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October 24, 2012 5:51:59 AM

Hey guys
I'm looking for advice on what GPU to get for the best performance of BF3, GTA IV, aswell as 3DS Max (nothing too intense).
My budget is under $200 dollars as i'm getting other parts along with it (SSD, and a new monitor) so i want to be able to push out a HD res without any problems (hopefully).

SPECS:

AMD Phenom II X4 B50 3.10GHZ w/ Thermaltake 2 Cpu cooler
4GB DDR2 800MHZ memory
GA-MA785G-UD3H mobo
XFX ATI HD5750
x3 WD 500GB Sata II drives
OCZ 650WATT powersupply

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This PC was built late 2009 as an entry level, but still runs OK with BF3 on medium.

These are the cards im considering:


Gigabyte GTX550 DDR5 1GB HDMI/DVI
Internet Price: $115.00


Asus GF GTX650 DirectCU Edition PCI-E 3.0 1GB 192-bit DDR5
Internet Price: $136.50


Asus ATI HD7770 DirectCU PCI-E 3.0, 1GB 128-bit GDDR5,DVI-I,HDMI,2xMini DP
Internet Price: $143.00

Any suggestions are appreciated,
Cheers.
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a b U Graphics card
October 24, 2012 8:39:30 AM

Oh, you're a fellow Aussie.

I use Umart from Brisbane or PC Case Gear from Melbourne. (I'm in North Queensland)

http://www.umart.com.au/newindex2.phtml?bid=2

http://pccasegear.com/

Check them out and compare their prices. Sometimes they have good sales.

(I only quoted Newegg since most people on the forum are from overseas). Hope this helps.
October 24, 2012 10:54:31 AM

nevillethedevil said:
Hey guys
I'm looking for advice on what GPU to get for the best performance of BF3, GTA IV, aswell as 3DS Max (nothing too intense).
My budget is under $200 dollars as i'm getting other parts along with it (SSD, and a new monitor) so i want to be able to push out a HD res without any problems (hopefully).


Be nice to your self and get a GTX 660. It really is the best value card on the market at the moment.

I am a Radeon owner, but if I'm honest with myself and you, NVidia are winning at the moment, and it would be insanity to buy anything other than the GTX 660. You wont regret it. Just take a look at some benchmarks.

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_geforce_gtx_66...
a b U Graphics card
October 24, 2012 11:33:45 AM

Yes, I agree that the 660 is much better however, here in Australia, the cheapest I can find are about $250 which is a fair bit above the budget given.

http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_listnew.phtml?id=1...

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...

If you save on the monitor and SSD then maybe you can stretch to the 660. How do these sound?

SSD
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...

Monitor (I am using 2 of these right now and I am very happy)
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...

You can get these shipped from Melbourne.
October 24, 2012 11:59:54 AM

@Jay-Z Yep built my computer from parts from umart, not bad service. Pretty much buy all my stuff from them haha. For the SSD and Monitor I'm thinking of going with:

Corsair Force Series 3 120GB SSD
Internet Price: $109.00

(They also sell the exact same Samsung range on umart for $99)


Dell 23" S2330MX Ultra-Slim LED Monitor - 1920x1080, 2ms (GTG), 1x VGA, 1x DVI (With DVI-HDMI
Internet Price: $149.00

^^ The reviews on Umart for both of those seem pretty good, i wouldnt mind some feedback on the Dell monitor, cause ive never brought or owned one before.

@Ricky
As much as i want one of those cards, its out of my price limit as it is a fairly cheap upgrade. Any advice on the 550's?
a b U Graphics card
October 24, 2012 12:33:35 PM

Nice, so far every part of my PC has come from Umart (my username is JZ so if you see a review, that is me!).

The Corsair SSD is fine and the monitor looks good to. I have seen a few people running BF3 off of a 550 ti at lower settings and it seems to work OK from what I can see. Here's a video of someone doing just that albeit at a lower resolution:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3wop2CCX3c

And for GTA IV

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0JzyRSDgDc&feature=fvwr...
October 24, 2012 12:37:52 PM

Save up another $50 and get the 660. That's my advice :)  It's basically the best VFM NVidia chipset out there.

Also I think You might be able to find one for less than $250, I saw one for $219 :p 

There's a thing called false economy you know....

