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December 9, 2012 10:26:44 PM

Idk if this is good for a PC for under $1000

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/rJ9c

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December 10, 2012 12:27:48 AM

edited gpu,mobo, and storage and might pay only $962.63($1005 from amazon only) if bought now with parts from amazon and newegg. the other pc was $979 just from amazon and it wouldve been $945 if bought from newegg and amazon. but this pc is better and still under my budget.

link to edited build
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/rKJv
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December 10, 2012 12:49:19 AM

Why wouldn't you get the i5 3570K to overclock... At least you have the option if you want to. The PSU could be the Hive 750 per suggested in my build guide which would be the same cost and it'd be modular with more wattage and similar efficiency.
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December 11, 2012 12:39:18 AM

I won't oc for sure and I can't find your 750w psu on pcpartpicker but probably find it on newegg
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December 11, 2012 12:46:39 AM

djangoringo said:
Here's my recommendation :

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/rLwp

I like my current case and mobo in my build and 7950 will do my job cause I don't do serious gaming on ultra unless I will post a vid on the average fps bf3 gets on my machine which will most likely not happen.
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December 11, 2012 1:01:01 AM

look at my build. has everything
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December 11, 2012 1:14:40 AM

That xfx 7950 is not a good one, it's not a 7950 boost, at least go with a 7950 vapor-x.
Since you're gonna overclock, and don't need much gpu power the current psu will do well (650w).
My advice is to go with a asrock h77 better board and the i5-3470, no difference in performance vs the i5-3570 (non k).
The case i suggested, it was cause it a great case at a good price now at 69.99$, but tastes are tastes, and that case is great but a bit overkill for your needs, but your choice.
Also the cpu cooler is a noisy one, and for a non overclocked cpu it matter most is the noise, i put a cooler less noisy and even performs better cooling(the patriot rams will not block that cooler).
Also a 2TB hdd for price/GB, for mechanicals hdd, not much difference between the two, matter most is the space.


http://pcpartpicker.com/p/rVpX
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December 11, 2012 1:17:34 AM

dont see why xfx is bad. their stuff is always great and customer support is actually there. i dont see the point of spending 30 bucks more for the same chip when in the end doesnt perform 30 bucks better
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December 11, 2012 1:26:55 AM

xfx: 269.99 after MIR at us.ncix
sapphire: 309.99 after MIR at newegg

both has free shipping

with 30 more dollars than a sapphire card, i can get myself a msi 670 power edition which will overclock like hell after you pump volts into that thing. just that i wouldnt do it
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December 11, 2012 1:36:15 AM

I was doing for newegg and amazon only, in pcpartpicker, didn't have the ncix on, if for that there is the 7970 sapphire that i recommended and beats the 670 gtx, he doesn't want it, i recommend the sapphire brand over the xfx, if he wants a little cheaper and with boost :

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/rVDU


If not this:

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/rVEC


The 660 ti beats the 7950 non boost, meaning if between the xfx 7950(non boost) price, it will be better getting the 660 ti gigabyte, runs more cooler, less noise, less heat, less power consumption.
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December 11, 2012 1:40:27 AM

you recommended a 7950 not 7970.

i doubt the 7950 beats the 670. im more of it matching each other. new drivers are popping up from both sides
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December 11, 2012 2:25:25 AM

Haha, those benchmarks are actually kind of old. But it's one of the few benchmarks that isn't biased. All cards are put to their MAX potential/clocks and then tested. I like benchmarks that do this. I don't know why the HD 7950 isn't already given a clock of 1000 or 1100 MHz. It can easily handle it.

With the new drivers, I'm sure performance will be much better for these cards.
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December 12, 2012 12:20:00 AM

djangoringo said:
That xfx 7950 is not a good one, it's not a 7950 boost, at least go with a 7950 vapor-x.
Since you're gonna overclock, and don't need much gpu power the current psu will do well (650w).
My advice is to go with a asrock h77 better board and the i5-3470, no difference in performance vs the i5-3570 (non k).
The case i suggested, it was cause it a great case at a good price now at 69.99$, but tastes are tastes, and that case is great but a bit overkill for your needs, but your choice.
Also the cpu cooler is a noisy one, and for a non overclocked cpu it matter most is the noise, i put a cooler less noisy and even performs better cooling(the patriot rams will not block that cooler).
Also a 2TB hdd for price/GB, for mechanicals hdd, not much difference between the two, matter most is the space.


http://pcpartpicker.com/p/rVpX

Right now 3470 and 3570 are both 199.99 and 1 tb should be good enough for me I don't download stuff over 10 gb. The only thin that will eat up my hard drives are my game clips from Xbox
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December 12, 2012 12:51:33 AM

http://us.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=72279&promoid...

