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October 15, 2012 12:14:01 AM

Not that I'm trying to start a flamewar or anything, but I really don't get what benefit there is from Nvidia cards? It seems whenever you go Nvidia you have spend considerably more to get a comparable product to ATI (UK prices). The stuff I'm talking about are things like 7850 vs 560ti, ATI wins across the board and the two are the same price. 7950 vs 670, the 670 edges it slightly in performance and power consumption, but the 670 is around £70 more, both for reference designs and ones with good coolers. Is a 680 really worth the extra £100 over a 7970?

I'm new to the world of GPU's, so someone tell me what I'm not seeing?

Thanks.

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October 15, 2012 12:40:25 AM

cookybiscuit said:
so someone tell me what I'm not seeing?


I think you missed the "no trolling" signs posted on this forum :lol: 

On a more serious note:
1) Some of your comparisons are wrong. HD 7xxx cards are to be compared to GTX 6xx, not 5xx.
2) Your comparison of cards in different price and performance brackets (e.g. 670 vs 7950) could just as easily be applied on an AMD vs AMD level (e.g. 7870 vs 7950) and really has no bearing on your AMD vs Nvidia sentiment
3) High end GPUs are never a great value. Value exists in the low and midrange products and then you increasingly pay a price premium for the high end stuff.
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October 15, 2012 1:11:05 AM

BigMack70 said:
I think you missed the "no trolling" signs posted on this forum :lol: 

On a more serious note:
1) Some of your comparisons are wrong. HD 7xxx cards are to be compared to GTX 6xx, not 5xx.
2) Your comparison of cards in different price and performance brackets (e.g. 670 vs 7950) could just as easily be applied on an AMD vs AMD level (e.g. 7870 vs 7950) and really has no bearing on your AMD vs Nvidia sentiment
3) High end GPUs are never a great value. Value exists in the low and midrange products and then you increasingly pay a price premium for the high end stuff.

1. Suppose.
2. Dont understand what you're getting at?
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October 15, 2012 2:01:31 AM

Nvidia tends to have a bit better drivers (neither is perfect).

PhysicsX (isn't used much though but some people are really interested in it) (someone should develop OpenCL based physics standard)

3D vision support is better (again, only for someone who is interested)

AMD started pricing their current production really aggressively only quite recently.

Nvidia control panel is more customizable.

Some people just prefer one brand over another.

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October 15, 2012 2:54:16 AM

The R7950 GTX 670 R7970 are all best bang for buck you don't put a 560 ti or 7850 in the same sentence as those cards period.With that said, you have to look at how AMD and Nvidia models match up.There is no answer to your question all these cards trade blows there is no clear winner!
GTX660 Ti/R7950
GTX670/R7970
GTX680/ R7970 Ghz
GTX690/ R7990
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October 15, 2012 2:58:20 AM

from your question i think you were asking what bonus or advantages does nvidia have because for the same price you can get better performing gpu from amd camp. in general i can say there is nothing special about nvidia cards while being more expensive than amd counter part :) 

about exclusive features i think it can be subjective. for examples some people care about PhysX because it does add more flavor to the eye candy but some other does even care about it because those extra eye candy will only eat your frame rates and it does not offer gameplay advantage at all.

so for me there is no advantages to nvidia for being expensive to their amd counter part. my personal take on this matter was nvidia did not want to play 'price war' with amd and hit their bottom line while the business is not so good for everyone in the industry.
October 15, 2012 7:32:09 AM

cookybiscuit said:
2. Dont understand what you're getting at?


When you say something like "well, the 670 is a bit better than the 7950 but it's $70 more so is it really worth it?", that's a bit misleading in this context. You could just as easily say "well, the 7950 is a bit better than the 7870 but it's $60 more so is it really worth it?"

See what I mean? That logic/argument doesn't really have anything inherently to do with AMD/Nvidia... you're just comparing cards that are in different price/performance brackets.
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October 15, 2012 7:57:13 AM

as long as we keep it civil i dont think mod will close the thread. IMHO there are no longer extreme fanboi here at toms to flame thread such as this :lol: 
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October 15, 2012 8:04:05 AM

ATI? What!?

Nvidia has much better driver support, features, and reliability.
October 15, 2012 8:28:08 AM

because if you don't buy AMD then they will go bankrupt and you will get stuck with Intel.
There... that's should be good enough reason.

Also, don't listed to paid nvidia staff telling you their drivers are better...

PS: Nvidia murdered 3dfx.
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October 15, 2012 8:31:41 AM

amuffin said:
ATI? What!?