Not to sound obnoxious, I'm just trying to urge you to make a wise move. Brand new tech, great FPS/$, awesome SLI scaling (for future expansion).

On another note those Corsair F3's are great, I'm using one on a work computer (this comp ;) , just make sure you enable AHCI mode before installing your OS. They are cheap but hi-quality and fast.
October 24, 2012 12:42:37 PM

Oh no wait, the $219 was a US website.
October 24, 2012 12:58:17 PM

OK - so 660 is out of the price range. Next best thing?:

http://www.shoppingexpress.com.au/buy/powercolor-amd-ra...

Pretty good spec for the $....

I'm not from AUS, so I don't know about shoppingexpress.com

TBH, I think you're best bet might well be the GTX650 you posted in the sticky. For that price, I can't suggest/find anything better.
October 24, 2012 2:08:11 PM

You really should try to get a 7850 I feel like you might be disappointed in performance of 650 for the kind of games you want to play. But I know your limited by price.

Have you considered trying to sell you old card to raise a little more money?
October 24, 2012 2:17:55 PM

Personally just from a gaming perspective I'd skip the SSD for now & put that money towards a better gpu if you really want to run BF3 & be more than happy with the performance. Then start saving up towards an SSD to get later down the line, unless you really need it now.
October 24, 2012 2:21:42 PM

He's right. I have two comps at work with SSDs and they are great, but my at home PC is just using a 7200RPM SATAII drive, and yeah - stuff can take a few seconds longer to load, but once they have loaded there is not noticable difference.

If you are using OEM Windows, you will be allowed to swap the HDD in the future without voiding your license, so that is not a worry.

I real terms your Frames Per Second is more immediately important than loading times.
October 25, 2012 1:18:17 PM

Thanks for all the responses guys, But i will be still getting an SSD.
I have a question about crossfire compatibility,

If i was to crossfire two different brand cards (XFX HD5750 plus Gigabyte HD5750) but make sure they were clocked at the same speeds, would i notice the same sort of performance difference from upgrading to say one 650 or 5770?

Thanks again guys.
October 25, 2012 1:28:46 PM

Well for starters the 5770 isn't much faster than the 5750.

You can crossfire different brands of cards, in some cases you can crossfire slightly different models. But they will always run at the clock speed of the slower card.

The problem is with crossfire, especially in the 5 series and older, the scaling isn't very good. Expect anything from nothing (no performance boost) to 80-90% in a couple of rare cases (Metro 2033 likes XFire a lot for some strange reason.

I think that one GTX 650 is faster than either a 5750 or a 5770. Infact one 650 is probably as fast as two 5770's in most apps.
October 25, 2012 1:42:22 PM

RickyT23 said:
Well for starters the 5770 isn't much faster than the 5750.

You can crossfire different brands of cards, in some cases you can crossfire slightly different models. But they will always run at the clock speed of the slower card.

The problem is with crossfire, especially in the 5 series and older, the scaling isn't very good. Expect anything from nothing (no performance boost) to 80-90% in a couple of rare cases (Metro 2033 likes XFire a lot for some strange reason.

I think that one GTX 650 is faster than either a 5750 or a 5770. Infact one 650 is probably as fast as two 5770's in most apps.



Ok so im thinking of going with this one:

Gigabyte GF GTX 650 OC EDITION PCI-E 3.0 1GB 128-bit DDR5, 1110/5000MHz, 2 x DVI, 1 x HDMI, 1 x
Internet Price: $130.00

Do you think it will perform well with the newer games more-so than my 5750? (speaking as in a noticeable difference)

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October 25, 2012 2:03:08 PM
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3dMark Vantage

5750 P score 8512
GTX 650 P score 13553

Your card is overclocked so more like 14000 or something.

I mean that's a pretty good indication of the speed in games.

The 650 is almost twice as fast :) 
October 25, 2012 2:18:02 PM

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October 25, 2012 2:18:46 PM

RickyT23 said:
3dMark Vantage

5750 P score 8512
GTX 650 P score 13553

Your card is overclocked so more like 14000 or something.

I mean that's a pretty good indication of the speed in games.

The 650 is almost twice as fast :) 


Thanks for the help mate, i think i'll go with the 650.
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