can post pictures if need be.
January 9, 2013 6:07:49 AM

A single short beep means it have posted so maybe make sure all your graphics card cables are in the right place and monitor is plugged into the correct place
January 9, 2013 7:43:38 AM

darth pravus said:
A single short beep means it have posted so maybe make sure all your graphics card cables are in the right place and monitor is plugged into the correct place


It doesn't even sound like a loud beep. It is literally barely audible with some low groaning like something is trying and failing to start and then the fans just run without any activity. I've reseated the GPU and the RAM and nothing.

It's not loud enough to make me think it's actually a beep code.
January 9, 2013 7:49:59 AM

A picture might be helpful to sport any issues. Do you have another PSu to text with?
January 9, 2013 7:51:31 AM

darth pravus said:
A picture might be helpful to sport any issues. Do you have another PSu to text with?


Sadly I don't. A picture of the inner hardware you mean? I can probably manage that if it'd help.
January 9, 2013 8:05:19 AM

Yeah just the motherboard top down so I can see what's connected to what
January 9, 2013 8:35:20 AM

I wouldn't recommend molex to PCI connectors. Try booting with your integrated graphics connected.
January 9, 2013 8:39:55 AM

darth pravus said:
I wouldn't recommend molex to PCI connectors. Try booting with your integrated graphics connected.


You may have to simplify that statement for me. Also integrated graphics? Unplug the GPU and boot without it you mean?
January 9, 2013 8:55:39 AM

If you motherboard has a VGA port plug your monitor into that.

Use the actual connector for the GPU without an adapter in the middle.
January 9, 2013 8:59:43 AM

darth pravus said:
If you motherboard has a VGA port plug your monitor into that.

Use the actual connector for the GPU without an adapter in the middle.


Nothing happens when I boot up.

It recognizes it's been plugged into something when I first plug it in, but nothing happens when I actually power on. Same result.
January 9, 2013 9:12:20 AM

That beep sounds more like the cd drive. Unplug the power for that.

Try a base boot with not cd drive or harddrive and only one stick of ram
January 9, 2013 9:17:39 AM

darth pravus said:
That beep sounds more like the cd drive. Unplug the power for that.

Try a base boot with not cd drive or harddrive and only one stick of ram


Nothing at all. The CD drive was already not working when it WAS booting up, but there aren't any beeps or noises other than fans turning on and spinning.

What I'm guessing is the problem is that I scratched a line or cracked the motherboard when I was trying to get that damn back plate off. It took a hell of a lot more effort than it should have.
January 9, 2013 9:23:57 AM

That's entirely possible I suppose. Mobo damage or static death could be a cause.

Is there any signs of damage on the back?
January 9, 2013 9:27:18 AM

darth pravus said:
That's entirely possible I suppose. Mobo damage or static death could be a cause.

Is there any signs of damage on the back?


Not that I could tell, but there could be under a lot of the unremovable adhesive. I mean I had to use a flathead screwdriver to get the plate off and it's entirely possible that I scratched it.

This was my last try on this mobo before I buy a new one anyways, so I guess I'll buy another and just go from there.


I'll figure this damn thing out eventually.
January 9, 2013 9:34:32 AM

haha I hope you do for my own sanity's sake. A flathead would do it. Especially is you accidently removed some of the solder/contact from the back.

I don't know why a backplate had adhesive.
January 9, 2013 9:38:38 AM

darth pravus said:
haha I hope you do for my own sanity's sake. A flathead would do it. Especially is you accidently removed some of the solder/contact from the back.

I don't know why a backplate had adhesive.


It was a metal plate with an extremely sticky bad on both sides, one side attached to the board and the other to the plate itself. It was literally impossible to get it unstuck without taking it out and wedging the flathead under there as a lever.

Just ridiculous. I'll try and find a suitable motherboard and I'll probably be back here in a week, asking for help again. :p 
January 9, 2013 9:41:46 AM

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