okay thanks guys and yea i was looking at becnhmarks and i was seeing how the reference cards were a good 10 fps apart on the battlefeild 3 1080p high settings benchmark, but i couldnt find anything on the xfx cards so i just was referring next to the reference cards, also i was looking at other 7870s and they all sem to be arouind 40-50 bucks more expensive, is it just a sale or am i missing something?