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Okay so I am building a computer for xmas. My limit is 600.00 not including tax. but has to include shipping. I live in ottawa ontario canada. My main focus for this system is mainly media storage. and Microsoft Flight Simulator X which runs a lot of backup programs, for weather and maps,Vatsim online network, I also do a bit or guitar recording.
I curently have a 1 tb hardrive and a dvd rom. So these are the parts I picked from pcpartpicker. Date of purchase is week before xmas when everything is suppose to be cheaper that is why the 643.00 price tag hoping prices will drop if not I am going to go with small ssd drive. Really just want to put operating system and fsx and all addons on that drive.

CPU Intel Core i5-3570 3.4GHz Quad-Core $209.99
Motherboard MSI Z77A-G41 ATX LGA1155 $69.99
Memory Mushkin Silverline 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1333 $55.00
Storage OCZ Vertex Plus 60GB 2.5" SSD $66.99
Video Card MSI GeForce GTX 650 1GB $114.99
Case Logisys CS206BK ATX Mid Tower w/480W Power Supply $29.99
Operating System Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) $96.99
total 643.00
Thanks in advance for anyone helping its now crunch time. oh and I am pretty firm with the 600 to 640 but has to be 600 at time of buy thanks
 
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You don't want that power supply, 16GB is a waste, 8 is more than enough already. Z77 board is really only worth it for overclocking and your processor can't be overclocked. Vertex Plus is a pretty ancient model IIRC.

 
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Thanks for the quick reply but you said nothing to actually help me. Like why do I not want that power supply when My computer is only 235 watts. Why do I not want 8 gb memory when I explained I would be using this computer for recording music and running msfs x with 5 other programs in the background running. for microsoft flight sim x. what is vertex. and if that board and psu is not good then which ones are that will fit into my budget thanks.
 
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I'm with twelve about the board/processor thing. The board is meant for overclocking, and you have a locked processor. My suggestion is to keep the board, but spring $20 for the 3570k, it's super easy to overclock, and it'll offer some more longevity.

16GB is your call, but remember you can always go with 8 and add more.

The wattage you estimated may be correct, but you probably want some more wiggle room. Do you plan on overclocking, adding another video card, any other expansions in the future? Take these into account, because a PSU is somewhat difficult to replace.

I know that the vertex Plus only allows SATA II, which is limited in transfer speeds compared to SATA III, which you can use with Vertex 3 or 4, the Samsung 840 series, etc. (Whether SATA III or II makes a big difference is a debate in and of itself)
 
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Absolutely NO on the PSU, and you may need to postpone the SSD for a while.

What is the best site to use in your province? I know it varies....

Here is a decent list. Drop the SSD as needed

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3470 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ NCIX)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B75M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($69.99 @ Computer Valley)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($33.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Intel 330 Series 60GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($65.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition 1GB Video Card ($109.99 @ Canada Computers)
Case: Antec One ATX Mid Tower Case ($43.99 @ Computer Valley)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($49.99 @ NCIX)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($96.99 @ Computer Valley)
Total: $660.92
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-11 22:45 EST-0500)
 
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You should read the PSU guide linked in my sig.
 
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Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition 1GB Video Card ($109.99 @ Canada Computers)
Why that videocard? for one it has to do either two dvi or dvi, vga and would like to able to do three monitors I know they will not all be able to be vga or dvi but the two I have are dvi, vga but have a vga to dvi connector. The reason I ask why is because I thought I read some where on this site that the geforce are way better than the radeon and I have to do some research but for some reason I think microsoft flight sim x likes geforce better but I have to look that one up.
 
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The whole Radeon vs. GeForce thing is a flawed comparison to begin with. At some levels, Radeon wins, GeForce at others. Even so, many people are particular about their brand. If you want the 650, get the 650. Otherwise, Toms articles are (seemingly) always about the best graphics cards.
 
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samual not sure if you read my post fully but I have 600.00 to spend and am doing it a week before xmas which is when pcpartpicker says its best to buy. I already have a harddrive and a dvd so that takes off like 40-50 dollars right there, So that build you pointed out does not really help me but thanks
 
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proximon has already come up with a i5 solution that is only 60 more and I am almost positive that if I wait till couple days before xmas I will so really good sale. Well that what the pcpartpicker site says.