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0087EVHTE/?tag=pcpapi-20

It's less 10$ between the two cpus.

As for the hdd, you'll never know when needed space, 2TB seems much, but in long run pays off and it's more cheaper than the 1 TB you had.
But if you want the i5-3570 and a 1TB HDD, i made the changes, the 7950 vapor-x still remains cause it's worth for the cooling,boot and overclocking.
Also the cooler as i said it's more silent and the mobo it's better the h77 mvp/pro 4 atx.


http://pcpartpicker.com/p/s53X
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December 12, 2012 12:55:57 AM

i wouldnt bother with zigmatek. not a great brand from what i experienced. had to work with one of their cases the other day. terrible....
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December 12, 2012 1:45:37 AM

doubt it. i see more cases than coolers. but then again its my experience
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December 13, 2012 2:50:20 AM

The motherboard, hard drive, and cases is all I need left. I saw the haf 922 and I like it. But the phantom 410 is my other case I might choose. Or should I go for a different case.For the mother board is the ga-h77-ds3h good or the ASRock H77 MVP. For hard drives 1 tb seems enough to me but 2tb feels like its a little bit too much cause I look for unwanted downloads and files one a month and at least once a month and wipeout 1 gb.Here is what I have in mind now.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/sg1U
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December 13, 2012 3:11:55 AM

If you don't plan on overclocking, here's my recommendation...

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3450 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor ($179.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock H77 Pro4/MVP ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($87.55 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial M4 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($99.99 @ B&H)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card ($299.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($53.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $910.96
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-13 00:07 EST-0500)

I, however, greatly encourage you to at least get the i5 3570k and a compatible motherboard. You may not want to overclock now, but it's possible that you'll change your mind. I didn't think I'd ever want to overclock, but now I'm highly considering it once I get the cash for my upcoming build in February. It's really easy and you don't have to overclock very much. If you want, all you have to do is go in the BIOS and change the multiplier to 40. That'll give you an overclock at 4.0 GHz. Then just save and run a program called Prime95 to test stability. But this is all in due time. You don't have to do it as soon as you buy it. You can just research it a bit until you get comfortable with the idea.
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December 14, 2012 12:09:23 AM

I ve seen a lot of good mid tower cases. But I really like these three

Corsair 400r
NZXT Phantom 410
CM HAF 922

I'm thinking of going with the 400r for now cause it looks like it has the most space and nice cable mangagement. The phantom has good cable management to but looks smaller than the 400r. The haf 922 looks like It doesn't have the holes were you put your cables if you want to hide it. I hav this in mind now

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/sohy
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December 14, 2012 1:06:23 AM

400R is a great case, i prefer this case over most since the pricing and quality is great
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December 14, 2012 9:59:25 AM

xEvanGz said:
I ve seen a lot of good mid tower cases. But I really like these three

Corsair 400r
NZXT Phantom 410
CM HAF 922

I'm thinking of going with the 400r for now cause it looks like it has the most space and nice cable mangagement. The phantom has good cable management to but looks smaller than the 400r. The haf 922 looks like It doesn't have the holes were you put your cables if you want to hide it. I hav this in mind now

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/sohy


-no need for a cooler if you are not overclocking. the 212 evo isnt even quiet if you are trying to achieve
-no point of a atx board. get something like a asrock h77m
-corsair ram is pretty expensive. i can find patriot intel extreme masters for 31.99
-there are cheaper 7950s and there is a 7870 from sapphire for 184.99 after MIR
-550w is more than enough. xfx has one for 49.99. made by seasonic as well
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December 15, 2012 12:19:11 AM

TheBigTroll said:
-no need for a cooler if you are not overclocking. the 212 evo isnt even quiet if you are trying to achieve
-no point of a atx board. get something like a asrock h77m
-corsair ram is pretty expensive. i can find patriot intel extreme masters for 31.99
-there are cheaper 7950s and there is a 7870 from sapphire for 184.99 after MIR
-550w is more than enough. xfx has one for 49.99. made by seasonic as well

I prefer atx boards and I think I'm now going with the xfx psu and patriot ram they both have good reviews. And most people say hyper 212 evo is not that loud. I would prefer a quiet pc but my family is used to a loud pc. My current pc is both loud and quiet. Playing games or browsing the hard drive is when it tends to get a little bit louder.
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December 15, 2012 10:30:17 AM

theres literally no performance gain.
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December 15, 2012 7:32:58 PM

DeusAres said:
If you don't plan on overclocking, here's my recommendation...

