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Early Reviews on AMD Catalyst 12.11 drivers

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October 22, 2012 4:51:54 AM

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I wasn't even aware 12.11 was already slated, felt like 12.8 didn't happen too long ago. What surprised me most about these reviews is the ridiculous jump in Battlefield 3 performance, to the point that different price point AMD cards have equaled or surpassed their nvidia price point counterparts. Sadly, no movement in power consumption with the cards. GCN has really been a large refreshment when it comes to drivers for AMD. I'm going to assume Toms might test as well?(while all the review sites will be busy for the upcoming FX-8350 Benchmarks either tommorrow or the day after)

Thoughts?

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October 22, 2012 10:37:07 AM

What a hell of a bundle :S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S
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October 22, 2012 11:08:00 AM

Mother of god what the hell they did in BF3?Huge gains.Nvidia where our performance drivers?.Kudos to AMD but still took them 1 year to make such drivers.Which is a fail.lol

But really those BF3 improvements are unreal.As if after 1 year after the game released they finally figured out which line of code in there driver was killing performance.

I bet that what you get if you buy AMD.You tend to enjoy games at there max performance 1 year after release.:D 

Waiting for resident AMD fanboys one by the name mack to bash me now.D

And why i have a sneaky feeling nvidia will response to this BF3 improvements since it seem this imrpovements are map specific and not the whole game.
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October 22, 2012 11:34:19 AM

12.11, We are still on 12.8, AMD are going to release 3 more drivers in 10 days? Or am I just wrong in how they name them?

Damn, most of the performance gains are on the 7970, and what big improvements there are on the 7870 are games I don't own...

That being said, I think my brothers PC could do with a HD7770 if it gets me Far Cry 3, that's reason enough for me :D 

Gotta love AMD, really supporting their user-base with amazing driver updates. I hope this will force Nvidia to finally drop their prices or push out a similar driver update.
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October 22, 2012 11:36:40 AM

Yeah its about time we get some performance drivers from nvidia also.
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October 22, 2012 12:42:52 PM

manofchalk said:
12.11, We are still on 12.8, AMD are going to release 3 more drivers in 10 days? Or am I just wrong in how they name them?


No, it's because of their naming scheme, 12 represents the year (2012) and 8 the month (august). 12.11 will be the drivers published in november 2012.
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October 22, 2012 1:34:53 PM

I do love bundled games..

it looks like all the benefits was to BF3, Dirt and AvP...
so if you play BF3 and most of us probably do then it's nice for 7970 runners.

to be honest, just another fresh set of drivers nothing more.
nVidia will be doing the same soon and then Radeon again.
it's just a cycle.
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October 22, 2012 3:08:44 PM

manofchalk said:
12.11, We are still on 12.8, AMD are going to release 3 more drivers in 10 days? Or am I just wrong in how they name them?

Damn, most of the performance gains are on the 7970, and what big improvements there are on the 7870 are games I don't own...

That being said, I think my brothers PC could do with a HD7770 if it gets me Far Cry 3, that's reason enough for me :D 

Gotta love AMD, really supporting their user-base with amazing driver updates. I hope this will force Nvidia to finally drop their prices or push out a similar driver update.



You are correct about the naming 12(year).8(month) but earlier this year AMD made the decision that they would no longer update monthly, only as needed. 12.8 was August, 12.11 will be November but there wont be a 12.9, 12.10.
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October 22, 2012 6:41:41 PM

AdioKIP said:
You are correct about the naming 12(year).8(month) but earlier this year AMD made the decision that they would no longer update monthly, only as needed. 12.8 was August, 12.11 will be November but there wont be a 12.9, 12.10.


There has already been a 12.9 beta. and also a 12.10 driver, but only for embedded systems or something along those lines.
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October 22, 2012 6:44:25 PM


The improvements are certainly impressive, well done AMD!

Now I am personally finding it near impossible to recommend to my friends buying a nvidia this holiday season. Such aggressive value propositions AND performance.
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October 22, 2012 10:45:59 PM

Although my 3DMark 11 graphics score stayed the same from 12.9 to 12.10 to 12.11 on my A8-3500M APU (6620G)+6750M combo, my physics score went up over 25%! Nobody thought about them improving GPGPU performance for the non-GCN cards. ;) 
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October 23, 2012 3:45:29 AM

i just installed 12.11 from 12.8 and my WEI graphics scores went from 7.4 to 7.9. yay. should also point out when i got the 7.4 it was with my card at 990mhz and a voltage bump. now im at 920mhz with no voltage bump. very nice indeed. should also point out i can't overclock as much now, i get wicked graphical errors.
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October 23, 2012 11:18:36 AM

MWisBest said:
Although my 3DMark 11 graphics score stayed the same from 12.9 to 12.10 to 12.11 on my A8-3500M APU (6620G)+6750M combo, my physics score went up over 25%! Nobody thought about them improving GPGPU performance for the non-GCN cards. ;) 


Same here with a 6990... My combined test is considerably higher and not to mention the improved low power state.

