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December 12, 2012 1:08:51 AM

Okay so I am building a computer for xmas. My limit is 600.00 not including tax. but has to include shipping. I live in ottawa ontario canada. My main focus for this system is mainly media storage. and Microsoft Flight Simulator X which runs a lot of backup programs, for weather and maps,Vatsim online network, I also do a bit or guitar recording.
I curently have a 1 tb hardrive and a dvd rom. So these are the parts I picked from pcpartpicker. Date of purchase is week before xmas when everything is suppose to be cheaper that is why the 643.00 price tag hoping prices will drop if not I am going to go with small ssd drive. Really just want to put operating system and fsx and all addons on that drive.

CPU Intel Core i5-3570 3.4GHz Quad-Core $209.99
Motherboard MSI Z77A-G41 ATX LGA1155 $69.99
Memory Mushkin Silverline 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1333 $55.00
Storage OCZ Vertex Plus 60GB 2.5" SSD $66.99
Video Card MSI GeForce GTX 650 1GB $114.99
Case Logisys CS206BK ATX Mid Tower w/480W Power Supply $29.99
Operating System Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) $96.99
total 643.00
Thanks in advance for anyone helping its now crunch time. oh and I am pretty firm with the 600 to 640 but has to be 600 at time of buy thanks

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a b B Homebuilt system
December 12, 2012 1:16:57 AM

You don't want that power supply, 16GB is a waste, 8 is more than enough already. Z77 board is really only worth it for overclocking and your processor can't be overclocked. Vertex Plus is a pretty ancient model IIRC.

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December 12, 2012 1:29:38 AM

Thanks for the quick reply but you said nothing to actually help me. Like why do I not want that power supply when My computer is only 235 watts. Why do I not want 8 gb memory when I explained I would be using this computer for recording music and running msfs x with 5 other programs in the background running. for microsoft flight sim x. what is vertex. and if that board and psu is not good then which ones are that will fit into my budget thanks.
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December 12, 2012 1:41:31 AM

I'm with twelve about the board/processor thing. The board is meant for overclocking, and you have a locked processor. My suggestion is to keep the board, but spring $20 for the 3570k, it's super easy to overclock, and it'll offer some more longevity.

16GB is your call, but remember you can always go with 8 and add more.

The wattage you estimated may be correct, but you probably want some more wiggle room. Do you plan on overclocking, adding another video card, any other expansions in the future? Take these into account, because a PSU is somewhat difficult to replace.

I know that the vertex Plus only allows SATA II, which is limited in transfer speeds compared to SATA III, which you can use with Vertex 3 or 4, the Samsung 840 series, etc. (Whether SATA III or II makes a big difference is a debate in and of itself)
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a c 113 B Homebuilt system
December 12, 2012 1:46:03 AM

Absolutely NO on the PSU, and you may need to postpone the SSD for a while.

What is the best site to use in your province? I know it varies....

Here is a decent list. Drop the SSD as needed

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3470 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ NCIX)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B75M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($69.99 @ Computer Valley)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($33.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Intel 330 Series 60GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($65.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition 1GB Video Card ($109.99 @ Canada Computers)
Case: Antec One ATX Mid Tower Case ($43.99 @ Computer Valley)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($49.99 @ NCIX)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($96.99 @ Computer Valley)
Total: $660.92
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-11 22:45 EST-0500)
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a c 113 B Homebuilt system
December 12, 2012 1:48:08 AM

miketmt69 said:
Thanks for the quick reply but you said nothing to actually help me. Like why do I not want that power supply when My computer is only 235 watts. Why do I not want 8 gb memory when I explained I would be using this computer for recording music and running msfs x with 5 other programs in the background running. for microsoft flight sim x. what is vertex. and if that board and psu is not good then which ones are that will fit into my budget thanks.