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3450 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor ($179.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock H77 Pro4/MVP ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($87.55 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial M4 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($99.99 @ B&H)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card ($299.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($53.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $910.96
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-13 00:07 EST-0500)

I, however, greatly encourage you to at least get the i5 3570k and a compatible motherboard. You may not want to overclock now, but it's possible that you'll change your mind. I didn't think I'd ever want to overclock, but now I'm highly considering it once I get the cash for my upcoming build in February. It's really easy and you don't have to overclock very much. If you want, all you have to do is go in the BIOS and change the multiplier to 40. That'll give you an overclock at 4.0 GHz. Then just save and run a program called Prime95 to test stability. But this is all in due time. You don't have to do it as soon as you buy it. You can just research it a bit until you get comfortable with the idea.

Like you said get the 3570k with compatible mobo and oc in the future which is what I might do now

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/sDO8
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December 19, 2012 5:28:56 PM

Since the newer generation of graphics cards are coming, should I wait for them or stick with the 7950
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December 19, 2012 5:41:17 PM

TheBigTroll said:
made it cheaper and added a SSD.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/rK3Q

should perform more or less equal


Stop with these shitty SSD picks, it seems to be all over the internet.

MTBF, 1,200,000

SR=500mb/s

SW=175mb/s

4KB RR= 45k iops

4KB RW= 35k iops

price: 109.99

vs Corsair GT 120 for 19.99 more

MTBF, 2,000,000

SR=555mb/s

SW=515mb/s

4KB RR= 85k iops

4KB RW=Unknown.

And even better ReadIopsYay
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December 19, 2012 7:52:14 PM

A build recommend because of quality parts and reliable name brands:
I saw someone say that the 7950 competes with the 670, which is totaly not true at all. If it does please show recent benchmarks. The 670 competes with the 7970 non GH edition and the 7950 though a small step above the 660 Ti is still behind the 670. Prove me wrong with a link to show otherwise I'd welcome the read.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($45.86 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($67.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card ($290.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: NZXT Phantom 410 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: SeaSonic G 550W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $904.79
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-19 16:50 EST-0500)

You could swap out the HDD to a SSD if you wish or have that as a future upgrade.
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December 19, 2012 7:56:39 PM

sorry I missed the part that you wont oc for sure. Is there any particular reason?
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December 19, 2012 7:59:34 PM

TheBigTroll said:
the specs mean nothing. most ssds dont even hit their specs. note that the m4 has experienced many firmware updates since.

and since 10 days ago, there are cheaper SSDs that are just as good

like this
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


No, no and no

You're dumb, stop posting.

The specs do mean something, SSD do hit their specs, firmware updates don't fix *** specs, and that SSD is not as good as its IOPS are *** kinda like you're SSD recommendations. If you stop buying bad SSD you might hit your specs. Get leet or go home. Bad consumers vote with their wallets in the free market, and you are one of them. Intel, and pretty much all of the other manufacturers outside of Corsair and Mushkin were trash pre Vertex 4 and 840 Pro. They were trash because consumers like yourself buy the sloppy seconds.
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December 19, 2012 8:02:21 PM

After reviewing the thread a little more here is an updated build suggestion:
Includes SSD, HDD, Reputable GPU, and Great reliable PSU:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3450 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor ($191.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H77-DS3H ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($93.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Patriot Intel Extreme Master, Limited Ed 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($31.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($67.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($97.99 @ B&H)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card ($290.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: NZXT Phantom 410 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: SeaSonic G 550W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $944.92
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-19 17:01 EST-0500)
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December 19, 2012 8:11:15 PM

Apropo said:
A build recommend because of quality parts and reliable name brands:
I saw someone say that the 7950 competes with the 670, which is totaly not true at all. If it does please show recent benchmarks. The 670 competes with the 7970 non GH edition and the 7950 though a small step above the 660 Ti is still behind the 670. Prove me wrong with a link to show otherwise I'd welcome the read.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($45.86 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($67.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card ($290.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: NZXT Phantom 410 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: SeaSonic G 550W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $904.79
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-19 16:50 EST-0500)

You could swap out the HDD to a SSD if you wish or have that as a future upgrade.


Benchmarks:
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/08/23/galaxy_gtx_66...

