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hi can you guys suggest a build for a A10-5800K please at a maximum of £450 i do not require a monitor and i will be gaming at 1680x1050 i can overclock aswell OS is required
 
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Well just put one together yourself and we will evaluate it. I recommend getting 2x4GB of ram at 1866 MHz or faster, and a matx HTPC case with a built in powersupply. Then just figure out the rest lol.
 
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The CPU, Mobo, and HDD choice are good.

- However this is an APU which relies on system ram if you use 1866 MHz or higher ram it will greatly increase performance.

-The case and psu are mega overkill for such a budget build.

-Take advantage of the matx mobo and the APU's small size, and get a slim matx case for ~$40 that comes with a PSU.

The things I recommended will increase performance, reduce the size of the PC, and most importantly reduce the price quite a bit.
 
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http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-327-AM&groupid=701&catid=1967&subcat=1946 CPU
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-221-MS&groupid=701&catid=1903&subcat=2399 MOBO
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HS-035-CM&groupid=701&catid=2330&subcat=2341 CPU cooler
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-348-WD&groupid=1657&catid=1660&subcat= HDD
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-052-XG&groupid=701&catid=123&subcat= PSU
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-076-PA&groupid=701&catid=8&subcat=1387 RAM
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-009-IW&groupid=2362&catid=2278&subcat= Case
 
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Don't use the psu with the case unless you wanna blow it up. I know you want a A10-5800k you can get alot more performance for the same price if you get a dedicated card.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks
CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£69.55 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: ASRock 960GM/U3S3 FX Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard (£43.23 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Corsair XMS3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£33.00 @ CCL Computers) Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£54.91 @ CCL Computers)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 6870 1GB Video Card (£118.96 @ CCL Computers)
Case: Cooler Master Elite 335 Upgraded ATX Mid Tower Case (£32.87 @ Scan.co.uk)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply (£35.32 @ Scan.co.uk)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS90 DVD/CD Writer (£13.98 @ Novatech) Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) (£67.80 @ CCL Computers) Total: £469.62 (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.) (Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-13 17:55 GMT+0000)

The cpu has L3 cash unlike the APU and is just better. The main thing that makes this better is the GPU.... The HD 6870 is so much better than the integrated its not even funny. The A10-5800k you will be able to play low settings. This will give you max on most games.
 
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1) Newegg links will be of limited value to someone specifying GBP.
2) Most PSUs that come in cases are cheap Chinese junk which are unfit for purpose.
3) The 430W Seasonic is not overkill. It provides sufficient headroom to add a modest discrete graphics card, which may be required for better settings and performance at 1680x1050.
I know prices vary in the UK, but in the US, the Xigmatek Gaia is only $20, but cools to within a degree of the CM, which is $35. The Gaia is also 6db quieter; these results per Frostytech.com.
 
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You really have to wonder why you would spend
$120 on APU
$30 on cooler
$45 on 8GB of 1866 shared RAM
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$195 total


When you can spend
$75 on Pentium 860 (use included cooler)
$60 on 6670
$35 on 8GB 1333 unshared RAM
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$170 total (155 if you only get 4GB)

The result is actually superior performance for the 6670 and Intel setup.

The only benefit the A10 holds is when overclocking, and it will need to to catch the Intel CPU.... Furthurmore, the dedicated 6670 can be overclocked separately and will probably win in the end due to not having so much heat in the same place.

I am not doubting the value of the A10, but the concept of buying all of this extra stuff to overclock it mya very well push it to where you would be better off with the separate cpu/gpu path.
 
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Agreed!!!! but i think he could afford atleast a HD 7770 in his budget witch would stomp on the APU. @OP check out my above build for a really good option.
 
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PSU's that come with cases are not always junk. PEOPLE! Just do your research! Many slimline cases have decent ~200w PSU's in them. As long as the reviews state they work, they work! We are talking about APU too! Not some 7970 here.

Getting a case like this WILL make the APU build the cheapest:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811154062


APU builds are often as costly as normal budget builds since people like you give a cpu WITH BUILT IN GRAPHICS a PSU that twice as strong as it needs to be.

Also to all other people claiming some pentium is better: Don't make me laugh! Pentiums are good for minimum budget builds but this APU trades blows with an i3-2100 which is quite stronger.


Otherwise a budget build is probably more sensible in all honesty. But it WILL cost more (Unless you are an idiot and get a big case and 80+ Bronze PSU for a 100w APU lol).
 
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The APU's are about as strong as Athlon x4 but with better IGP. A sandy bridge pentium (G850,G860,G870) WILL absolutely destroy the apu in games using the same video card.
 
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The recent APU's are piledriver based which is stronger than the previous Llano APU's.

Also those Athlons and Llano APU's you mentioned are as strong as the pentiums:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-overclock,3106-5.html



A dual core Pentium WILL NOT destroy anything! They are great bottom of the barrel CPU's for $400 builds. But don't kid yourself, it is still a dual core pentium. Here is proof:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6347/amd-a10-5800k-a8-5600k-review-trinity-on-the-desktop-part-2/2

In single threaded it barely loses to the Pentium while in multi-threaded it even beats the newest i3 with hyperthreading while completely trouncing the pentium.

P.S. Do your research fanboys!
 
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It destroys the apu's in games. Heck, the g2120 ivy bridge pentium will beat the fx4170 in most games! I'm not talking about multithreaded editing software and such, just games.
 
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Did you even look at the links? The first one is of the gaming CPU hierarchy. The old APU's are on the same tier as the pentiums, and the new ones are about the same as a 4300 which is one tier below the i3's.