You should read the PSU guide linked in my sig.
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December 12, 2012 2:30:49 AM

Proximon
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition 1GB Video Card ($109.99 @ Canada Computers)
Why that videocard? for one it has to do either two dvi or dvi, vga and would like to able to do three monitors I know they will not all be able to be vga or dvi but the two I have are dvi, vga but have a vga to dvi connector. The reason I ask why is because I thought I read some where on this site that the geforce are way better than the radeon and I have to do some research but for some reason I think microsoft flight sim x likes geforce better but I have to look that one up.
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a b B Homebuilt system
December 12, 2012 2:32:12 AM

For what you describe, and your budget, an i3 or FX-6300 system may be more appropriate.
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December 12, 2012 2:34:29 AM

The whole Radeon vs. GeForce thing is a flawed comparison to begin with. At some levels, Radeon wins, GeForce at others. Even so, many people are particular about their brand. If you want the 650, get the 650. Otherwise, Toms articles are (seemingly) always about the best graphics cards.
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December 12, 2012 2:36:59 AM

samual not sure if you read my post fully but I have 600.00 to spend and am doing it a week before xmas which is when pcpartpicker says its best to buy. I already have a harddrive and a dvd so that takes off like 40-50 dollars right there, So that build you pointed out does not really help me but thanks
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December 12, 2012 2:41:18 AM

twelve25
proximon has already come up with a i5 solution that is only 60 more and I am almost positive that if I wait till couple days before xmas I will so really good sale. Well that what the pcpartpicker site says.

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a b B Homebuilt system
December 12, 2012 3:07:04 AM

$60 is exactly the difference between a i5 and an i3/fx6300. Just sayin'.

Not sure which parts could get much cheaper, honestly, looking at that build.
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December 12, 2012 1:56:03 PM

okay so with your suggestions this is what I have come up with tell me if it works and makes sense thanks.

PU Intel Core i5-3450 3.1GHz Quad-Core $188.85
Motherboard MSI Z77A-G41 ATX LGA1155 $69.99
Memory PNY Optima 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 $29.99
Storage A-Data Premier Pro SP900 64GB 2.5" SSD $61.99
Video Card EVGA GeForce GTX 650 1GB $104.99
Case Antec One ATX Mid Tower $43.99
Power Supply Thermaltake 600W ATX12V / EPS12V $44.99
Operating System Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) $96.99
for 641.78
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December 12, 2012 2:21:22 PM

twelve please quit trolling or whatever it is you are doing you have not given any help and your telling me that this computer is not going to be any cheaper when on pcpartpicker.com I see that all the parts have been cheaper on different days and also have read and checked that the best time to buy is during xmas on certain parts if I am not picky about brands which the only picky part is my i5 processor which I know will be cheaper. thanks for your input but telling me that everything is bad really not helping me or anyone else looking at this post for any answears
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December 12, 2012 2:25:56 PM

Proximon said:
You should read the PSU guide linked in my sig.


Here is the why on the power supply: Power supplies are the most important part of the computer. You want a reputable brand with headroom. If it isn’t 80+ certified and single rail stay away from it. I only buy power supplies from a few companies, Antec, Rosewill (select models only) Thermaltake, Corsair and Seasonic.

I have nothing against cheap power supplies, but certain cheap power supplies are going to blow up on you. Individual companies make good inexpensive supplies but some manufacturers are better than others.

Multi rail: This is a marketing scheme to make the power supply look better than it is. You can get a higher rating out of substandard components by placing them in parallel. This is how most power supply manufacturers build cheap 750 watt+ power supplies. Multi rail systems are prone to failure. If any of the rails fail, the rest of the load will be placed on the remaining rails and then they will fail. As rails fail, the wattage rating goes down. But you as a user can’t see that, the system still turns on. Sooner or later your MB is dead and you have no clue that your power supply has been degraded for six months.

Buy a single rail supply. Buy from a reputable manufacturer. Get at the very least an 80+ bronze rating. Get it modular and be prepared to spend a hundred or so on it.
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a b B Homebuilt system
December 12, 2012 2:31:01 PM

I am sorry I can't go along pretending you can get the system you want for under $600. You have to cut out the SSD or drop to a lower tier CPU. You already have heavily discounted parts in that build, supposed Christmas sales aren't going to change the price by 10%.

Consider that none of the "helpful" people have been able to meet your budget.