**Quite a few reviews and they are all good**

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews [...] rformance/
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October 23, 2012 8:18:14 PM

proffet said:
NVIDIA Releases the Performance-Boosting GeForce 310.33 Beta Driver
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/news.php?newsid=4796

told ya it was coming.
it's a never-ending cycle.


Doesn't show anything other than calling them "performance".

But I'll download it and test with my 580m SLI.
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October 23, 2012 8:37:34 PM

let me know how it goes, I'm not installing them on mine.
I for one do not do beta..
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October 23, 2012 9:14:07 PM

that could just be a twitch....
run it a few times and I bet you'll get different results.

in other words, I'm betting until the final release (if it's different), the drivers aren't about much and certainly not the jump as these Radeon drivers.
green looses this round of driver releases.
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October 23, 2012 9:18:56 PM

proffet said:
that could just be a twitch....
run it a few times and I bet you'll get different results.

in other words, I'm betting until the final release (if it's different), the drivers aren't about much and certainly not the jump as these Radeon drivers.
green looses this round of driver releases.


Really doesn't matter to me since I have both. And you're right, I'll get different results every time... just have to find the mean score. Would be nice to get some extra performance on both machines though. :)  Would like to see some Kepler benches since I'm testing with Fermi... **hint hint**
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October 23, 2012 11:20:22 PM

I have to replace a busted Antec 620 this evening, stop working and now I have to go back to my old CM TX3 with dual 92mm fans.
so now both units are on air..

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a b À AMD
October 24, 2012 12:13:28 AM

proffet said:
NVIDIA Releases the Performance-Boosting GeForce 310.33 Beta Driver
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/news.php?newsid=4796

told ya it was coming.
it's a never-ending cycle.



the performance increase(and decrease for some) isn't as big as the 12.11. Users a few installation problems were also noted on overclock net when i read on nvidia users view on the drivers. its a cycle, but AMD tends to get larger pushes on serious changes because of the fact that nvidia drivers are already more "initially" stable. So AMD cards tend to have much more room for driver improvement, so it isnt the Hardware side of AMD that is failing, its the software. GCN is an extremely capable architecture.


edit: think of the software simlar to AMD and intel on cpu(without as big of a gap). The intel from sandy bridge to ivy was ~5% increase. the increase from Bulldozer to Vishera was greater than 10%.

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October 24, 2012 2:09:27 AM





maxing everything on Unigine 3.0... my stock HD 7950 got: using the 12.11 beta driver...

1080p:

FPS:
40.5
Scores:
1020
Min FPS:
15.8
Max FPS:
99.5
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October 24, 2012 9:15:43 AM

proffet said:
let me know how it goes, I'm not installing them on mine.
I for one do not do beta..

same here. "beta" just sounds too risky and only for professionals/enthusiasts/risk takers etc
i for one will settle for 12.10 whql for now and install 12.11 whql when it comes out in november
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a b À AMD
October 24, 2012 10:23:17 AM

Just ran 3DMark 11 Basic before and after installing the 12.11 Beta.
The difference is pretty dramatic.

The System.
3570k @ 4.2Ghz, Sapphire Radeon HD7870 (1150Mhz Core, 1375Mhz Memory), 8GB of 1600Mhz CL9 RAM. Benchmark was run from an OCZ Vertex 4 128GB (1.4 firmware) at ~50% capacity.
Any info about the bench itself is in the links, as well as more info on each stage of the test.
Using 3D Mark 11 v1.03.0

Before (12.10 driver).
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/4740745
Score: P6825 3DMarks
Graphics Score: 6663
Physics Score :7839
Combined Score: 6747

After (12.11 Beta v4)
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/4740914
Score: P8283 3DMarks
Graphics Score: 8458
Physics Score: 7996
Combined Score: 7525

That's a pretty big improvement. The 3D Mark Score went up by near 2000 and the Graphics score did the same, The Overall score by almost 800. Physics score stayed somewhat the same, but that's to be expected since that is largely CPU bound. Still, that is a pretty good result from a single driver update.

When I updated the driver to the Beta, it closed MSI Afterburner (disabling my overclock) and I didn't realize before it was through the test.
Results are pretty good on there as well, actually beats the 12.10 score despite the lack of overclocking.