 
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okay so with your suggestions this is what I have come up with tell me if it works and makes sense thanks.

PU Intel Core i5-3450 3.1GHz Quad-Core $188.85
Motherboard MSI Z77A-G41 ATX LGA1155 $69.99
Memory PNY Optima 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 $29.99
Storage A-Data Premier Pro SP900 64GB 2.5" SSD $61.99
Video Card EVGA GeForce GTX 650 1GB $104.99
Case Antec One ATX Mid Tower $43.99
Power Supply Thermaltake 600W ATX12V / EPS12V $44.99
Operating System Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) $96.99
for 641.78
 
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twelve please quit trolling or whatever it is you are doing you have not given any help and your telling me that this computer is not going to be any cheaper when on pcpartpicker.com I see that all the parts have been cheaper on different days and also have read and checked that the best time to buy is during xmas on certain parts if I am not picky about brands which the only picky part is my i5 processor which I know will be cheaper. thanks for your input but telling me that everything is bad really not helping me or anyone else looking at this post for any answears
 
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Here is the why on the power supply: Power supplies are the most important part of the computer. You want a reputable brand with headroom. If it isn’t 80+ certified and single rail stay away from it. I only buy power supplies from a few companies, Antec, Rosewill (select models only) Thermaltake, Corsair and Seasonic.

I have nothing against cheap power supplies, but certain cheap power supplies are going to blow up on you. Individual companies make good inexpensive supplies but some manufacturers are better than others.

Multi rail: This is a marketing scheme to make the power supply look better than it is. You can get a higher rating out of substandard components by placing them in parallel. This is how most power supply manufacturers build cheap 750 watt+ power supplies. Multi rail systems are prone to failure. If any of the rails fail, the rest of the load will be placed on the remaining rails and then they will fail. As rails fail, the wattage rating goes down. But you as a user can’t see that, the system still turns on. Sooner or later your MB is dead and you have no clue that your power supply has been degraded for six months.

Buy a single rail supply. Buy from a reputable manufacturer. Get at the very least an 80+ bronze rating. Get it modular and be prepared to spend a hundred or so on it.
 
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I am sorry I can't go along pretending you can get the system you want for under $600. You have to cut out the SSD or drop to a lower tier CPU. You already have heavily discounted parts in that build, supposed Christmas sales aren't going to change the price by 10%.

Consider that none of the "helpful" people have been able to meet your budget.





 
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groundrat so I have choosen Power Supply Corsair 500W ATX12V $52.99

its not modular but really I feel modular is more of a convience than really a need. If I am wrong please tell me
 
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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3470 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($149.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: MSI H61M-P31 (G3) Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($45.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Value Series 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($30.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Value Series 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($30.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: A-Data Premier Pro SP900 64GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7750 1GB Video Card ($78.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Silverstone PS08B (Black) MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($34.90 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($35.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $587.81
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-12 11:48 EST-0500)
 
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and now I am really confused just read proximon psu guide and read the hard ocp article about 80 plus bronze and to be honest i really believe it due to the fact that companies do this all the time.
 
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twelve I do not remember seeing a build from you and helping me to be only 40 dollars over buget is not bad exspecially if you read my first post saying around 600 to 640 and people that did put up builds already said that I would probably have to get rid of ssd which I believe is a better trade off than slower cpu but again thanks for your negative input and not helping
 
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CPU: Intel Core i5-3470 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ NCIX)
Motherboard: MSI H61M-P31 (G3) Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($53.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Memory: G.Skill Value Series 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($30.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Memory: G.Skill Value Series 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($30.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: A-Data Premier Pro SP900 64GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($61.99 @ Computer Valley)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7750 1GB Video Card ($88.58 @ DirectCanada)
Case: Silverstone PS08B (Black) MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Memory Express)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($49.99 @ Canada Computers)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($96.99 @ Computer Valley)
Total: $643.50
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-12 12:07 EST-0500)

There. You just had to press 2 things to change it to Canada.
 
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