Nvidia has much better driver support, features, and reliability.
:whistle:  your going to start something with remarks like that :lol: 
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October 15, 2012 8:33:18 AM

shura4ever said:
because if you don't buy AMD then they will go bankrupt and you will get stuck with Intel.
There... that's should be good enough reason.

Also, don't listed to those nvidia fanboys telling you drivers are better...

PS: Nvidia murdered 3dfx.
That is your opinion you do realize that right ?And don't call people names that's not nice my mom always told me if you don't have nothing nice to say don't say nothing at all ;) 
October 15, 2012 8:39:36 AM

bigcyco1 said:
That is your opinion you do realize that right ?And don't call people names that's not nice my mom always told me if you don't have nothing nice to say don't say nothing at all ;) 

well.. that's what you and your mom think....
Also, edited to make it more politically correct
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October 15, 2012 10:22:38 AM

Nvidia work closely with a lot of major game developers and the result is Nvidia cards usually work better for these games. Yes AMD cards are cheaper if you are looking at price performance which for most people this is a major selling point. If the comparable performance Nvidia card was the same price as the AMD card a particular person bought I wonder if they would still have gone with the AMD card. I've always been impressed with the Nvidia cards I have bought and as such I don't mind paying extra for the Nvidia card as I know I am getting a quality product. I do own a laptop with an ATI card which is suprisingly powerful when playing games but I find the support for ATI cards to be slightly lacking when compared to Nvidia. One final thing, I am a big sucker for physx, batman arkham city feels empty without it, if you can only afford or a run a single card and want the extra features I would always recomend Nvidia, if you are on a really tight budget then AMD would probably be the way to go.
October 15, 2012 11:07:37 AM

amuffin said:
Nvidia has much better driver support, features, and reliability.


*sigh*

1 - Not any more - maybe a slight edge for multi-GPU but that's it
2 - Nope
3 - Nope

:non: 
October 15, 2012 11:13:56 AM

Darkoil said:
Nvidia work closely with a lot of major game developers and the result is Nvidia cards usually work better for these games. Yes AMD cards are cheaper if you are looking at price performance which for most people this is a major selling point.


*double sigh*

AMD also works with game developers, and for some games it's much better to have an AMD card. You should always check if your games prefer AMD's or Nvidia's cards.
October 15, 2012 11:16:38 AM

I've had it with ATI. Crappy drivers, BSOD's, microstutter on Crossfire setups. I waited ages for them to release a CAP for sleeping dogs, and when they did. It didnt work :fou:  lol So i treated myself to a GTX 690 :bounce: 
October 15, 2012 11:20:23 AM

^^ They are getting better about crossfire, but it's still not a seamless experience. I probably won't do another crossfire setup after this one (my 1st and last) and I guess that says it all (though I also wouldn't go SLI either... multi-GPU just has some inherent problems)

I've had sleeping dogs working pretty much since day 1 on my 7970 crossfire setup though.
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October 15, 2012 11:29:55 AM

Personally i dont care if its green or red (nvidia or ati), just how much im getting for my money.
For me its simple: 30 FPS minimum on demanding games with high to very high settings on full HD.
This time, the cheapest option was 560 Ti. Next time, we will see.
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October 15, 2012 11:30:55 AM

BigMack70 said:
*double sigh*

AMD also works with game developers, and for some games it's much better to have an AMD card. You should always check if your games prefer AMD's or Nvidia's cards.

Yeah I know AMD work with game developers as well, it's just more likely to see that annoyingly loud Nvidia intro on big game releases.
October 15, 2012 11:31:06 AM

BigMack70 said:
^^ They are getting better about crossfire, but it's still not a seamless experience. I probably won't do another crossfire setup after this one (my 1st and last) and I guess that says it all (though I also wouldn't go SLI either... multi-GPU just has some inherent problems)

I've had sleeping dogs working pretty much since day 1 on my 7970 crossfire setup though.



I was using 2 x 6870's. I did get a 7970 but it died on me in like a month and that was my last straw. Although one massive plus crossfire does have over SLI, is that ATI cards can use all the Vram from both cards, so 2 x 2GB graphics cards will give you 4GB Vram with crossfire.
October 15, 2012 11:35:22 AM

Darkoil said:
Yeah I know AMD work with game developers as well, it's just more likely to see that annoyingly loud Nvidia intro on big game releases.


Not true. ATI have some of the big names now. Codemasters racing, ID and Bethesda have all done deals with ATI. Maybe back in the day, Nvida logo poped up at the start of most games. But not anymore.
October 15, 2012 11:39:55 AM

mancsoulja said:
Although one massive plus crossfire does have over SLI, is that ATI cards can use all the Vram from both cards, so 2 x 2GB graphics cards will give you 4GB Vram with crossfire.