The second link shows the A10-5800k at about the same (Within 5%) as the pentium in single-threaded performance. It then blows it away when multiplie cores are used like how Far Cry 3, BF3, Crysis, Crysis 2, and literally EVERY other game made now utilizes up to 4 or more cores.

Then keep in mind the A10 can overclock quite a bit which would put it right there with the i3's in single threaded performance and again beat the sh!t out of them in multi-threaded.

Also a G2120 beating an overclocked FX-4170? Hell you have to be an idiot to think that EVER.
 
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Yeah but with the pentium you are able to get a dedicated card. Pentium + Dedicated card sounds alot better than an APU. And remember we are getting a dual core sandy at 3ghz. It performs alot better on a clock per clock basis than pile driver and bulldozer. Crysis 1 and 2 both have recommended requirements of a dual core. They do not need a quad. If you are going to have a dedicated card, at the $100-$120 price point i would definitively get a Ivy Bridge i3.
 
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Again: Are you reading anything I said?

I said "It would probably be more sensible to make a budget build (Non-APU)." No where do I say the 7660D will beat a $100 discreet card.

I am simply saying an APU build IS slightly cheaper and offers less power use and a smaller form factor.

Also an A10-5800k IS quite stronger than a pentium, but overall the same strength as an i3.
 
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This build costs only $387 and will run any game he wants at his resolution. Yes a $450 pentium+7750 build will beat this but it will cost more and be twice as big. This build will also be better at ANYTHING else since it has a stronger cpuIf he wants a minimum happy gaming build this IS it!

Down the road he can add an 8750 or possibly even an 8770 to get a massive performance boost while again having a more future-proof CPU. OP if you want the cheapest gaming build possible, make this. Otherwise spend an extra $100 and make a Phenom II/ Pentium + 7770 build. I don't know how this compares to your British pounds budget, but I know this should be at or under it, so your decision.

With this, this is all I have to say. Many people here don't know what they are talking about and keep saying stupid things with no truth to them. I am bored with this thread. Good luck! ;)
 
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CPU: AMD FX-4300 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor (£89.40 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: MSI 760GM-P21 (FX) Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard (£29.71 @ Scan.co.uk)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1333 Memory (£26.51 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£40.20 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card (£140.14 @ Scan.co.uk)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 MicroATX Mini Tower Case (£31.99 @ Dabs)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply (£35.32 @ Scan.co.uk)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) (£65.99 @ Aria PC)
Total: £459.26
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-14 00:21 GMT+0000)
 
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Please stop with the fanboi.
The A10 is a very useful processor, but the pentium 860 is the value-gaming champion.

The A10 has 4 integer cores and 2 fpus. (it is indeed a 4300, with a 6670 using the DDR3 in your system tacked on)

The pentium has 2 integer cores and 2 fpus.
The pentium cores (especially the fpu) score better on a core-for-core basis.

Any application which uses more than 4 integer cores will actually run better on the A10.
Any application which uses fpu, the Pentium will win.

Sadly most games are FPU-intensive and thus the Pentium is going to actually be better in many cases as it has the SAME amount of FPU, and its FPU are better by a significant margin. Unless you stand there with a stopwatch having fun with how fast your winzip works, the Pentium is the better choice so you can spend more on the GPU.
The concept above was a simply building a cheaper system that will indeed outperform the A10 unless you are amazingly lucky with your OC. And this will only last as long as the pentium system doesn't OC their discrete video card with their much more tolerant dedicated video ram.

If I take the build above and drop to 4GB 1333, Pentium G860 and match it with a $100 video card (same price as the A10+overclocking doodads) do you think the A10 will even begin to compete? No... no one is that crazy.

The point was... spend $x and get $y. My point was that spending all the extra on widgets to overclock an a10 defeats the purpose of the chip.

I like the A10, its a wonderful chip that serves a real purpose. People are just trying to make it into something that it is not the best choice for at this time.
 
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It's like you can't read what I am saying. Let me just break it down for you third grade readers:

-The A10 overclocked even a little is better than the G860 single and especially multi-threaded
-The CPU's power increase WILL help in CPU intensive games but overall will mostly just make multi-tasking easier
-Neither the Gxxx or the A10 will have a noticeable gaming performance win over each other most of the time.
-The RAM "Overclocking doodads" (Most here call it ram) costs $20 which is the SAME as 1600 (Maybe $2 more). NO ADDED COST!
-I never said the APU build is a stronger gaming build than a Gxxx + 7750 (I wouldn't bother below that card).
-The APU build IS cheaper if you would just do the math and follow my build!
-At the price I attained ($387), there is no cheaper build out there that will game as well while also allowing a cheap upgrade path.

-I have said several times that I would just make a $450-$500 budget build instead! (And the OP clearly can afford it so hint hint)
-Again though, if the OP wants to spend the absolute minimum while still gaming well, my APU build IS the way to go. Plus the benefits of using less power than most game consoles and taking up as much space as one.


One last time everyone: I recommend a $450 budget build as an alternative since it would be a lot stronger. However this APU build I made has some definite benefits over a pricier build, and I challenge all of you to make a better performing build for less money (Rebates don't count since I didn't list them). Oh and don't put a G530 and $10 PSU and try to say it will last as long as the A10 lol.


P.S. What fanboy am I lol? I own an i5 and I love it! Bulldozer was god awful. Happy?
 
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You don't buy an apu for the CPU performance. You buy it for the CPU+GPU combo. If you are gonna use a dedicated card than for $130 you can get a i3 wich is way better than any apu. Comparing the CPU performance of the Pentium and 5800k is just dumb and irrelevant. Even then the a10 has a low IPC and has no l3 cache. Its basically a athlon ii x4.
 
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