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December 11, 2012 4:39:21 PM

The last computer I built was back in 2006/2007...
I'm so far out of the loop on the tech nowadays, I could really use some advice.

I was looking at simply upgrading my GPU, but at the prices I'm seeing, not to mention the non-compatibility factor with my aging m2n-sli deluxe, I might as well spend the extra $100 or so and build another rig while using my leftovers...


What I WON'T need:
Case - I've got an Antec P180
PSU - I've got a Corsair 550W
Drives - I've SATA II's coming out of my ears
Optical - I've these coming out of my ears as well
Monitor - I've already got two 27" widescreens
Keyboard/Mouse - Got this covered as well


Something built around this I'm thinking:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I was thinking maybe an ASUS board like this, but this seems overkill:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


I'll still need RAM (G.Skill has never given me any problems) and a GPU.
That's where you guys come in...
Any suggestions on what my money would be better spent on?


I'll be mainly using this for MasterCAM/Solidworks and some light gaming.
I require at LEAST 1 HDMI port on the GPU so I can hook my plasma screen...

If we can keep this under $500-$600 that would be awesome!


Thanks in advance for the assist...

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December 11, 2012 4:55:49 PM

You don't need that motherboard, waste of money, really, thermal shield does nothing, just a flashy case around a motherboard.
i5 3570k is exactly what you want for gaming, G.skill is okay, But I don't like them all that much, Heatspreaders interfere with Heatsink clearance, if you go G.skill, get low profile, if not g.skill, Corsair, Crucial or (Can't believe I'm about to type this) Mushkin.
500-600 I see 7850 or 7870 drifting around, along with 660 or 660 ti.
Keep us posted if you can stretch the budget any more.
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December 11, 2012 5:08:41 PM

How much more does it need to stretch for just those four components?
CPU, MB, RAM, GPU

Just com in as low as you can while still using decent, and reliable, components please.

If we come in at no more than $700 my wife will thank you and not behead me, lol...
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December 11, 2012 5:17:53 PM

Is your $500-600 price limit including the cost of the CPU and motherboard you have selected? (Leaving only $150 or less for the GPU and RAM?)

One thing you might want to consider: Intel is releasing their Haswell line of processors in the first half of next year. If you can wait 4-6 months then it might be a good idea to build then as Haswell will be utilizing a new Socket type.
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December 11, 2012 5:27:21 PM

CPU: I went with the 3470 in the build because you didn't really state whether or not you were wanting to overclock so there is almost really no need to go with a K series chip.
Motherboard: I went with a baseline Asrock z77 board however I will provide another build with a H77 board because if you really have no intent on overclocking you may save a little of money there.
Ram: I would of gone with the gskill ares series ram but the corsair low profile ram kits were cheaper and that will be more then enough you have room to expand in the future if you wish to 16 GB.
Video Card: I went with the 7870 I tried really hard to move in the 660Ti it was just a little bit over your budget and so I went with the 7870 a more then capable card.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3470 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($149.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($129.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($41.98 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Asus Radeon HD 7870 GHz Edition 2GB Video Card ($239.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $561.95
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-11 14:21 EST-0500)

with the h77 board
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3470 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($149.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H77M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($41.98 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Asus Radeon HD 7870 GHz Edition 2GB Video Card ($239.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $521.94
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-11 14:25 EST-0500)

gives you room for more graphics so I'll up that in this one. I think the price is bugged it says $591.00 on pcparkpicker
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3470 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($149.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H77M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($41.98 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 660 Ti 2GB Video Card ($269.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $551.94
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-11 14:27 EST-0500)
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December 11, 2012 5:42:36 PM

For the applications he stated that will be his main use, wouldn't an Amd solution work better? Light gaming can be accomplished with a Vishera cpu, namelt an 8320. Slightly cheaper cost for the motherboard as well.
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December 11, 2012 5:49:39 PM

I won't be overclocking.
My budget is to be for all four components.

How do the 7870 and 660 compare?
I'm assuming that they'll blow my aging 8800GTX out of the water?

What about the Gigabyte vs the ASRock?
I'm not familiar with them, but they do seem to be pretty popular on Newegg... :/ 
I'm guessing either will shame my, also aging, m2n-sli deluxe?
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December 11, 2012 6:56:52 PM

The regular 660 holds it on but isn't nearly as good as the Ti here is a comparison I'll leave a few for you.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/660?vs=548

And here is one of the 7870 and the 660Ti the 660Ti comes ahead in most benchmarks however that being said the 7870 holds its own. In my opinion. The only reason I'd get the Ti was to overclock and see if I could get closer to the 670 or for the extra eye candy things that nvidia does a better job with namely physx (which there are limited titles that use it) and 3D. Otherwise I'd go with the 7870 save a little.

And now the fun benchmarks how much of a distance the newer cards place against the 8800gt
7870 v 8800gt
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/521?vs=548
660Ti v 8800gt
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/521?vs=647

@Sword
I have a hard time recommending a AMD platform to people. I feel that Intel provides a superior solution and at the price range that he is at I can say that him getting a i5 will have better results then if he were to go with a 8320 or below.

here is a review of the new piledriver cpu's
http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/cpu_mainboard/amd_vi...
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December 11, 2012 10:58:00 PM

s3ntyn3l said:
I won't be overclocking.
My budget is to be for all four components.