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December 12, 2012 2:41:33 PM

groundrat so I have choosen Power Supply Corsair 500W ATX12V $52.99

its not modular but really I feel modular is more of a convience than really a need. If I am wrong please tell me
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December 12, 2012 2:48:56 PM

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3470 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($149.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: MSI H61M-P31 (G3) Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($45.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Value Series 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($30.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Value Series 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($30.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: A-Data Premier Pro SP900 64GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7750 1GB Video Card ($78.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Silverstone PS08B (Black) MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($34.90 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($35.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $587.81
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-12 11:48 EST-0500)
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December 12, 2012 2:57:01 PM

and now I am really confused just read proximon psu guide and read the hard ocp article about 80 plus bronze and to be honest i really believe it due to the fact that companies do this all the time.
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December 12, 2012 2:59:24 PM

pingypoker thanks for the build and I wish i still lived in the states but im in canada.
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December 12, 2012 3:03:12 PM

twelve I do not remember seeing a build from you and helping me to be only 40 dollars over buget is not bad exspecially if you read my first post saying around 600 to 640 and people that did put up builds already said that I would probably have to get rid of ssd which I believe is a better trade off than slower cpu but again thanks for your negative input and not helping
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December 12, 2012 3:08:34 PM

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3470 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ NCIX)
Motherboard: MSI H61M-P31 (G3) Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($53.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Memory: G.Skill Value Series 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($30.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Memory: G.Skill Value Series 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($30.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: A-Data Premier Pro SP900 64GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($61.99 @ Computer Valley)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7750 1GB Video Card ($88.58 @ DirectCanada)
Case: Silverstone PS08B (Black) MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Memory Express)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($49.99 @ Canada Computers)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($96.99 @ Computer Valley)
Total: $643.50
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-12 12:07 EST-0500)

There. You just had to press 2 things to change it to Canada.
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December 12, 2012 3:32:55 PM

I have looked at your choices and find nothing glaringly wrong. Everyone can easily chime in on what, "I," would do. In answer to your specific questions and looking at the advice others have given I would like to make some points.

As far as choice of motherboard, you made one compatible with your processor choice. Bottom line is the price in this decision.

As far as case/power supply combo. It is, in my opinion the weakest choice in your decision matrix; that said, if it works, it works. The case is compatible with your board, bottom line. The power supply is adequate for your load on it, bottom line.

Be happy with your choices. I see no mistake that you made.
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December 12, 2012 3:39:58 PM

pingypoker Iknow that I was just saying that it would be more money. couple things with your build first of all the video card you suggest ask for a 500 watt power supply
from what proximons link in above message states. second I need a video card capable of dvi dvi, or dvi vga. This is because I have a dvi vga right now but also have a connector to make the vga dvi. but I think if I put in the same ram cause I dont need 16gbs (that is what others have said plus I can always upgrade. ) and put in the same video card as in my last build it should be good. And since I am stupid how do you post the pcpartpicker that way. thanks
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December 12, 2012 3:42:41 PM

pingypoker your cpu does not go with that motherboard said I would have to do a bios upgrade before installing
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December 12, 2012 3:50:57 PM

Thanks insightdriver really appreciate looking it over.
So unless anyone has some (oh that wont work your system wont even power up.) then this is the system and thanks to all even twelve25 (for letting me see how bad I am at picking computer parts)

CPU Intel Core i5-3450 3.1GHz Quad-Core $188.85
Motherboard MSI Z77A-G41 ATX LGA1155 $69.99
Memory PNY Optima 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 $29.99
Storage A-Data Premier Pro SP900 64GB 2.5" SSD $61.99
Video Card EVGA GeForce GTX 650 1GB $104.99
Case Antec One ATX Mid Tower $43.99
Power Supply Corsair 500W ATX12V $52.99
Operating System Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) $96.99
total 649
a bit out of my 600 mark so might have to loose the ssd and get one later. but otherwise this is the system thanks for all your input
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December 12, 2012 4:07:58 PM

oh and just for fun 640 to 600 is only 6 percent and yeah that is asking alot to go down but I have seen some huge sales at xmas time exspecially with the new windows just coming out. We will see.
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a c 113 B Homebuilt system
December 12, 2012 7:42:14 PM

I think you'll get it done :)  Be very careful about Thermaltake and Cooler Master PSUs. Almost any PSU they sell for under $100 will be junk. Check this database for competent reviews before buying any PSU, and you will look just like an expert:
http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/Page541.htm
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December 12, 2012 8:40:09 PM

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December 12, 2012 8:40:11 PM

thanks proximon I am shutting this down
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December 12, 2012 9:59:56 PM

miketmt69 said:
groundrat so I have choosen Power Supply Corsair 500W ATX12V $52.99

its not modular but really I feel modular is more of a convience than really a need. If I am wrong please tell me


That is an excellent choice!
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a c 113 B Homebuilt system
December 12, 2012 11:21:49 PM

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