Stock Clocks (1000Mhz Core, 1200Mhz Memory) on the 12.11 Beta
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/4740809
Score: P7494 3DMarks
Graphics Score: 7400
Physics Score: 7991
Combined Score: 7515
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October 24, 2012 10:34:06 AM

manofchalk said:
Just ran 3DMark 11 Basic before and after installing the 12.11 Beta.
The difference is pretty dramatic.

The System.
3570k @ 4.2Ghz, Sapphire Radeon HD7870 (1150Mhz Core, 1375Mhz Memory), 8GB of 1600Mhz CL9 RAM. Benchmark was run from an OCZ Vertex 4 128GB (1.4 firmware) at ~50% capacity.
Any info about the bench itself is in the links, as well as more info on each stage of the test.
Using 3D Mark 11 v1.03.0

Before (12.10 driver).
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/4740745
Score: P6825 3DMarks
Graphics Score: 6663
Physics Score :7839
Combined Score: 6747

After (12.11 Beta v4)
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/4740914
Score: P8283 3DMarks
Graphics Score: 8458
Physics Score: 7996
Combined Score: 7525

That's a pretty big improvement. The 3D Mark Score went up by near 2000 and the Graphics score did the same, The Overall score by almost 800. Physics score stayed somewhat the same, but that's to be expected since that is largely CPU bound. Still, that is a pretty good result from a single driver update.

When I updated the driver to the Beta, it closed MSI Afterburner (disabling my overclock) and I didn't realize before it was through the test.
Results are pretty good on there as well, actually beats the 12.10 score despite the lack of overclocking.

Stock Clocks (1000Mhz Core, 1200Mhz Memory) on the 12.11 Beta
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/4740809
Score: P7494 3DMarks
Graphics Score: 7400
Physics Score: 7991
Combined Score: 7515


That great!

**Note on the beta's. They usually end up WHQL... I've never really had any problems other than some minor bugs in games. From my understanding, the difference between beta and WHQL is Microsoft's stamp of approval.
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October 24, 2012 10:55:59 AM

manofchalk - nice..

RussK1 - the difference between beta and WHQL is Microsoft's stamp of approval.
good to know..
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October 25, 2012 7:38:14 AM

Hey guys, here are my results. My setup is as follows :

Mobo : MSI Z77A-G43
CPU : Intel 2600K (o/c to 4.5GHz)
Memory : Patriot Viper 3 Intel Extreme Edition Memory 1600MHz rated 9-9-9-24 (o/c to 1866 @ 10-11-10-27 stock 1.5v)
SSD : Corsair Force GT 240GB
HDD : Western Digital 1TB Green
GFX : Asus HD7870 DirectCU II (o/c 1200core/1450mem) [Model:HD7870-DC2O-2GD5]



I had issues overclocking on the 12.8 Driver, so I rolled back to 12.6 just a few days ago and was able to achieve a stable overclock. I am running 1200 gpu core / 1450 memory on the 12.6 overclock, and now also the 12.11 beta 4 drivers. Here are my results:



12.8 Driver (Stock clock 1010/1210)

3DMarks : P7308 [[ on 12.6 drivers w/ 1200/1450 o/c it came in at P7728 at best ]]

GRAPHICS SCORE
6959
PHYSICS SCORE
10591
COMBINED SCORE
6720


12.11 beta 4 Driver (Overclocked 1200/1450)

3DMarks : P8861

GRAPHICS SCORE
8661
PHYSICS SCORE
10256
COMBINED SCORE
8598
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December 30, 2012 2:46:52 AM

MWisBest said:
There has already been a 12.9 beta. and also a 12.10 driver, but only for embedded systems or something along those lines.


I am using the 12.10 driver for my Desktop.......However the 12.11 is a Major update (not a minor one). So expect a lot of performance imporvments and fixes in many games!

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December 30, 2012 2:49:19 AM

MWisBest said:
Although my 3DMark 11 graphics score stayed the same from 12.9 to 12.10 to 12.11 on my A8-3500M APU (6620G)+6750M combo, my physics score went up over 25%! Nobody thought about them improving GPGPU performance for the non-GCN cards. ;) 



On the AMD 12.11 Beta release notes it says:

3DMark Vantage - Up to 15%
3Dmark 11 - Up to 12%

Make sure you install Beta11 which is the latest and re-test. I am assuming you should get a better score.....
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December 30, 2012 2:51:37 AM

proffet said:
NVIDIA Releases the Performance-Boosting GeForce 310.33 Beta Driver
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/news.php?newsid=4796

told ya it was coming.
it's a never-ending cycle.


But the gains are way much lower than the equivalent AMD drivers....
and also the game list is much smaller too....
I mean 4% in Dragon Age 2? .....What would that be 3-4 Frames equivalent?
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