It's highly dependent on the game. But the HD 7950 does, indeed, compete with the gtx 670.
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December 19, 2012 8:35:42 PM

Apropo said:
After reviewing the thread a little more here is an updated build suggestion:
Includes SSD, HDD, Reputable GPU, and Great reliable PSU:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3450 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor ($191.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H77-DS3H ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($93.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Patriot Intel Extreme Master, Limited Ed 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($31.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($67.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($97.99 @ B&H)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card ($290.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: NZXT Phantom 410 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: SeaSonic G 550W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $944.92
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-19 17:01 EST-0500)


Good build except the SSD. But its better then what you had. Go with what tom hardware reviewed, and liked : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... "Best of Computex 2012” Awards – Tom’s Hardware"

7950 is a good pick for the price, but there is a deal on a 670 by MSI, which means its probably unlocked voltages @ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... 359, with a 20 dollar rebate. For any sane person, that should be hard to pass up on xD
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December 19, 2012 8:41:41 PM

DeusAres said:
Benchmarks:
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/08/23/galaxy_gtx_66...

It's highly dependent on the game. But the HD 7950 does, indeed, compete with the gtx 670.



No it actually doesn't try again please. Maybe link something from a less bias source say here tomshardware or something else.
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December 19, 2012 8:42:58 PM

Praxeology said:
Good build except the SSD. But its better then what you had. Go with what tom hardware reviewed, and liked : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... "Best of Computex 2012” Awards – Tom’s Hardware"

7950 is a good pick for the price, but there is a deal on a 670 by MSI, which means its probably unlocked voltages @ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... 359, with a 20 dollar rebate. For any sane person, that should be hard to pass up on xD



The 840 with new firmware update is great though I do prefer the 830. I completely agree that deal for the 670 is amazing and shouldn't be overlooked.
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December 19, 2012 8:45:54 PM

Apropo said:
No it actually doesn't try again please.

I just provided you with benchmarks. If you can't accept reality, that's your prerogative. Continuing upon that path of fanboyism is going to cost you a lot of money.

[Edit]
Hardocp is a perfectly reliable source. Tom's Hardware doesn't provide benchmarks with the HD 7950 overclocked. Instead, they use the underclocked version of the card knowing well that it has huge overclocking potential.
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December 19, 2012 8:48:16 PM

DeusAres said:
I just provided you with benchmarks. If you can't accept reality, that's your prerogative. Continuing upon that path of fanboyism is going to cost you a lot of money.

No I can't accept it because its not true. It may have been more reliable when people weren't getting voltage locked cards and could overclock the snot out of them but no way to many 7950s I've tested can not compete vs 670s, they can compete and beat 660 Tis that is for sure.. Can the 7950 come close yes but the 670? sure. But the 670 Competes more so with the 7970 more so and the 7950 rarely, RARELY can beat the 670 which can in turn beat it in more games than not.... Justify the 7950 all you want it does not compete with the 670.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Catalyst_12.11_P...
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December 19, 2012 8:49:13 PM

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/hardware/best_ssd

This compared the Samsung Pro, the best SSD on the market, to the GTX and it slimly beats it in every category. The regular samsung 840 will lose to the GTX and lol @ at the 830. For 20 dollars more, get the better buy. Don't be scared off by the reviews, only 5 people have reviewed it. Here is the bigger version http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Here is the exact ssd I am recommending on amazon with more reviews http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Neutron-Exclusive-LM87800...
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December 19, 2012 8:51:23 PM

Praxeology said:
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/hardware/best_ssd

This compared the Samsung Pro, the best SSD on the market, to the GTX and it slimly beats it in every category. The regular samsung 840 will lose to the GTX and lol @ at the 830. For 20 dollars more, get the better buy.


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December 19, 2012 8:59:20 PM

Ah, here's one by Tom's Hardware comparing Crysis 2.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7950-revi...

For $100 less than the GTX 670, the HD 7950 is a worthy adversary. And kudos to you for using a biased source. Battlefield 3 highly favors Nvidia cards. Not to mention, I bet the 7950 they're using isn't even overclocked.

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December 19, 2012 9:01:20 PM

Look at the entire review..... And let me re state something incase people want to know: the 7950 vanilla cards did not have their voltage locked. For some strange reason the Manus started locking voltages since then. It has put an even greater GPU lottery because a lot of 7950s are now locked and can not, I repeat CAN NOT reach those sky high overclocks anymore making them not advisable unless competing against the 660 Ti... If you can get a non locked card BY ALL MEANS go for it but the risk it is locked is great.
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