How do the 7870 and 660 compare?
I'm assuming that they'll blow my aging 8800GTX out of the water?

What about the Gigabyte vs the ASRock?
I'm not familiar with them, but they do seem to be pretty popular on Newegg... :/ 
I'm guessing either will shame my, also aging, m2n-sli deluxe?

What about future upgrade-ability? Do you want to ability to potentially drop in a second GPU in the future?

I personally like these parts for your situation:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($129.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Patriot Intel Extreme Master, Limited Ed 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($31.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card ($199.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $561.96
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-11 19:55 EST-0500)

I know the 7850 is a lesser part compared to some of the other GPUs recommended, but I think you would be happy with its performance and definitely the quality. (This one comes with a lifetime warranty as well).
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December 12, 2012 2:22:29 PM

s3ntyn3l said:
I'm thinking of going this route:
https://secure.newegg.com/WishList/MySavedWishDetail.aspx?ID=29262908


I'm curious, would the 7850 work in my M2N-SLI Deluxe?
If so, I may consider getting the GPU now and wait until the prices drop a bit from either Intel's new products hitting and/or the post Christmas sales.

What do you all think?

Did you make that wishlist public? I can't view it.

As far as the 7850 working in your MB... I can't honestly say for sure. Everything I'm reading (on Newegg and ASUS product pages) seems to indicate that you have a PCIe x16 (1.0) slot on that motherboard. From what I have read at various websites, PCIe 3.0 (like the Radeon 7000 series cards) is supposed to be backwards compatible with all previous PCIe (2.1, 2.0, 1.0, etc.) revisions. However, others have reported issues when using a 3.0 card in a 1.0 slot, even after flashing to the most recent BIOS. Best case scenario would have the card functioning but being bottlenecked by the PCIe x16 1.0 slot bandwidth limitation. Worst case scenario would have the card not function and then you have to go purchase the new CPU/MB/RAM like you originally planned.

So, in a nutshell, I don't see any major technical flaw in your plan there. However, CPU/MB/RAM prices are actually holding relatively steady while GPU prices are on a relatively steady downward trend (Check out the recent history in TH's monthly GPU recommendation articles). Depending on what stores you intend to use when you make your purchases, my best guess puts you saving around $20 or less by waiting on purchasing those three parts if sale prices drop to their Black Friday levels. Check out the price change graph on any PCpartpicker.com build list to get an idea of what prices have done in the last few months.
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December 12, 2012 4:37:57 PM

Yes, the wishlist was made public.
Although, When I search for it, I can't find it either... :??: 

Perhaps this link works correctly?: http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx...

Here's the individual links just in case:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Any foreseen issues with my chosen components?

My OCZ 550W PSU should suffice, yes?
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December 12, 2012 5:15:51 PM

s3ntyn3l said:
Yes, the wishlist was made public.
Although, When I search for it, I can't find it either... :??: 

Perhaps this link works correctly?: http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx...

Here's the individual links just in case:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Any foreseen issues with my chosen components?

My OCZ 550W PSU should suffice, yes?

Yes, that link worked. I do like that list of components. The i5 3570K will give you a *slight* performance boost over the 3450, so if saving $20 isn't that important to you then it is fine sticking with it. The biggest reason most people give for choosing the 3570K over the 3450 is because the 3570K has an unlocked core, making it more readily overclock-able.

I do think you could get equal performance from some less expensive RAM, especially if you are willing to purchase from Amazon.com, but we are only talking about ~$10.

Can you give the model# of your power supply? 550W should be enough for those components, but I would like to verify its actual output capabilities before telling you it will be fine.
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December 13, 2012 8:41:43 PM

Yeah, I'm not worrying about $20 difference.
Who knows, I might get everything together and decide I want to overclock it.
The unlocked core would make things easier for sure.

Here's the PSU I'm running: OCZ-ZS550W
Not the best by any means, but it was cheap and fit the bill in a hurry when my previous one went dead after five years of daily punishment...
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December 13, 2012 10:33:27 PM

s3ntyn3l said:
Yeah, I'm not worrying about $20 difference.
Who knows, I might get everything together and decide I want to overclock it.
The unlocked core would make things easier for sure.

Here's the PSU I'm running: OCZ-ZS550W
Not the best by any means, but it was cheap and fit the bill in a hurry when my previous one went dead after five years of daily punishment...

The first thing I look at with PSU specifications is the +12V Rail. Yours has a single rail (good thing) rated for 38A, giving a total output of 456W on that 12V rail. That's not the best +12V output I've seen from a 550W PSU, but I do think it should be able to handle a single Radeon 7850 without a problem. If you ever decide to drop a second one in and Crossfire them then you will probably need something a little beefier, but you should be fine for now.
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December 13, 2012 10:36:56 PM

Yea that should sort of dictate where you go power supply wise. If you are someone that buys mid level cards you should be okay but say you venture into the higher end cards you would want something more sufficient.
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