Nope, vram does not stack in any type of cf or sli setup sadly.
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October 15, 2012 11:47:55 AM

shura4ever said:
well.. that's what you and your mom think....
Also, edited to make it more politically correct
I think it's important to act like a adult on public forums i am pretty sure the mods won't put up with no non sense so it's good you edited it ;) 
October 15, 2012 12:00:19 PM

'You get what you pay for.'
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October 15, 2012 1:02:56 PM

I like to identify the point of diminishing returns for each new generation of GPUs. Now that the prices have settled down a bit, the best bang for your buck is definitely the 1GB HD 7850, but playing games on Ultra @ 1080 requires a bit more VRAM and muscle this year... The HD 7870 and GTX 660 are my current top picks because they provide great performance for under $250. The most expensive card I would buy right now is the HD 7950 because the HD 7970 and GTX 670 are slightly more expensive than they're worth, and you can overclock any HD 7950 to those cards' level.

It's true there are some nice features if you want to pay slightly more for an Nvidia card, but they don't make a huge difference. And those pathetic 192-bit memory interfaces are likely going to bottleneck you down the road. And at the $200-300 price range, I'd assume you want at least 2-3 years out of the card you choose.
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October 15, 2012 1:03:15 PM

i think both amd and nvidia are great companies. that is why they co-exist with each other . both offer great video cards. its a matter of what you want from your card, what specific features you need decides whether you go for amd or nvidia.
persoanlly i got myself an hd7750 because i felt it was superior to gt640 for a little bit more money. and more suited to my monitor res and also more future proof like for 3 years. so it depends what you need
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October 15, 2012 1:06:07 PM

Sorry, I just don't like AMD :p 
October 15, 2012 1:13:44 PM

I hated AMD/ATI for a long time... always went with NVidia. NVidia is superior, they have the best drivers say the forums. I believed it all! This time around I found a super deal on a 7870 and got it. You know what the difference between the two is? Zero. Exactly the same stuff packaged differently.
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October 15, 2012 4:11:18 PM

dudeknows said:
'You get what you pay for.'


A graphics card and shipping? :) 



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October 15, 2012 4:25:45 PM

amuffin said:
Sorry, I just don't like AMD :p 


maybe you should try harder :lol:  hopefully i can sit and enjoy my pop corn next time :pt1cable: 
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October 15, 2012 4:29:10 PM

I didnt bother to read through the ensuing arguments but here is how I see it.

Each company has great products to offer depending on what your price bracket is..

At the end of the day I prefer Nvidia (imho)

although if there was an AMD GPU that outperformed for less money the next time upgrade fever hits then I would subjectively choose between the two companies.

Having said that I dont see myself upgrading gtx 560ti SLi for a while, besides the fact that I just dont game as hard as I used to. Honestly even 1 560ti would be fine for my needs currently

my 2 cents//.
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October 15, 2012 4:47:45 PM

shura4ever said:
because if you don't buy AMD then they will go bankrupt and you will get stuck with Intel.
There... that's should be good enough reason.

Also, don't listed to paid nvidia staff telling you their drivers are better...

PS: Nvidia murdered 3dfx.
Yeah IMPOSSIBLE, AMD cards are always perfect. They must be paying amuffin hes working for nvidia undercover :sarcastic:  :lol:  your being ridiculous.The answer to this question is different strokes for different folks.
October 15, 2012 5:06:53 PM

I am not a gamer, I use my computer mostly for photo and graphics work and I've used both company's cards. I had many ATI cards, most of then were the All-In-Wonder variety cards that I had because of the video capture feature. They were alright, the constant updating of drivers was kind of a pain, most of the video cards were replaced because they became obsolete in a couple years, like most computer components.
For my most recent computer, I decided to try an Nvidia card from EVGA, a 9800GTX+. I has worked flawlessly for about three years until being replaced by a GT640 because I needed to run three monitors. I have found that EVGA customer service is excellent, they have a "Step-Up" program to upgrade your video card and the cards I have purchased from them are quality products.
For the time being, I like Nvidia. Would I try an AMD card? Sure, I'll buy whatever product gives me the most value for my money and provides the best customer service, who makes it doesn't matter to me that much. I think a lot has to do with the company the manufactures the card, not so much the GPU brand itself.
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October 15, 2012 5:33:58 PM

At a given price point, Nvidia and AMD card are far more similar than they are different. We all like to pretend that we can tell the difference between 60 and 65fps so we have something to argue about.

I also think some people are still using 5-10 year old arguments in this "battle". Driver issues and game compatibility haven't really been a big issue for a long time. AMD and Nvidia both have a big enough marketshare that you wouldn't sell games if they didn't work on both.
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